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Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

bg85 said:
exactly. the store is free to replace them if they can. that's why i don't understand why people have an issue with a strike.
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I agree. They should strike, and Walmart should fire them. Better yet...Walmart should open a pay-per-view channel and charge money to watch what happens when striking employees get between those shoppers and the Black Friday deals. Hell...I'D purchase my first pay per view to watch that.
 
bg85 said:
you don't have to sign a yellow dog contract to be fired for organizing workers. walmart can fire them for whatever they want. if you sign a yellow dog contract though, it means they can fire you AND sue you.

edit: i can't remember if yellow dog contracts are legal everywhere though.
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I'm not sure either.

They should be illegal everywhere, IMO, but that's just my opinion.
 
WallStreetVixen said:
There has been economic studies confirming that Walmart provides the most savings for lower income earners and other wage earners than any other super centre or department store.

I can provide you an example of that study if you'd like, but I'd doubt that you'd read it.
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You're right, I wouldn't because no corporate sponsored study will change what goods will actually ring up to at the register. If when I buy goods and do price comparisons walmart is cheaper by 3 bucks for every 45 spent then I will not believe a study showing massive savings. Low income people are best served by a middle income job and not poverty level pricing. Btw the low income are paying for their goods with social services (which Walmart uses to subsidize their low wages ) anyway
 
WallStreetVixen said:
Want higher pay? Get out of retail and get a real job…
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Hey genius I don't work retail, anymore, when I did it was union where I was subjected to the horrors of higher pay, health and dental, holiday and Sunday working premium, not required to work if the schedule wasn't changed 48 hours in advance, just awe ful stuff like that, I also reject your phony moralistic premise entirely. Retail used to be a good industry to work before the great Wal*Mart of China was sold by the waltons

And what is retail? A fake job, bet you ten bucks you don't have the courage to tell a stocker retail is not a real job to their face
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Hey genius I don't work retail, anymore, when I did it was union where I was subjected to the horrors of higher pay, health and dental, holiday and Sunday working premium, not required to work if the schedule wasn't changed 48 hours in advance, just awe ful stuff like that,
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I obviously wasn't talking about you, but anyone working in retail, in general. It is a very common misconception people make online believing that their personal lives concern me.

It doesn't.

I also reject your phony moralistic premise entirely. Retail used to be a good industry to work before the great Wal*Mart of China was sold by the waltons

And what is retail? A fake job, bet you ten bucks you don't have the courage to tell a stocker retail is not a real job to their face
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Retail use to be a good industry? How did you arrive at that conclusion? Were adults always taking retail jobs in the States? As far as I know, those jobs only went to teens to gain marketable skills. What a backwards country this is... As far as I'm concerned, it's not a real job. It requires the bare minimum skills (probably less than that) with hardly no educational background at all. All associates do is take my money while pretending to be nice or care about me and everything they sell on the shelfs contributes to your ballooning trade deficit.

Yeah, it's not much of a real job.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
You're right, I wouldn't because no corporate sponsored study will change what goods will actually ring up to at the register. If when I buy goods and do price comparisons walmart is cheaper by 3 bucks for every 45 spent then I will not believe a study showing massive savings.
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Its not a corporate sponsored study. It is a paper studying the consumer benefit from increased competition in shopping outlets spurred by Walmart, either by merely opening a shop in the area or competing for business in the area. This was commissioned by the National Bureau of Economic Research, which is a non-profit organisation. The study uses a utility-consistent economic model using a consumer expenditure function with statistics already provided by the Bureau of Labour Statistics. And yes, these models are more accurate than your anecdotal nonsense.

Low income people are best served by a middle income job and not poverty level pricing.
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Society as a whole is not, which includes low income people.

Btw the low income are paying for their goods with social services (which Walmart uses to subsidize their low wages ) anyway
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And? So are plenty of other stores. The way you cite the datapoint, you'd think Walmart was the only store in the economy that accepted EBT...
 
Wow, that sure was successful.

Communists, one blunder after another....
 
WallStreetVixen said:
I obviously wasn't talking about you, but anyone working in retail, in general. It is a very common misconception people make online believing that their personal lives concern me.

It doesn't.



Retail use to be a good industry? How did you arrive at that conclusion? Were adults always taking retail jobs in the States? As far as I know, those jobs only went to teens to gain marketable skills. What a backwards country this is... As far as I'm concerned, it's not a real job. It requires the bare minimum skills (probably less than that) with hardly no educational background at all. All associates do is take my money while pretending to be nice or care about me and everything they sell on the shelfs contributes to your ballooning trade deficit.

Yeah, it's not much of a real job.
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Yes adults have always took retail jobs, Im the grocery model used prior to walmart and still by most union stores, teenagers take the bag boy positions which are stepping stones to department positions, stockers, managers, and so on. You clearly have never worked a grocery retail environment, there's much more then just pretending to be nice...
 
DVSentinel said:
Another worthless socialist "law" that needs to be overturned and all supporters of hung.
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Well sure come on down to my place with a rope, man have I got a surprise for you!
 
WallStreetVixen said:
Its not a corporate sponsored study. It is a paper studying the consumer benefit from increased competition in shopping outlets spurred by Walmart, either by merely opening a shop in the area or competing for business in the area. This was commissioned by the National Bureau of Economic Research, which is a non-profit organisation. The study uses a utility-consistent economic model using a consumer expenditure function with statistics already provided by the Bureau of Labour Statistics. And yes, these models are more accurate than your anecdotal nonsense.
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bring your study to check out and see if if changes your total then I'll accept your argument, I have worked directly in this field in the past, milk is the same price everywhere, so is beer, so are cigarettes, so are potato chips. In nearly all cases the vendors control the prices to a greater extent then the store. Walmarts savings are exaggerated, go to the union store, buy the exact same basket of grocery products as Walmart, then go buy at walmart. Direct observation is more reliable then studies which are easy to skew.





Society as a whole is not, which includes low income people.
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Wrong, rising tide lifts all boats, transferring wealth from the top to people who consume more creates more jobs for the lower and middle class. The real wages of workers have stagnated as big corporate taxes were lowered and rates of unionization decreased, in fact real wages haven't grow since the 1970s eve though productivity has increased. The richest meanwhile have increased earnings 700% clearly there is an issue here, forcing that 700 percent downward will help everyone else.


And? So are plenty of other stores. The way you cite the datapoint, you'd think Walmart was the only store in the economy that accepted EBT...
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Everyone accepts food stamps, which is why your argument that stores paying living wages hurt the poor, the poor aren't paying out of pocket for food now, so slightly higher prices cannot hurt them
 
It is very possible that some customers did not want to shop at WM on Black Friday because of poor customer service. Store sales were down on that day.

There are other factors involved here. People may have wanted to avoid the heavy, rude crowds. They may have wanted to not waste a lot of time in a checkout line. They may have also wanted purchases without taxes. Black Friday WAS down, but Cyber Monday (IE: the Monday after Thanksgiving) set all time records:

www.techcrunch.com/2014/12/02/walma...story-mobile-traffic-of-70-over-the-holidays/
 
Monte said:
It is very possible that some customers did not want to shop at WM on Black Friday because of poor customer service. Store sales were down on that day.

There are other factors involved here. People may have wanted to avoid the heavy, rude crowds. They may have wanted to not waste a lot of time in a checkout line. They may have also wanted purchases without taxes. Black Friday WAS down, but Cyber Monday (IE: the Monday after Thanksgiving) set all time records:

www.techcrunch.com/2014/12/02/walma...story-mobile-traffic-of-70-over-the-holidays/
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I ordered from Walmart.com on cybermonday, but not much. I was looking around for Xbox one games and they had one I ordered but it was not great sale. The one I wanted was sold out online but I bout it in the store today for maybe $7 more and it won't take 2 weeks to get it with their slow free shipping. Nobody really had much of anything game wise on sale for Xbox ones that I could find, not even on amazon.
 
Declan said:
I ordered from Walmart.com on cybermonday, but not much. I was looking around for Xbox one games and they had one I ordered but it was not great sale. The one I wanted was sold out online but I bout it in the store today for maybe $7 more and it won't take 2 weeks to get it with their slow free shipping. Nobody really had much of anything game wise on sale for Xbox ones that I could find, not even on amazon.
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Was surprised -- Hubs and baby daughter both have wanted an Xbox One since they came out. I got them one last week, but was surprised at the lack of really good games. I mean, there are a few, but not much, and Walmart's selection sucked balls. I did get a few good ones on Thanksgiving night for $25 each, but still not, you know, really good games. I just hope that it comes out with more games. They usually do, once they've been out for a while.
 
DVSentinel said:
Another worthless socialist "law" that needs to be overturned and all supporters of hung.
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Nothing says "Happy Holidays" like advocating for one's political opponents to be killed.
 
Superfly said:
Was surprised -- Hubs and baby daughter both have wanted an Xbox One since they came out. I got them one last week, but was surprised at the lack of really good games. I mean, there are a few, but not much, and Walmart's selection sucked balls. I did get a few good ones on Thanksgiving night for $25 each, but still not, you know, really good games. I just hope that it comes out with more games. They usually do, once they've been out for a while.
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Yeah I will probably stop by gamestop sometime in the next week or two. They didn't have a lot deal wise on line either. I got the Duck Dynasty game from Walmart.com because it is about the closest to a hunting game I could find for X that wasn't a war game and I did get it at a discount. I bought Grand Theft Auto V today in the store. $60 a game sucks balls. I don't even have a working game system other than PC. My sister bought the assassin's creed bundle xbox for one of my brothers for Christmas so I said I would buy him some additional games.
 
Kobie said:
Nothing says "Happy Holidays" like advocating for one's political opponents to be killed.
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Merry Christmas, you mean.
 
Declan said:
I ordered from Walmart.com on cybermonday, but not much. I was looking around for Xbox one games and they had one I ordered but it was not great sale. The one I wanted was sold out online but I bout it in the store today for maybe $7 more and it won't take 2 weeks to get it with their slow free shipping. Nobody really had much of anything game wise on sale for Xbox ones that I could find, not even on amazon.
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I was actually pretty surprised as well. I kept getting e-mails from Amazon about their Cyber Monday deals, I logged on Amazon Monday and really saw no good deals for anything I might have been interested in buying. In fact, for anything on my want list, prices hadn't gone down at all. Maybe all the deals were on things I didn't want, I don't know but I wasn't impressed a bit.
 
Declan said:
Yeah I will probably stop by gamestop sometime in the next week or two. They didn't have a lot deal wise on line either. I got the Duck Dynasty game from Walmart.com because it is about the closest to a hunting game I could find for X that wasn't a war game and I did get it at a discount. I bought Grand Theft Auto V today in the store. $60 a game sucks balls. I don't even have a working game system other than PC. My sister bought the assassin's creed bundle xbox for one of my brothers for Christmas so I said I would buy him some additional games.
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yeah I got the Assassin's Creed bundle, too. Plus, I got Shadows of Mordor (because my daughter loves LOTR), TitanFall, Forza 5 (I think it was 5) and Need For Speed - something something. :shrug: Hope they like them. Hope they don't suck.
 
Cephus said:
I was actually pretty surprised as well. I kept getting e-mails from Amazon about their Cyber Monday deals, I logged on Amazon Monday and really saw no good deals for anything I might have been interested in buying. In fact, for anything on my want list, prices hadn't gone down at all. Maybe all the deals were on things I didn't want, I don't know but I wasn't impressed a bit.
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I normally buy quite a bit off of Amazon at Christmas, and I bought nothing from them this year. Well, one thing - my husband wanted a real leather wallet-style phone case, and I picked one of those up for him. Was originally $20, which was already cheap for real leather, and when I put it in the basket, it was only $8.

I didn't see anything else at all that was really a good price.

I did see that this year's Cyber Monday broke records as being the busiest, best shopping day ever in the history of Cyber Monday.

Black Friday was actually down, something like 11%.

I think retailers will see shifts like this. People are realizing they can stay home, avoid the crowds, get free shipping and still get great deals.
 
Superfly said:
yeah I got the Assassin's Creed bundle, too. Plus, I got Shadows of Mordor (because my daughter loves LOTR), TitanFall, Forza 5 (I think it was 5) and Need For Speed - something something. :shrug: Hope they like them. Hope they don't suck.
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I started to get Forza as I see it on a list of the best xbox games but thought it might be too closely played to grand theft.
 
Kobie said:
Nothing says "Happy Holidays" like advocating for one's political opponents to be killed.
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Enemies, not political opponents.

I always appreciate dead enemies for Christmas. Especially those who want to take Christ out of Christmas and use terms like Xmas and Happy Holidays. Fortunately, many of those also are leftist vermin. Double win.
 
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