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Man Who Filmed Cop Choking Eric Garner Was Indicted (Video).....

Orta doesn't look to me like a momma's boy, so how does his mother know the police have been following her baby all this time? Another mother who takes as gospel every word her precious baby tells her.

Baby boy is getting his 15 minutes in the sun. We'll see if there's any truth to the charge when it gets to court. Hoping to sway the jury by claiming a police frame job is a time honoured defense in America.
You're probably right, he's probably not a mams's boy. I also doubt they were following him around. But, once they did catch him for something, and realized who he is, I'm sure their attitudes toward him hardened beyond just any other petty criminal.
 
His wife is getting it too. She got arrested for allegedly slapping somebody at a grocery store... People who make the NYPD look bad don't last long.

That crime has a victim..... But of course, its just police harassment :roll
 
So you think it's coincidence that a person who took a video of the NYPD choking a man - would get arrested soon after? You also think it's coincidental that his wife was arrested after?

If she goes slapping people in the grocery store... yes.

VICTIMS Hatuey, VICTIMS.
 
I am furious!!!



It was NOT A FATAL CHOKEHOLD!!! The media makes me ill.

That is correct.

If the chokehold was fatal... he would have died on scene.

He didn't die on scene.

Therefore... the chokehold was not fatal.

What was fatal, was the struggle the fat man dealt with (of his own choosing) combined with his poor health.
 
That is correct.

If the chokehold was fatal... he would have died on scene.

He didn't die on scene.

Therefore... the chokehold was not fatal.

What was fatal, was the struggle the fat man dealt with (of his own choosing) combined with his poor health.
How does that jive with this?
From earlier this year:
"Monday’s death of President Ronald Reagan’s press secretary James S. Brady has been ruled a homicide resulting from the gunshot wound he suffered in the assassination attempt on Reagan in 1981, more than three decades ago."

Medical examiner rules James Brady

Are we hypocrites? Either a previous action is or can be a cause of death, or it cannot. We cannot have it both ways.
 
How does that jive with this?


Are we hypocrites? Either a previous action is or can be a cause of death, or it cannot. We cannot have it both ways.

Your not getting what I am saying.

The COMBINATION of the struggle, not just the one maneuver, was the result of Eric Garner's death. It was NOT the mere use of a particular hold that killed him.
His body's reaction to the struggle AS A WHOLE (not just one move) was the result of his death.

Him claiming "I can't breathe" over and over, was a good indication that he could, indeed breathe. But his body couldn't put up with the struggle/pressure.

If he would have just went limp when the officers moved in to arrest him after his initial resistance, he would be alive.
 
Is it difficult for you to understand how he might not be a fan of the cops?

It is about the same thing as why an Afghani might not be a fan of the US after his village, including friends and family, is droned by the US.

Not rocket science, just predictable human behavior.

The cops are protectors of the status quo, and the status quo is pretty damn rotten from the perspective of young black and latino men in most cities in the US.
He has 20-something priors. I know why he isn't a fan of the cops, he keeps getting caught!
 
And his wife who supposedly slapped someone? That one fails Occam's razor

Yeah, it does, and the simplest explanation that is most likely is that the long time criminal husband didn't marry some law abiding peaceful wife.
 
I posted repeatedly that the GJ there indicted all but 3 out of over 250,000 cases brought before it in a 5 year period.

Which meant the same bit of nothing every time you posted it considering you don't seem to understand why some cases are brought before the grand jury and some aren't.
 
Your not getting what I am saying.

The COMBINATION of the struggle, not just the one maneuver, was the result of Eric Garner's death. It was NOT the mere use of a particular hold that killed him.
His body's reaction to the struggle AS A WHOLE (not just one move) was the result of his death.

Him claiming "I can't breathe" over and over, was a good indication that he could, indeed breathe. But his body couldn't put up with the struggle/pressure.

If he would have just went limp when the officers moved in to arrest him after his initial resistance, he would be alive.
Ok, I partially misunderstood you. Yes, his weight and (lack of) fitness were indeed factors. But, it's pretty damn unlikely that a death or near-death event would have ever happened without the chokehold. Still to suggest he died from anything else is ignoring the elephant in the room.

We prosecute drunk drivers even though they have not harmed or killed anybody yet (and statistically probably never will).

We prosecute people who pull the plug on their terminally ill spouses even though the spouse is going to die shortly anyway, possibly even within a matter of hours or days.
 
This makes me ****ing sick. The police will do anything to punish those that prove they did wrongdoing. Example: Remember when many police departments made it illegal to film police officers while on duty? The cops will try everything to punish those who prove police misconduct/brutality.
 
Don't cross that blue line.

Yes, because possible retribution of State against those reporting against potential abuse is a good thing.
 
Ok, I partially misunderstood you. Yes, his weight and (lack of) fitness were indeed factors. But, it's pretty damn unlikely that a death or near-death event would have ever happened without the chokehold. Still to suggest he died from anything else is ignoring the elephant in the room.

We prosecute drunk drivers even though they have not harmed or killed anybody yet (and statistically probably never will).

We prosecute people who pull the plug on their terminally ill spouses even though the spouse is going to die shortly anyway, possibly even within a matter of hours or days.

The chokehold is just media distraction.

The death was caused by the officers putting pressure on him while he was on the ground. Everyone likes to ignore the factors given by the coroner outside of the first line. The corner's report makes his obvious that it was a combination of factors, not the one. Take away some of those factors and you probably wouldn't have had a death.

The pressure the officers put on him while he was laying prone was what most likely killed him combined with his medical issues.

I think you have it all wrong..... to suggest he died as a result of a choke hold put on him, with him still being able to breathe mind you, and ignoring the pressure of the officers on his back and his struggle to resist them is "ignoring the elephant in the room".

He was still capable of breathing....

If you disagree.... stop breathing, start doing push ups (to stimulate his physical struggle) and start saying "I can't breathe" every few seconds (not repetitively) and don't breathe once. Do this for 1 minute. See how long that lasts.
 
This makes me ****ing sick. The police will do anything to punish those that prove they did wrongdoing. Example: Remember when many police departments made it illegal to film police officers while on duty? The cops will try everything to punish those who prove police misconduct/brutality.

What makes me sick is your willingness to believe a criminal at his word when he is speaking out against police officers.

As if criminal scum don't lie.
 
What makes me sick is your willingness to believe a criminal at his word when he is speaking out against police officers.

As if criminal scum don't lie.

How libertarian of you
 
The chokehold is just media distraction.

The death was caused by the officers putting pressure on him while he was on the ground. Everyone likes to ignore the factors given by the coroner outside of the first line. The corner's report makes his obvious that it was a combination of factors, not the one. Take away some of those factors and you probably wouldn't have had a death.

The pressure the officers put on him while he was laying prone was what most likely killed him combined with his medical issues.

I think you have it all wrong..... to suggest he died as a result of a choke hold put on him, with him still being able to breathe mind you, and ignoring the pressure of the officers on his back and his struggle to resist them is "ignoring the elephant in the room".

He was still capable of breathing....

If you disagree.... stop breathing, start doing push ups (to stimulate his physical struggle) and start saying "I can't breathe" every few seconds (not repetitively) and don't breathe once. Do this for 1 minute. See how long that lasts.
Let me rephrase it, then... he died due to the officers' actions. Fair enough.
 
You're probably right, he's probably not a mams's boy. I also doubt they were following him around. But, once they did catch him for something, and realized who he is, I'm sure their attitudes toward him hardened beyond just any other petty criminal.

I can believe that completely. No matter the profession, if someone from the outside tries to make someone on the inside look bad and cause trouble for them, the pack mentality can take over and any slack that may have been offered to anyone else would go out the window for this guy. I don't think that's right, but it's human nature.
 
Selling loosies, tagging, rolling bones in the alley, etc. It's all small stuff. Nobody should hassle with it.

Except that it never ends there.

One day someone gets pissed someone moved in on "their" territory and throws a punch. The "victim" comes back with a motorcycle chain. Next thing you know there's a gun, sad as it seems, little Suzy who was just playing on her doorstep gets an "accidental" bullet in her head.

You can't just let "the small stuff" go. All that does is set a precedent for bigger stuff.

That dear sir is some good wisdom that was passed on. Glad to have been the first one to like that.

Breaking the law is breaking the law, whether minor or big, it can't be passed.

People shouldn't be let free just because the law they broke was "minor."
 
Gotta love New York. I'm sure selling cigarettes there would be a capital offense. I think this is a good example of the pitfalls of a nanny state, a way over reaction to something so minor as selling smokes.

I live in a far bigger "nanny state" than NYC and we dont have this issue.
 
The guy is a scum bag - no doubt. The NYPD has enough problems though, and I'm not anxious to see them compound those problems.

So they shouldn't have arrested the felon carrying a weapon because of how people might take it? I would prefer the felon is off the streets myself.
 
Is it difficult for you to understand how he might not be a fan of the cops?

It is about the same thing as why an Afghani might not be a fan of the US after his village, including friends and family, is droned by the US.

Not rocket science, just predictable human behavior.

The cops are protectors of the status quo, and the status quo is pretty damn rotten from the perspective of young black and latino men in most cities in the US.

I bet the young black men who don't commit any crimes don't like being profiled, but you know what? They don't go to jail because they aren't committing a crime. This man is a criminal and he got caught. How many criminals shout Harrassment! whenever they are approached by the police? I don't care if they were following him. He is a felon who had a weapon on him. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go straight to jail.
 
I bet the young black men who don't commit any crimes don't like being profiled, but you know what? They don't go to jail because they aren't committing a crime. This man is a criminal and he got caught. How many criminals shout Harrassment! whenever they are approached by the police? I don't care if they were following him. He is a felon who had a weapon on him. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go straight to jail.

We Americans loves our police state, don't we....

That is to be expected in a society that institutionalizes torture.
 
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