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A third of Fortune 500 companies now cover transgender health care

Not confused at all, the implication was blaming the healthcare for not providing for the transition. This is the same situation where that bitch complained because her birth control wasn't paid for. Gender changes are not common, so it shouldn't be a surprise that they wouldn't be covered. There is no requirement to cover everything in a health plan.

Well, no. No one blamed healthcare, it is not the same situation, and companies proving benefits packages to entice the best possible workers is pretty common. No one has claimed that businesses are required to cover everything. Now, do you have anything at all that is not a strawman?
 
Look at the OPs avatar, he seems to be on a constant crusade when it comes to sexual issues. I was wondering when he was going to do something for his pro-gun stance.

So you admit guns have jack **** to do with the thread and you just brought them up to attack the poster?
 
1.)My point stands.
2.) There's plenty going on in the gun control debate, but you are hardly seen there. Why?
3.) One post in two years isnt' participation.
4.) It's an important topic, just as important as SSM.
1.)no it failed already proven by my post history.
2.) like i already said, reality and times. There very little "breaking news" on the 2nd amendment and that right for me and my fellow american already exists. Its not in danger at all compared to the right of marriage. Let me know when it is, its in the news because its current and its as infringed on as equal rights.
3.) i agree good thing i have more than that on gun topics, another reason why your post failed. Hell i got more THREADS than one in the specific forum not to mention others in two years lol
4.) I agree, thats why im glad it exists already.
please continue trying to support your failed post though. I'm gonna stay on topic though, good luck desperately trying to make your failed post stand.
 
Thats your right to not support companies that support equality, the medical and science communities and health care. :shrug: I have no problem with your decision.

Don't worry J, I'm only one person, they will still make enough to pay for your operation.
 
Thats your right to not support companies that support equality, the medical and science communities and health care. :shrug: I have no problem with your decision.

I have noticed that every time you mention equality or justice, you only do so about blacks, homosexuals and now people who think they are a different sex than what their genetics make them.

Is there some reason why you don't think justice and equality should apply to white heterosexuals?
 
If your asking if I'm a psychologist, then no, I am not a crazy brainwashed moron.

So who should I believe, some one with no training on the subject, or those who have actually researched it? I wonder...
 
So who should I believe, some one with no training on the subject, or those who have actually researched it? I wonder...

I would say believe what you think and what conclusions you draw as an individual, but then, your a Liberal and they are not exactly noted for thinking for themselves, doing for themselves or being responsible for themselves but very well noted for demanding that others do the thinking etc for them and demanding others be the same way.

It is foolish and stupid to just accept someone else's word for something because they have a "degree" in a particular subject. While it does train, education can also be a major hindrance thinking freely. To many times, education teaches what is "not possible" instead of letting people learn limits for themselves.
 
Don't worry J, I'm only one person, they will still make enough to pay for your operation.
not worried, I dont need one, dont need one :shrug:
par for the course your post fails
 
I would say believe what you think and what conclusions you draw as an individual, but then, your a Liberal and they are not exactly noted for thinking for themselves, doing for themselves or being responsible for themselves but very well noted for demanding that others do the thinking etc for them and demanding others be the same way.

It is foolish and stupid to just accept someone else's word for something because they have a "degree" in a particular subject. While it does train, education can also be a major hindrance thinking freely. To many times, education teaches what is "not possible" instead of letting people learn limits for themselves.

It is more stupid to assume that people who have studied an issue are wrong, just because you don't like what they say.
 
1.)I have noticed that every time you mention equality or justice, you only do so about blacks, homosexuals and now people who think they are a different sex than what their genetics make them.

Is there some reason why you don't think justice and equality should apply to white heterosexuals?

thank you for posting this and showing that you are severely uneducated on this topic. Sorry but thats not how rights work.

there are no rights for homosexuals, sexual orientation or blacks . . . .those people were denied rights or are being denied rights based on those things but those rights apply to ALL OF US.

Its a common mistake made by those that dont support equal rights or understand them.

White (race, i know "what isnt a race but white people have a a race like all people) heterosexual (sexual orientation) get the SAME protections because they have a race and a sexual orientation. Its not a hard concept for those educated honest and objective.

so like your other posts this strawman also completely fails, but i admit it might not be a failed strawman but just ignorance on this topic and your mistake about what you think rights are and how they work.

But the reality is i support equal rights because it effect me too, if others are denied equal rights based on race, gender, religion , sex orentation etc then I could be too since i have all of those things like all americans do. This is why the majority of americans care about equal rights.
 
It is more stupid to assume that people who have studied an issue are wrong, just because you don't like what they say.

Know much about psychology?

Know how much of it is based upon shared opinion and how much on fact?

I didn't until my sister was taking her state boards. 50% automatically passed, 50% automatically failed. And the answers were graded not for meeting an established standard, but solely upon the opinion of the examiner.

Psychology is 99.9% based upon opinion, less than .1% is based upon provable fact.
 
Know much about psychology?

Know how much of it is based upon shared opinion and how much on fact?

I didn't until my sister was taking her state boards. 50% automatically passed, 50% automatically failed. And the answers were graded not for meeting an established standard, but solely upon the opinion of the examiner.

Psychology is 99.9% based upon opinion, less than .1% is based upon provable fact.

Can you document that?
 
1.) you find it inconsistent because you are mixing two things that are factually not the same. Being gay and having gender dysphoria or sexual identity issues etc (some terms old and new) are not the same.

2.) again you are confusing two things that are not the same, im not even sure what your example is trying to say but a person who has a homosexual orientation that simply wants to have a heterosexual orientation is not the same thing as being gay or having gender dysphoria in general. These things are much deeper or in some cases not. The majority of gay people are just find with themselves, they are different things.

3.) thats good you wish that, your confusion can be cleared up by studding/learning the difference and riding yourself of misinformation, assumption and ignorance on the subject (not meant in a bad way). There is much on this subject (the science and medical community info) that I myself do not know.

1) It's only different, based on your views as opposed to my views. In my view, all sexuality, in whatever it's forms, rests on the continuum from 100% straight to 100% homosexual. I believe where you sit on that continuum is related to your genetic and brain chemical makeup. These are not diametrically opposed.

2) I didn't say that most gay people wish they weren't gay. I said there are some who wish they were straight - that's undeniable. How they personally deal with those feelings/wishes is personal to them and they should be no more ridiculed for how they deal with their lives than anyone else on the sexual continuum. I don't know of any research that definitively claims what you claim so unless you're either transgender or gay and wish you weren't, you don't have the life experience or genetic/chemical makeup to speak definitively.

3) I'm not confused, nor am I hopelessly uneducated on the subject matter. Your attempt to dismiss my views based on an accusation of ignorance doesn't do you nor anyone else who wishes to bring respect to all humans any favours in the discussion.
 
A few things come to mind on this topic. 1) Corporations aren't nearly as evil as the left portrays them if they are freely adding this sort of coverage without the wonderful and benevolent state forcing them to. 2) This isn't a rights issue or an equality issue since no one has the right to health coverage in the first place. 3) I assume that a guy who wants to transform himself into a woman, will need implants. If this is now covered for men, wont it need to be covered for women as well? Not sure how you can declare implants to be cosmetic for women and not for men.
 
A few things come to mind on this topic. 1) Corporations aren't nearly as evil as the left portrays them if they are freely adding this sort of coverage without the wonderful and benevolent state forcing them to. 2) This isn't a rights issue or an equality issue since no one has the right to health coverage in the first place. 3) I assume that a guy who wants to transform himself into a woman, will need implants. If this is now covered for men, wont it need to be covered for women as well? Not sure how you can declare implants to be cosmetic for women and not for men.

1) "The left" does not portray corporations as evil.
2) You are correct, it is not a rights issue nor an equality issue.
3) Incorrect, hormones are used, not implants.
 
1) "The left" does not portray corporations as evil.
2) You are correct, it is not a rights issue nor an equality issue.
3) Incorrect, hormones are used, not implants.
I didn't know that, thanks. Why is it that hormones can give a dude a nice rack, but women need implants? Just curious.
 
I didn't know that, thanks. Why is it that hormones can give a dude a nice rack, but women need implants? Just curious.

No one said "nice". They will cause breasts to grow. How nice they will be is different for different people. The person I knew when I was about 20 who was getting it done was getting a decent "rack" and liked to show them off at every opportunity.
 
1) It's only different, based on your views as opposed to my views. In my view, all sexuality, in whatever it's forms, rests on the continuum from 100% straight to 100% homosexual. I believe where you sit on that continuum is related to your genetic and brain chemical makeup. These are not diametrically opposed.

2) I didn't say that most gay people wish they weren't gay.
3.) I said there are some who wish they were straight - that's undeniable.
4.) How they personally deal with those feelings/wishes is personal to them and they should be no more ridiculed for how they deal with their lives than anyone else on the sexual continuum.
5.) I don't know of any research that definitively claims what you claim so unless you're either transgender or gay and wish you weren't, you don't have the life experience or genetic/chemical makeup to speak definitively.
6.) I'm not confused, nor am I hopelessly uneducated on the subject matter.
7.) Your attempt to dismiss my views based on an accusation of ignorance doesn't do you nor anyone else who wishes to bring respect to all humans any favours in the discussion.

1.) no its factually different gay =/= gender dysphoria
neither of our views or opinions change that
2.) noer did i calim you did simply pointed out the fact that they are for a real life example of gay =/= gender dysphoria
3.) correct which doesnt relate to the issue you are trying to make it relate too
4.) since your views/opinions on sexual continuum arent accurate and dont apply it really doesnt mean much
5.) you dont have to be aware of facts for them to be facts and i have no idea what you THINK i claimed, its probably another false assumption and mistake on your part
6.) yes you are because you think gay = gender dysphoria and or is on your opinion of a sexual continuum when it is not
7.) i dismiss your view because i choose facts and they are in fact ignorance by definition and not meant in a negative way , just accurate
if i ignored facts based on your views THATS what would be disrespectful lol. AGain your mistake but theres lots of info out there that can help you.
 
A few things come to mind on this topic. 1) Corporations aren't nearly as evil as the left portrays them if they are freely adding this sort of coverage without the wonderful and benevolent state forcing them to. 2) This isn't a rights issue or an equality issue since no one has the right to health coverage in the first place. 3) I assume that a guy who wants to transform himself into a woman, will need implants. If this is now covered for men, wont it need to be covered for women as well? Not sure how you can declare implants to be cosmetic for women and not for men.

1.) it is great they are doing it
2.) oh but it is when the insurance companies are classifying somethign cosmetic when its not and it discriminates against those with real health issues. Just like it would be has has been in the past when things for disabled people werent cover and considered not needed when they were.
3.) wow really?
it would be determined the same way everything is. Some times you get your teeth fixed for free because its medically needed for a reason or another, or you can CHOOSE to fix certain things just cause you want them and then thats cosmetic.
 
Companies should be paying for mental healthcare that works to help these people, not for changes to their sex.

Or just toss the crazy idiots out the door.

I remember... you are uneducated on this issue. Treating folks with hormone replacements and surgery IS healthcare that has been shown to work for these people. There. Now you've been educated on this issue.
 
If your asking if I'm a psychologist, then no, I am not a crazy brainwashed moron.

Well, we know you are uneducated on this topic, so we have no reason to take anything you say as anything of intelligence. And, based on what we see in this thread, there is no question that everything you say on this topic, lacks intelligence.
 
I would say believe what you think and what conclusions you draw as an individual, but then, your a Liberal and they are not exactly noted for thinking for themselves, doing for themselves or being responsible for themselves but very well noted for demanding that others do the thinking etc for them and demanding others be the same way.

It is foolish and stupid to just accept someone else's word for something because they have a "degree" in a particular subject. While it does train, education can also be a major hindrance thinking freely. To many times, education teaches what is "not possible" instead of letting people learn limits for themselves.

I didnt just trust someone's opinion. I tried for well over 30 years to seek counseling to be able to function in life as male and for help for my gender identity issues from more traditional people. This included my parents, my uncles, clergy, Christian based therapists and coaches while I was at school. None of this helped. I finally started going to a gender therapist and now am more accomplished in life then I ever was in the past.

My decision to transition is based on what is working in my life and not on anyone's opinion.
 
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