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Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

What about the people that provide Haymarket's house with electricity? I guess he will have to break out the fire in his fireplace. Wait...many of those run on gas. Hmmm... well, he can always go outside and cook his meal. He won't freeze too much.

He can always go down to WalMart to stay warm. ;)
 
Thanksgiving isn't a Christmas holiday. We aren't talking about religious holidays. And no, I was in the hospital one year from Christmas Eve to New Years and guess what? The workers weren't all Joos!

You are going to suggest to all cops, firefighters, and the others to demand that they have the right to be relieved of work tomorrow?

I think it would be cool if the air traffic controllers said they don't want to work holidays either. Let those planes guide themselves! It would be like one big destructive video game in the sky.

Great job at completely distorting, changing and perverting what I actually said. Do they teach you this in seminars at the prestigious Von Mises Phone Booth?

I was born in 1949 and grew up in the Fifties and Sixties. There was no law on the books in most places which forced stores to stay closed on holidays and even on Sundays but it was done just the same because people and business had mutual respect for each other. And this was at time of record high union membership as well.

What ever happened to simple decency respecting a person spending a national holiday with their family for heavens sakes?

And yes - there were some skeleton crews who worked in vital areas of the economy and we got by just the same. But some damn big box store was not considered as part of that. And to think that even wal mart managed to survive and even thrive without being open on Thanksgiving! Amazing!!! :doh:roll::shock:
 
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Just as a clarification, they're not striking in order not to work on Thanksgiving or on "Black Friday", but for better hours and wages. The timing is to coincide with Walmart's busiest time:

From the OP:

WASHINGTON -- Kicking off the third consecutive year of protests, Walmart workers in six states have formally submitted strike notices to their bosses ahead of the Black Friday shopping frenzy, calling for higher wages and better hours, according to OUR Walmart, the group representing the workers.
 
Great job at completely distorting, changing and perverting what I actually said. Do they teach you this in seminars at the prestigious Von Mises Phone Booth?

I was born in 1949 and grew up in the Fifties and Sixties. There was no law on the books in most places which forced stores to stay closed on holidays and even on Sundays but it was done just the same because people and business had mutual respect for each other. And this was at time of record high union membership as well.

What ever happened to simple decency respecting a person spending a national holiday with their family for heavens sakes?

And yes - there were some skeleton crews who worked in vital areas of the economy and we got by just the same. But some damn big box store was not considered as part of that.

Cool! And I was born in 1962 and grew up in the 1960s and 1970s and I now live in 2014 where retailers are open on Thanksgiving. Join me here.
 
Cool! And I was born in 1962 and grew up in the 1960s and 1970s and I now live in 2014 where retailers are open on Thanksgiving. Join me here.

They must teach you this crap at the prestigious Von Mises phone booth. Nobody with a functioning brain in a society with other people like themselves could come up with on their own the nonsense you are spouting as if it were gospel truth.
 
They must teach you this crap at the prestigious Von Mises phone booth. Nobody with a functioning brain in a society with other people like themselves could come up with on their own the nonsense you are spouting as if it were gospel truth.

Yes, they taught me in the phone booth that I was born in 1962 and it's now 2014. Don't be jealous! Maybe someday you can learn what year it is too.

By the way, no idea what the prestigious Von Mises phone booth is, but if it's something from the 1950s, I wouldn't know it. That was your era.
 
That's fair, but limited to one individual family. I could anecdotally point to several families that like to shop together. And let's not forget, we're not actually talking in this OP about working retail on the holiday with any meaning - we're talking about Black Friday, which is by definition a shopping holiday. And as for tradition, I'd say that those people who work for the Detroit Lions and Dallas Cowboys, two NFL teams who've had home games on Thanksgiving Thursday for decades, manage to find a way to celebrate the holiday around their work schedule, knowing full well that working for these teams will mandate working on the holiday.

Great! So when Wal-Mart employees are paid NFL salaries, I'm sure you'll hear a lot less complaints.
 
Yes, they taught me in the phone booth that I was born in 1962 and it's now 2014. Don't be jealous! Maybe someday you can learn what year it is too.

By the way, no idea what the prestigious Von Mises phone booth is, but if it's something from the 1950s, I wouldn't know it. That was your era.

Playing dumb hardly becomes you.
 

When You Force Employees to Work on Holidays, Everyone Suffers


I don't suffer.

I don't either, but then again, my Christmas shopping is done, I just got one of the last things I was waiting for today, I think there are two more packages coming but then everything is finished. I refuse to go into retail stores between Thanksgiving and Christmas if I can help it.
 
<emphasis mine> so you do think they should be legally required to work? i disagree. strongly.

Nobody is legally required to work. If you don't want to, quit.
 
Just as a clarification, they're not striking in order not to work on Thanksgiving or on "Black Friday", but for better hours and wages. The timing is to coincide with Walmart's busiest time

Maybe those people ought to spend more time developing job skills, getting an education and being better employees so they can have better jobs with better hours and higher wages instead of threatening people who are willing to pay them. They don't have a lot of choices.
 
I don't either, but then again, my Christmas shopping is done, I just got one of the last things I was waiting for today, I think there are two more packages coming but then everything is finished. I refuse to go into retail stores between Thanksgiving and Christmas if I can help it.

I find that I enjoy Christmas more if I'm not in the stores. Too many people, too many smells, too much aggravation. My house is all decorated already too. Now I can sit and enjoy it in between work travel.
 
I find that I enjoy Christmas more if I'm not in the stores. Too many people, too many smells, too much aggravation. My house is all decorated already too. Now I can sit and enjoy it in between work travel.

Not to get too far off topic, we haven't started decorating, I'm trying to figure out what to do in the front yard, we had all kinds of lighted nets out front last year over shrubs but we replaced all the shrubs and have nowhere to put them. This weekend, we'll start pulling out the Christmas stuff and making decisions.
 
Sorry, I don't know about Van Mises phone booths. They must have gone out with poodle skirts.

I guess part of me says how could any proper Right Libertarian not know about it but then I guess even those that do not still can parrot the party line just the same as the Truth is dispensed from those on high who are tuned onto the Institute and the information which then flows from it.

here then is my Christmas present to you

http://mises.org/

enjoy.
 
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I guess part of me says how could any proper Right Libertarian not know about it but then I guess even those that do not still can parrot the party line just the same as the Truth is dispensed from those on high who are tuned into the Institute.

here then is my Christmas present to you

Mises Institute

enjoy.

Um, thanks, but I'm not interested. Are you trying to pick me up?
 
Not to get too far off topic, we haven't started decorating, I'm trying to figure out what to do in the front yard, we had all kinds of lighted nets out front last year over shrubs but we replaced all the shrubs and have nowhere to put them. This weekend, we'll start pulling out the Christmas stuff and making decisions.

My last OT post too. We're getting a ton of snow here in NH today so my husband & kids put up all the outdoor stuff (spotlights, wreath) on Sunday knowing the forecast, and that got me in the spirit, so I spent yesterday and today finishing the inside. Good luck with the outdoor decorating - I know what it's like to change things up and then all of a sudden you're like "uh oh! Christmas decorations don't work now!"
 
Um, thanks, but I'm not interested. Are you trying to pick me up?

Not at the moment but the evening is still young and I have not imbibed yet. I was just trying to inform you about something you claimed to not be aware of.
 
Just a big heads up here. She's been posting here for almost 4 years. You just joined 151 incoherent posts ago. Nobody's had a problem with her posts or her ability to understand what she reads. There are at least 2 of us who are suffering from vertigo because of your posts.

That's your Thanksgiving present.

Vertigo. :lol:

<3
 
Not at the moment but the evening is still young and I have not imbibed yet. I was just trying to inform you about something you claimed to not be aware of.

I can't tonight. My husband will be home soon. Plus I need to smoke a lot of weed before I stray.

I'm not into the entire Austrian Economics thing, which is probably why I've never once posted about it. Pretty cool how that works. I'm also not interested in Nascar, which is probably why I never posted about that either.
 
I find that I enjoy Christmas more if I'm not in the stores. Too many people, too many smells, too much aggravation. My house is all decorated already too. Now I can sit and enjoy it in between work travel.

Arrrgh. You competent people!
 
I can't tonight. My husband will be home soon. Plus I need to smoke a lot of weed before I stray.

I'm not into the entire Austrian Economics thing, which is probably why I've never once posted about it. Pretty cool how that works. I'm also not interested in Nascar, which is probably why I never posted about that either.

What about race cars in Austria?
 
Let them have freedom of expression, that's a good thing. But then again I'm not really going to respect people who won't work demanding more pay and more money. What's wrong with working 40+ hours a week or having 2 jobs? What's wrong with living with roommates and cutting cost? The whole "living wage" this is flawed and seems to push some entitlement mindset. You wage is valued on what the market deems, not what your self important self thinks you are worth.
 
Great! So when Wal-Mart employees are paid NFL salaries, I'm sure you'll hear a lot less complaints.

I appreciate you may not be overly worldly, but you don't honestly think that everyone who works for an NFL team or works at an NFL stadium selling peanuts and hotdogs or parking cars or slogging beers or wiping piss off the bathroom floors, etc., makes NFL salaries, do you?
 
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