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Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Finger

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X Factor said:
Actually no. I don't think someone is a moron or unintelligent for their religious beliefs. Obviously I understand taking things on faith.
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Not what he said, which is a pretty consistent theme for you in this thread.
 
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X Factor said:
Actually no. I don't think someone is a moron or unintelligent for their religious beliefs. Obviously I understand taking things on faith.
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There's taking something "on faith" and there's willfully clinging to something that is provably false. The Earth isn't flat, and if someone believes otherwise they aren't faithful, they're wrong.
 
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Cardinal said:
Not what he said, which is a pretty consistent theme for you in this thread.
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He didn't ask me if I'd think someone was dumb if they believed the earth to be flat on religious grounds?
 
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X Factor said:
He didn't ask me if I'd think someone was dumb if they believed the earth to be flat on religious grounds?
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Do you believe someone is dumb for believing the earth is flat for religious reasons? If your answer doesn't contain the "believing the earth is flat" part then you're not answering the question.
 
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X Factor said:
He didn't ask me if I'd think someone was dumb if they believed the earth to be flat on religious grounds?
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Your response was intentionally vague. Over and over in this thread, you are willfully deceptive. Your God would be ashamed.
 
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X Factor said:
No offense taken, I actually appreciate the straight reply. What's funny is people saying, "not all Christians are idiots, just the ones who believe God is the creator."
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No one is saying that. What everyone, including myself, is arguing is that creationists are ignorant. Most Christian denominations are not literal creationists, they instead accept theistic evolution which basically means that evolution is how all life, including us humans, came to exist. However, evolution from a theistic perspective argues that evolution is a natural law (which it is), just like gravity, or any other law that governs the physical universe, and all those laws are products of God.

You have been quite obtuse relative to your own beliefs, are you a creationist, or do you accept theistic evolution, or are not religious at all and simply accept evolution?
 
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While I am at it, earlier in the thread there was a comparison made between being a creationist and the belief in events such as the virgin birth or the resurrection. That is a highly flawed comparison.

Let's look at the case of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ: There is no physical evidence at all to support the event the resurrection ever occurred. However, at the same time, there is no evidence against it ever occurring other than the fact that if it did occur it would have had to be a miraculous event as it would violate known physical laws. Thus in the end, the belief in the resurrection is purely a question of faith.

Now, lets look creationism. In the case of creationism, not only is there not one shred of physical evidence supporting the notion, there is mountains of empirical evidence that clearly demonstrates creationism is pure myth. Your genome, the fossil record, the age of the earth, laws of physics and chemistry, basically all of modern science disproves the notion of creationism. So a belief in literal creationism is not just a question of faith, it is the height of ignorance.
 
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Personally, I think, if ancient mankind had the ability to record events with a deeper understanding in physics, language and had the freedoms to do so, it would be much easier today to reconcile religious history and science. In fact, one could possibly compliment the other.

There is a lot of ancient history recorded with poetic license. Analogies given, for lack of understanding, seemed to be an effective means to communicate back then. How could they explain even if they did know the scientific terminology? The people wouldn't have understood.

Then, as we evolved as a species, we learned the planet was round, among a plethora of other factual tid-bits, and that put religion in a suspicious light.

Sometime, in our distant past, something phenomenal happened. The people called it miracles and gods. They were primitive, at best. They did the best they could.

I think it could all be explained, and eventually might be, using fact and specifics. And if that day ever happened, I am reasonably certain that what we call "God," was not at all what we conceived "Him," to be.
 
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Captain America said:
Personally, I think, if ancient mankind had the ability to record events with a deeper understanding in physics, language and had the freedoms to do so, it would be much easier today to reconcile religious history and science. In fact, one could possibly compliment the other.

There is a lot of ancient history recorded with poetic license. Analogies given, for lack of understanding, seemed to be an effective means to communicate back then. How could they explain even if they did know the scientific terminology? The people wouldn't have understood.

Then, as we evolved as a species, we learned the planet was round, among a plethora of other factual tid-bits, and that put religion in a suspicious light.

Sometime, in our distant past, something phenomenal happened. The people called it miracles and gods. They were primitive, at best. They did the best they could.

I think it could all be explained, and eventually might be, using fact and specifics. And if that day ever happened, I am reasonably certain that what we call "God," was not at all what we conceived "Him," to be.
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If I were God, and I were trying to give a set of new rules to a bunch of squabbling apes I'd made, I'd probably skip the whole bits about nuclear fusion and gravitational formation of planets and DNA changing over billions of years. Because they're basically just apes, killing each other with pointy sticks. They're not going to understand what the hell I'm talking about, and the more important part is stop poking each other with the pointy sticks already. So I'd use metaphors. They'll get that, and figure out the rest on their own.

Trouble is, the apes have figured out more of the actual details now but some of them can't get away from the metaphors. Oh well. Free will and all.
 
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whysoserious said:
Well, yeah, expressing views that ask questions that have long since been answered. He asked why there are still monkeys... that's a stupid question. He should read about evolution before he opens his damn mouth on the subject.s
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Deuce said:
If I were God, and I were trying to give a set of new rules to a bunch of squabbling apes I'd made, I'd probably skip the whole bits about nuclear fusion and gravitational formation of planets and DNA changing over billions of years. Because they're basically just apes, killing each other with pointy sticks. They're not going to understand what the hell I'm talking about, and the more important part is stop poking each other with the pointy sticks already. So I'd use metaphors. They'll get that, and figure out the rest on their own.

Trouble is, the apes have figured out more of the actual details now but some of them can't get away from the metaphors. Oh well. Free will and all.
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Is it possible we have eaten from the tree of knowledge? We were warned against that, ya know.
 
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I've got no issue with anyone having a belief or notion that there was an initial "creator" (of any kind) that set the world in motion). Said "creator" could be as literal or metaphorical as one could want.

I've got serious issue with those that believe the earth is only a few thousand years old, that "evolution" doesn't exist, that man and dinosaur coexisted, or any other sort of treatment of the book of revelations as some kind of literal recollection of how the universe, earth, and man was created.

In the case of instance one, there's a reasonable level of faith there as there are not clear cut, verifiable, unquestionable notions to the contrary and it stands to at least some general notions of logic (as simple as the notion that if all things natural must come from something, then the initial natural thing must have came from something other than what is natural, ie supernatural).

In the case of instance two, you have verifiable, testable, clear evidence to the contrary with literally NO counter argument to it other than essentially "its all a big conspiracy and everyone everywhere is wrong for reasons we can't explain!"

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whysoserious said:
Well, yeah, expressing views that ask questions that have long since been answered. He asked why there are still monkeys... that's a stupid question. He should read about evolution before he opens his damn mouth on the subject.s
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Captain America said:
whysoserious said:
Well, yeah, expressing views that ask questions that have long since been answered. He asked why there are still monkeys... that's a stupid question. He should read about evolution before he opens his damn mouth on the subject.s
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Captain America said:
Is it possible we have eaten from the tree of knowledge? We were warned against that, ya know.
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Uh oh. I've eaten lots of apples in my life and never asked which tree they came from.
 
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X Factor said:
The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop" (Dr. Edwin Conklin, evolutionist and professor of biology at Princeton University).
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I think people who say this just have simple brains. And I don't blame them for thinking this either, because humans did not evolve to understand probability. Just for a second, think about the number of stars that exist in our galaxy (100 trillion). Then think about how many planets accompany those stars.. lets just say for fun, an average of 8. That is 800 trillion planets just in our Galaxy alone. How many Galaxies exist in the universe? Scientists think the number is close to 100 billion. Ok, so what am I really getting at here? Most humans are not able to even understand numbers this large, and we were not evolved to. So when someone says that the probability of life just coming about by accident is about the same as random letters blowing around and coming together to create a dictionary.... You might not be far off. Even if there were a 1-100 trillion probability life would accidentally be created, that would still mean it has happened somewhere else. And of course, in our small brains, 1-100 trillion chance of anything would seem like an accident to us, but if something has occurred, regaurdless of the probability of it occurring, then it seems to me that the accident is that we have the ability to understand it.
 
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beefheart said:
I get it. But creationists need to be called out, there is enough stupidity in this country.

Yes, I comprehend what I read, no need to make a personal attack.
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No, they don't, at least not for rants on twitter which is a stupidity all it's own. And if you're dumb enough to attack a coworker on social media, especially one with a better contract, you're too damn obsessed with the issue to begin with.

If you indeed comprehended what you read you wouldn't have made your own personal attacks against me in the first place.
 
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beefheart said:
I get it. But creationists need to be called out, there is enough stupidity in this country.

Yes, I comprehend what I read, no need to make a personal attack.
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Ok, so right here - "creationists are stupid". Not a particular kind of creationists or whatever spin has been put on it in this thread, just "creationist". Now, was that so hard?
 
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clownboy said:
No, they don't, at least not for rants on twitter which is a stupidity all it's own. And if you're dumb enough to attack a coworker on social media, especially one with a better contract, you're too damn obsessed with the issue to begin with.

If you indeed comprehended what you read you wouldn't have made your own personal attacks against me in the first place.
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I think if you put yourself out on any social media site, you cant expect everyone to just agree with you. You are going to get people with different perspectives who chime in, and I think people who think they are above criticism are the ones that we need to be looking at.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I've got no issue with anyone having a belief or notion that there was an initial "creator" (of any kind) that set the world in motion). Said "creator" could be as literal or metaphorical as one could want.

I've got serious issue with those that believe the earth is only a few thousand years old, that "evolution" doesn't exist, that man and dinosaur coexisted, or any other sort of treatment of the book of revelations as some kind of literal recollection of how the universe, earth, and man was created.

In the case of instance one, there's a reasonable level of faith there as there are not clear cut, verifiable, unquestionable notions to the contrary and it stands to at least some general notions of logic (as simple as the notion that if all things natural must come from something, then the initial natural thing must have came from something other than what is natural, ie supernatural).

In the case of instance two, you have verifiable, testable, clear evidence to the contrary with literally NO counter argument to it other than essentially "its all a big conspiracy and everyone everywhere is wrong for reasons we can't explain!"





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Who said that?
 
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Capster78 said:
I think if you put yourself out on any social media site, you cant expect everyone to just agree with you. You are going to get people with different perspectives who chime in, and I think people who think they are above criticism are the ones that we need to be looking at.
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Yeah, except this was a coworker at ESPN.
 
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X Factor said:
Ok, so right here - "creationists are stupid". Not a particular kind of creationists or whatever spin has been put on it in this thread, just "creationist". Now, was that so hard?
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Creationists by definition are people that believe that the 2 creation stories in Genesis are literal accounts of the creation of man, all life, and the universe. Within creationism there are 2 sects, Old Earth and New Earth. Basically the division being whether the earth is 6 thousand years old or much older. However, regardless of how old they think the earth is, creationists by definition believe there was a literal Adam and a literal Eve that which all of humanity descends from.

Frankly I am beginning to think that despite your histrionic indignation, you don't even know what creationists believe.
 
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Capster78 said:
I think people who say this just have simple brains.
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Thank you - and bite me. :2razz:

I kid.
 
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Watching X-Factor slink away from his first post in this thread is slightly satisfying. He lied about Dr. Edwin Conklin's position as an 'evolutionist'. He tried really hard to attribute the statements of others to my posts. Then he couldn't answer what his quote had to do with the issue. Then he got school on just which Christians accepted evolution. Then mbig called him out for engaging in further dishonest and trying to get people to insult his view. You gotta love just how his arguments have been bludgeoned to death but I'm not one to really enjoy jumping on people who don't know their stuff. So I'll bid you all adieu and observe as some of you demolishing X's uninformed statements.

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I think we can all say that if you are alive today and believe any of the following ancient myths, then you are stupid:

1. At night the earth is covered in a giant black cloak, that cloak is surrounded by an immense white light, and the stars are tiny holes in that cloak.

2. The land floats upon endless seas of water.

3. If one digs far enough into the earth, they will eventually enter into Hades, the land of the dead.

4. The large fossils occasionally uncovered are the bones of an ancient race of dragons.

There are all sorts of myths that the ancients had about the world that we would call anyone that held such beliefs today as either crazy or remarkably ignorant and gullible.

However, if you believe the following is the literal story of the creation of man:

This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. 5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

No one is to consider you crazy, ignorant or stupid. Not only that, but in science classes they should "teach the controversy" because while all of modern science accepts evolution, you don't, and you are smarter than all those stupid scientists. Moreover, when you are challenged as to the shear absurdity of your beliefs, you then get all indignant and claim that all of Christianity is being attacked, when in fact, its but a minority of Christians worldwide that even share your views.
 
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Hatuey said:
Watching X-Factor slink away from his first post in this thread is slightly satisfying. He lied about Dr. Edwin Conklin's position as an 'evolutionist'. He tried really hard to attribute the statements of others to my posts. Then he couldn't answer what his quote had to do with the issue. Then he got school on just which Christians accepted evolution. Then mbig called him out for engaging in further dishonest and trying to get people to insult his view. You gotta love just how his arguments have been bludgeoned to death but I'm not one to really enjoy jumping on people who don't know their stuff. So I'll bid you all adieu and observe as some of you demolishing X's uninformed statements.

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I like how he is quoting me in his signature obviously without realizing the a majority of people would agree with my statement he is quoting.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I like how he is quoting me in his signature obviously without realizing the a majority of people would agree with my statement he is quoting.
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He is dishonestly conflating believing in a creator and being a creationist. Given the definition of creationist and the wide standards for what constitutes a creator, that's just laughable. The fact that he thinks evolution and a creator were contradictory and then got completely destroyed when he tried to claim most Christians were creationists-a-la-evangelicals just made me realize how little he knows about this topic. Then again... what else can we expect from someone who tried to pass off a devout Christian scientist as an evolutionist?
 
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