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Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

Actually it is. The people WANT this or they wouldn't show up for it.

You are simply wrong. The people go because the stores decided to push their sales to Thanksgiving. People were perfectly fine going on Black Friday.

People would go on Black "Wednesday" is the corporations decided to move it to Wed. Consumers are responding to the corporation, not the other way around.
 
Then they shouldn't be working in retail. Or hospitality. Or as medical personnel. Or in the airline industry. Or as cab drivers. Or with the telephone companies. Or with the DPWs.

maybe. and if there are enough people who ARE willing to show up to work on a holiday then the retail industry should have no trouble firing these workers and hiring other ones right? free market baby! i love it.
 
You are simply wrong. The people go because the stores decided to push their sales to Thanksgiving. People were perfectly fine going on Black Friday.

Yet again, if the people did not want to go on Thanksgiving, would they go? Yes or no?
 
Since we are talking about non unionized employees it comes down to the State in question. Without a contract, in right to work States the worker can be fired even if the employee serves notice of intention to strike. In other States it comes down to the employment legislation protecting the worker. In either case, we also have to include the motivations of the employer in dealing with non organized striking labor. I suspect Walmart will gloss over this just as they have in prior years but it does bring notice to the issue of 5th income quintile, low wage rate, workers and the minimum wage debate.

most of my labor law knowledge is specific to wv and colorado, but if someone blatantly violates an attendance policy, i know of no state where the employer would not be legally allowed to fire them on the spot.
 
Yet again, if the people did not want to go on Thanksgiving, would they go? Yes or no?

People are going because they want to take advantage of the sales. They would go whatever day the corporations decided to have the sale. It isn't the public demanding that stores be open on Thanksgiving.
 
You are simply wrong. The people go because the stores decided to push their sales to Thanksgiving. People were perfectly fine going on Black Friday.

People would go on Black "Wednesday" is the corporations decided to move it to Wed. Consumers are responding to the corporation, not the other way around.

Just look at yourself and see it's the consumer and not the business. You said yourself, you don't go into the store. Therefore, even with GOOD sales you don't go. Now imagine if everyone did that.

So you have just proven it is the consumer that is the problem because if YOU and I can have the willpower to not go so can everyone else.
 
maybe. and if there are enough people who ARE willing to show up to work on a holiday then the retail industry should have no trouble firing these workers and hiring other ones right? free market baby! i love it.

That's exactly right. So the WalMart workers who don't want to work are free to get jobs elsewhere and the people who want the jobs they leave can take them. It's easy like that.
 
You have yet to answer this question. When they were hired did they AGREE to work holiday hours, yes or no?

(actually i did answer this but i'll do it again) yes, but that's irrelevant. maybe they've changed their mind about working holiday hours, which they, as free citizens, are allowed to do.
 
People are going because they want to take advantage of the sales. They would go whatever day the corporations decided to have the sale. It isn't the public demanding that stores be open on Thanksgiving.

So let me ask you this. Are you going to the stores on Thanksgiving because of the sales? If not, you have just proven it is the consumer that is the problem.

I LOVE the sales, however, I won't support Thanksgiving night. Therefore I have made the decision and choice not to go regardless of the sales. So can other people. It is the people that are the problem, not the stores.

Free will Disney. You are excusing people's greed.
 
I believe in right to work states, he could be fired. I noticed Arizona was not included, and it is a right to work state.

right to work has nothing to do with being fired. All slave mart people are at will, and can be fired. But then there is the pesky FLSA union retaliation laws...............
 
(actually i did answer this but i'll do it again) yes, but that's irrelevant. maybe they've changed their mind about working holiday hours, which they, as free citizens, are allowed to do.

Well, if they changed their minds and the job is no longer what they want they are free to go elsewhere are they not?

I worked retail for 5 years many many many years ago and HATED every waking moment of work. Did I strike because I no longer liked my job? NO, I left and found a new one that was better for me. That is what the Walmart workers can do as well.
 
Just look at yourself and see it's the consumer and not the business. You said yourself, you don't go into the store. Therefore, even with GOOD sales you don't go. Now imagine if everyone did that.

So you have just proven it is the consumer that is the problem because if YOU and I can have the willpower to not go so can everyone else.

No. Again....the public would go whenever the stores have the sale. They were perfectly happy to go on Friday. It was the corporations that decided that this wasn't good enough and decided to destroy American Tradition to feed their wallets. The public was not standing outside of the stores demanding that they open.
 
do the workers not have the right to say they want to stay at home as well? how DARE they decide they want to stay at home with their families?

I'll bet you a good chunk of them want the day off so they can go shopping themselves. Staying home with the families is a crock.
 
That's exactly right. So the WalMart workers who don't want to work are free to get jobs elsewhere and the people who want the jobs they leave can take them. It's easy like that.

correct. they are also free to strike to try and improve their current jobs. maybe they really like working at walmart other than the fact they have to work on thanksgiving. if they can get away with not showing up and continuing to keep their jobs, i say more power to them.
 
People are going because they want to take advantage of the sales. They would go whatever day the corporations decided to have the sale. It isn't the public demanding that stores be open on Thanksgiving.

Per the bold, so you have proven it is PEOPLE'S GREED that is the problem. Thank you. :applaud
 
Corporate greed ??? Really ???

They are businesses who respond to customer requests/dictates. If people did not desire to shop on Thanksgiving the stores would not open... due to no profit...

Blame the consumer not the one attempting to satiate consumer wants.

G'day D

Thom Paine

I think this would be a much more solid argument if there were no special sales or anything like that on Thanksgiving.

As it is, stores do absolutely everything in their power to lure customers into the store.

You can't price a 75" flat screen TV at $100 and then turn around and say that the only reason you're open is because customers are beating down your door on that day for no particular reason other than they insist you open on that day.

Understand that I don't care whether or not stores are open, or whether or not employees work.

I'm not siding with the employees against the employer.

But let's not pretend that Black Friday isn't "the Superbowl" of CPG/retail marketing departments nationwide.
 
No. Again....the public would go whenever the stores have the sale. They were perfectly happy to go on Friday. It was the corporations that decided that this wasn't good enough and decided to destroy American Tradition to feed their wallets. The public was not standing outside of the stores demanding that they open.

So the people are being FORCED to go on Thanksgiving? You just said people want to go to TAKE ADVANTAGE of the sales. So people's greed is forcing them to destroy American Tradition. You keep proving my point over and over.
 
Per the bold, so you have proven it is PEOPLE'S GREED that is the problem. Thank you. :applaud

I agree with you to a point....except that the PEOPLES GREED will drive them to the store on ANY day the corporations decide to have the sale. It is still the CORPORATION that has decided that they have to destroy Thanksgiving to increase their sales.
 
Well, if they changed their minds and the job is no longer what they want they are free to go elsewhere are they not?

I worked retail for 5 years many many many years ago and HATED every waking moment of work. Did I strike because I no longer liked my job? NO, I left and found a new one that was better for me. That is what the Walmart workers can do as well.

lol of course they're free to go elsewhere. they're also free to strike. as i mention in my post above, if they can get away with not showing up on thanksgiving and still keep their jobs, i say more power to them! they've worked out a great deal for themselves.
 
correct. they are also free to strike to try and improve their current jobs. maybe they really like working at walmart other than the fact they have to work on thanksgiving. if they can get away with not showing up and continuing to keep their jobs, i say more power to them.

Yes and when they do it against company policy, they can be fired. If they are willing to lose their jobs over it, than I won't be sad if that happens. It's THEIR choice and all.
 
I'll bet you a good chunk of them want the day off so they can go shopping themselves. Staying home with the families is a crock.

maybe so, and that would be their right! isn't that awesome? that we have a free market where people can make decisions for themselves and then they have to face the consequences?
 
Actually you are wrong. The consuming public was happy to get up early on black friday to do their shopping. They weren't demanding stores open on Thanksgiving. They are showing up now because corporate greed has pushed black friday to thursday. The public didn't demand stores to do this.

Actually, you're wrong. Many of these stores had significantly long line-ups of customers throughout the night and into the wee hours of the morning prior to Black Friday opening in the morning and then had stampedes into the stores when they opened. They also had to provide security and crowd control throughout the night to avoid vandalism and fighting. As a result, they decided to open the stores earlier and earlier. It was consumer demand.
 
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