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Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

Not at all. That is certainly what I have been discussing with you.

Fine, show us where. Where have Obama's policies come into discussion. Specifically, tell us which Obama policy I've defended. I'll wait. Post number will be appreciated.

Since you proved your own claim that we have been discussing Cruz to be a lie, what is you think we have been arguing about?

More nonsense, I've demonstrated that you've been discussing Cruz's statements from the beginning. Specifically, the fact that net neutrality is nothing like Obamacare. I even referenced some of the posts on the matter.

But I do find it funny you have been reduced to arguing about what we were arguing about. What are you? 15?

Reduced to arguing about what I've been arguing about? Lol. You're kidding right? Fletch, you've tried to steer the discussion to be about Obama's policies when from the beginning, it's been about just what net neutrality implies. Can you show us different? Show us the discussion you've had on Obama's policies? Otherwise, retract. It's that simple.
 
Sen Al Franken (D-Minn.) responded on Sunday to a Washington Post op-ed in which Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) wrote that net neutrality is "Obamacare for the internet".

Franken said Cruz "doesn't understand" what net neutrality is.

"He has it completely wrong and he just doesn't understand what this issue is," Franken told Candy Crowley on CNN's "State of the Union".

Read the article here: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz isn't a stupid guy but he's totally wrong on this issue.

I believe that we'll hear more from him on this. This is a very important issue to a lot of people.

Or if you read what Obama wants to do and that is force the FCC to govern the internet. right now they don't govern the internet and it means that internet providers do not have to pay into the FCC fund.

if Obama gets his wish and the internet companies will pass on the FCC to all of their clients.
so yea in a round about way Cruz is correct. it will be obamacare for the internet.
 
Fine, show us where. Where have Obama's policies come into discussion. Specifically, tell us which Obama policy I've defended. I'll wait. Post number will be appreciated.



More nonsense, I've demonstrated that you've been discussing Cruz's statements from the beginning. Specifically, the fact that net neutrality is nothing like Obamacare. I even referenced some of the posts on the matter.



Reduced to arguing about what I've been arguing about? Lol. You're kidding right? Fletch, you've tried to steer the discussion to be about Obama's policies when from the beginning, it's been about just what net neutrality implies. Can you show us different? Show us the discussion you've had on Obama's policies? Otherwise, retract. It's that simple.
You are trolling. You demonstrated that you and I were never discussing Cruz. You proved this yourself and yet you still lie about it. I have been discussing the implications of the presidents desire to treat providers as utilities. If you haven't been discussing that with me, what the f**k are you arguing about? How old are you? Seriously it's like arguing with. A child. Grow up and stop lying. Your ego can possibly so fragile as to be unwilling to admit you were wrong. Can it?
 
Sen Al Franken (D-Minn.) responded on Sunday to a Washington Post op-ed in which Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) wrote that net neutrality is "Obamacare for the internet".

Franken said Cruz "doesn't understand" what net neutrality is.

"He has it completely wrong and he just doesn't understand what this issue is," Franken told Candy Crowley on CNN's "State of the Union".

Read the article here: Al Franken Explains Net Neutrality To Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz isn't a stupid guy but he's totally wrong on this issue.

I believe that we'll hear more from him on this. This is a very important issue to a lot of people.

Now, that Al Franken and Rush Limbaugh have become involved in this topic, making it the most political secondary topic in the country. Next to immigration. Net Neutrality Is the Next Con - The Rush Limbaugh Show RUN! Run as far away from this as you possibly can!!!! There will be no good pleasing these political polarizers. No matter how much I respect each man for keeping true to his principles. No good will come out of politicizing this topic. Of course, the pro NN side has already politicized it from the get-go but I digress.

There is going to be a lot of backlash from ISPs just because of this, and now, we will begin to see more mergers and stymied innovation just because of the uncertainty of the political atmosphere. I hope I am wrong and it sizzles, like all the other times, the Pro NN people have tried to make it an issue. But I don't think it will happen this time. Net Neutrality is very bad for the internet in general, So I fear what will happen to it, once crazies on both sides of the political aisle get involved and tries to shape the net into what THEY want. I am actually more fearful of the Republicans in this matter. There are some who want to ban porn, file sharing etc... What if those things get in the bill? Does PIPA or SOPA ring a bell with anyone anymore?? For you Republicans what if they make it harder for right wing websites to register due to some loophole in the NN rules. Like IRS?

There are sooo many things that could go wrong with government oversight I am just shocked as to how many people don't understand or realize the dangers of the seal of government promise, that "Yes, they will keep things the same." :lamo That sentence almost always ends in a (‿ˠ‿) But...And once you put a (‿ˠ‿) in there. The law becomes useless cheese and pork. Like usual!

In an effort to bring some smidgen of good. The Pro NN people might have just brought the internet to a screeching halt! As Rush says, why in the hell would you ever want to trust the same corrupt administration that brought you Obamacare??? A website that I should mention...just started working!!! WHY?

Now I foresee two scenarios coming out of this:

1. My fears that I mentioned above will come true and the Internet will become a regulated mess.
2. The NN laws will have no effect whatsoever on the state of things, and ISPs will continue to grow and work around the NN loopholes that they created while working hand in hand with our government.

So I say let it be!
 
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You are trolling. You demonstrated that you and I were never discussing Cruz.

Still trying to hide from your statements? What are you discussing here?

Hes not the only person, I am not sure why it is Ted Cruz is wrong. Perhaps he means the way Obamacare took a bad situation and made it worse is the analogy he is making. Or it could be that since Obamacare was a pack of lies meant to dupe a stupid American public, how can we be sure he isn't about to do the same thing again. Obama has no credibility and it is advisable to all 'stupid Americans' to be very skeptical of everything he says.

I don't see paying for what I use as being against my interests. Limiting the power of the state, on the other hand, is in my interest.

Once the government puts it thumb on the scale, neutrality disappears. Net neutrality could turn out to be as accurate as the Affordable Care Act. Sounds great, but inaccurate as hell.

You keep lying, and it's not helping you at all. The best part is that where I have shown you discussing the premise of net neutrality over and over you've yet to demonstrate where I've discussed Obama's policies. The fact that the minute you were called out for making false claims about what I said, you reverted to this silly never ending dodging is funny. Now, are you going to show us where I discussed Obama's policies? Are you going to show us where I discussed the FCC or Article II? Or not? If not, then it's simple. Retract and admit you made false claims about a subject you were uneducated in.

You proved this yourself and yet you still lie about it. I have been discussing the implications of the presidents desire to treat providers as utilities. If you haven't been discussing that with me, what the f**k are you arguing about? How old are you? Seriously it's like arguing with. A child. Grow up and stop lying. Your ego can possibly so fragile as to be unwilling to admit you were wrong. Can it?

I proved that you had been discussing the premise of net neutrality, that you tried to steer the conversation to be about Obama's policies and when that failed, you devoled into insults as any good little Libertarian would do. :shrug:
 
Still trying to hide from your statements? What are you discussing here?







You keep lying, and it's not helping you at all. The best part is that where I have shown you discussing the premise of net neutrality over and over you've yet to demonstrate where I've discussed Obama's policies. The fact that the minute you were called out for making false claims about what I said, you reverted to this silly never ending dodging is funny. Now, are you going to show us where I discussed Obama's policies? Are you going to show us where I discussed the FCC or Article II? Or not? If not, then it's simple. Retract and admit you made false claims about a subject you were uneducated in.



I proved that you had been discussing the premise of net neutrality, that you tried to steer the conversation to be about Obama's policies and when that failed, you devoled into insults as any good little Libertarian would do. :shrug:

Dude, two of the three posts of mine you are quoting, now or the second time, were not directed at you. So why you continue to repost things that expose you as a liar is mystifying. But it shows you aren't really very well thought out. As for me shifting the conversation, I admitted that myself already. My first post was about Cruz, after that I switched to discussing the wisdom of turning the Internet into a utility. I stayed on that line throughout the remainder of the thread. What YOU have been arguing about, God only knows. Judging from what I have seen, you are arguing just to argue. Much like you are doing now. Actually, you are just trolling now, but that seems to be all you got left in your tank
 
Dude, two of the three posts of mine you are quoting, now or the second time, were not directed at you. So why you continue to repost things that expose you as a liar is mystifying. But it shows you aren't really very well thought out. As for me shifting the conversation, I admitted that myself already. My first post was about Cruz, after that I switched to discussing the wisdom of turning the Internet into a utility. I stayed on that line throughout the remainder of the thread. What YOU have been arguing about, God only knows. Judging from what I have seen, you are arguing just to argue. Much like you are doing now. Actually, you are just trolling now, but that seems to be all you got left in your tank

Lmao - still trying to duck and dodge I see. It's good that you've given up on trying to claim that you and I were discussing Obama's policies. I mean, I wouldn't want you to point out any specific post where I did so after you outright lied and were called on it by other posters. Again Fletch, you've demonstrated quite a few things here. You've demonstrated you don't know what net neutrality is mostly because you think it's a new form of regulation as opposed to what we've had for 25+ years. You think the free market, which various poster and myself have explained does not really exist in the ISP business, should settle this. Then when faced with evidence showing why net neutrality is an inherently good thing, you've downgraded your argument from it being a government program, to believing that it can be achieved through market means. How does it feel to have lost an argument so badly that you've been reduced to catch phrases? Wait... before you answer...

Can you tell us where I discussed Obama's policies? Specific post # will do. :)
 
You think we would be better off with a one party system?

No.

A zero party system. Let each candidate think for himself, rather than to toe the party platform, and require that each voter select whoever they think the best candidate is.

Of course if we did that, most people would stop voting - because they would have to actually learn about the candidates. The informed minority electing our leaders might be a good thing.
 
No.

A zero party system. Let each candidate think for himself, rather than to toe the party platform, and require that each voter select whoever they think the best candidate is.

Of course if we did that, most people would stop voting - because they would have to actually learn about the candidates. The informed minority electing our leaders might be a good thing.

That won't happen! There's no way to keep factions from forming.
 
It's always good for a laugh to see an intelligent, erudite collectivist like Sen. Franken try to educate a dimwitted neocon yokel. The Cruz missile is a typical redneck reich-wing idiot, so dumb he makes Sarah Palin look bright. Of course the lying clowns at Faux News, etc. claim he personally argued eight cases before the Supreme Court of the U.S. as Texas' Attorney General, but any enlightened progressive who knows his Brie and Birkenstocks knows that's just facist propaganda. If there were one of the two who had the intelligence and knowledge of constitutional law it takes to argue a case to the Supreme Court, we all know it would be Stuart Smalley.
 
Maybe, but he hasn't showed many signs of it so far.



No, you're a partisan who's predisposed to BS from dishonest ISPs.

Cruz at least knew Obama was lying through his teeth when he promised that you could " keep your insurance and doctor '.

That alone qualifies him as exponentially more intelligent than your average Obama supporter, or leftist.

And yea sure, now ISP's are the bad guys ? Because it used to be the Health Insurance companies, and the leftist took care of that for us didn't they ? Remember ?

"Idiot voters " had to be lied to for their own good so the Government could make things " equitable and affordable " ( Really expensive )

But hey, there's something to be said for all of the Leftist who continue stay loyal to a Political party that thinks they're so stupid they need to be lied to fort their own good.

I wouldn't brag about it ( you would apparently ) but it's pretty impressive.
 
Cruz at least knew Obama was lying through his teeth when he promised that you could " keep your insurance and doctor '.

That alone qualifies him as exponentially more intelligent than your average Obama supporter, or leftist.

And yea sure, now ISP's are the bad guys ? Because it used to be the Health Insurance companies, and the leftist took care of that for us didn't they ? Remember ?

"Idiot voters " had to be lied to for their own good so the Government could make things " equitable and affordable " ( Really expensive )

But hey, there's something to be said for all of the Leftist who continue stay loyal to a Political party that thinks they're so stupid they need to be lied to fort their own good.

I wouldn't brag about it ( you would apparently ) but it's pretty impressive.

Do you believe the net neutrality argument and the way in which ISPs have conducted themselves is a relatively new development? I'm curious. Mostly because the debate has gone on for nearly 3 decades and the arguments are still the same. On one hand, you have developers, producers and users of content arguing that one source of data should not be given preferential treatment over another and then you have ISPs, arguing that by giving those willing to pay ransoms preference, they are encouraging innovation. Do you think that these positions have only made ISPs look like bad guys ​now?
 
Do you believe the net neutrality argument and the way in which ISPs have conducted themselves is a relatively new development? I'm curious. Mostly because the debate has gone on for nearly 3 decades and the arguments are still the same. On one hand, you have developers, producers and users of content arguing that one source of data should not be given preferential treatment over another and then you have ISPs, arguing that by giving those willing to pay ransoms preference, they are encouraging innovation. Do you think that these positions have only made ISPs look like bad guys ​now?


I don't buy ONE WORD that comes out of this administration. Not ONE. So, I don't trust this administration. I NEVER trusted this administration.

Long before Gruber opened up the eyes of Millions of Americans I already knew that Liberals lie.

So a promise form Obama to make things equitable and fair is like a promise from a used car salesman that the 1972 Trans Am I'm looking at only has 30 thousand miles on it's odometer and 1 owner.
 
I don't buy ONE WORD that comes out of this administration. Not ONE. So, I don't trust this administration. I NEVER trusted this administration.

Long before Gruber opened up the eyes of Millions of Americans I already knew that Liberals lie.

So a promise form Obama to make things equitable and fair is like a promise from a used car salesman that the 1972 Trans Am I'm looking at only has 30 thousand miles on it's odometer and 1 owner.

That is irrelevant to what I asked. I'll highlight my questions again so you can answer them accordingly:

Do you believe the net neutrality argument and the way in which ISPs have conducted themselves is a relatively new development?

...You have developers, producers and users of content arguing that one source of data should not be given preferential treatment over another and then
- you have ISPs, arguing that by giving those willing to pay ransoms preference, they are encouraging innovation.

Do you think that these positions have only made ISPs look like bad guys ​now?

I welcome you to answer the questions. I've been following this debate since I first got into working with creative software, website management and marketing (I did the same for copyright laws) and neither have changed arguments since day one. So with that said, do you believe the Obama admin. is trying to make ISP providers look bad? Or are you aware of the fact that they've looked bad since day 1 for content creators/providers like myself?
 
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My take on the whole net neutrality thing is that if it requires a constitutional amendment to ensure that the internet is a neutral place where the speed of data is only limited by the physical infrastructure it travels on.

I'd ****ing support it.
 
My take on the whole net neutrality thing is that if it requires a constitutional amendment to ensure that the internet is a neutral place where the speed of data is only limited by the physical infrastructure it travels on.

I'd ****ing support it.

The thing here is that there are some posters who don't quite have an understanding of how long this debate has gone on. They've no idea what it entails or what the repercussions of not having net neutrality are. There is no way a person can argue that giving a company the power to determine how other companies and people use the internet doesn't stifle innovation. It's simply ludicrous. Hell, Google has caught fire for giving preference to some websites over others and they're just a search engine. Now imagine giving the same power to the guys who actually run ISPs. Websites like DP will be lucky if they manage to stay online. No net neutrality in theory could even be used to force acquisitions and takeovers.
 
it's sad that not ruining the internet by adding slow lanes is even debatable, and that it has been reduced to food for hyperpartisans. sad, but not unexpected. our duopoly sucks so much. national interests seem to take a back seat to partisanship by default.

It's to the point of blinding people emotionally to anything sensible. I listen to 'The Five' on Fox continually talking about destroying evil (terrorism), because we're the good guys, and it seriously comes off as a little retarded.
 
Wait wait what? What are you responding to? Certainly not Ted Cruz's words. Cruz said "net neutrality is Obamacare for the internet." Where is he talking about classifying the internet as a utility? Cruz wasn't talking about classifying the internet as a utility, he was talking about net neutrality. Seriously. Net neutrality. Look:
You have to be playing a game or purposely lying. Which is it?

President Obama came out and said he wanted the FCC to classify the internet as a utility.
Cruz's opinion piece was a response to that.


You didn't even pay attention to the title of what you provided. :doh
That title was:
"Ted Cruz: Don’t turn Internet access into public utility "
Obviously the Publisher understands what Cruz is speaking to even if readers like you don't.


Yes Mustachio he was speaking to the Obama's idea of classifying it into a utility.

Which further becomes clear as one reads along, as the regulatory issues he speaks to come about by classifying it as a utility.

And one of the biggest regulatory threats to the Internet is “net neutrality.”

In short, net neutrality is Obamacare for the Internet. It would put the government in charge of determining Internet pricing, terms of service and what types of products and services can be delivered, leading to fewer choices, fewer opportunities and higher prices.

President Obama this week came out aggressively for net neutrality and turning the Internet into a public utility. Some in the online community have embraced this call, thinking that cheaper prices would result. But when has that worked? Government-regulated utilities invariably destroy innovation and freedom. Which is more innovative, the U.S. Postal Service or Facebook and Twitter? Which is better for consumers, city taxi commissions or Uber and Lyft?


I read the whole editorial. Read it in context. I have no idea why you assumed that you knew what he was talking about, but you clearly don't have any idea what he's talking about and he doesn't even know what he's talking about.
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You may have read it but you certainly didn't understand it or the context, as he certainly was addressing the President's idea of classifying it as a utility.

All you have done is shown that you have no idea as to what he speaks.


But what we do know is that he was talking about net neutrality. You get it? We talking bout net neutrality. Not a game. Net neutrality.
You must be playing a game as this is just more nonsense from you.
Cruz's position on actual neutrality was stated in the second paragraph.

In the past, such a person would have to know the right people and raise substantial start-up capital to get a brick-and-mortar store running. Not anymore. The Internet is the great equalizer when it comes to jobs and opportunity. We should make a commitment, right now, to keep it that way.

Everything else is in opposition to the Presidents idea of classifying it as a utility. And it is hyperpartisian hacks that can't see either of those.

It is Obama who is not speaking to actual neutrality, but lying to the public again.
 
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This kind of crap sells to right wingers because the right is too damn stupid to understand "net neutrality" or any other issue (i. e. global warming), so they'll believe anything that sounds good to them. A right winger will say he opposes something, but that can never explain to you what that something actually is.
You have that reversed, as apparently it is those who believe Obama is actually speaking to net neutrality because he used those words which sound good to them. :doh
 
Lmao - still trying to duck and dodge I see. It's good that you've given up on trying to claim that you and I were discussing Obama's policies. I mean, I wouldn't want you to point out any specific post where I did so after you outright lied and were called on it by other posters.
Clearly there is something wrong with you. I was discussing Obamas desire to regulate the internet as a utility. You were arguing with me. Those are facts. If you want to pretend you were arguing with me about the color of the sky, that's you problem, not mine. I would seek professional help though if I were you.
Again Fletch, you've demonstrated quite a few things here. You've demonstrated you don't know what net neutrality is mostly because you think it's a new form of regulation as opposed to what we've had for 25+ years. You think the free market, which various poster and myself have explained does not really exist in the ISP business, should settle this. Then when faced with evidence showing why net neutrality is an inherently good thing, you've downgraded your argument from it being a government program, to believing that it can be achieved through market means.
Wait. I thought we were arguing about Ted Cruz all this time. Lol. You cant even keep your own lies straight. How pathetic. But good to see you finally get back to what were were actually arguing about and get off this day long diversion of arguing about what we were arguing about.
How does it feel to have lost an argument so badly that you've been reduced to catch phrases? Wait... before you answer...

Can you tell us where I discussed Obama's policies? Specific post # will do. :)
I haven't lost the argument. Obamas call to have the FCC regulate providers differently is a new form of regulation. You don't understand this either because you aren't all that bright, or you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. See, this is a discussion of Obamas policy on net neutrality, so if you are looking for a post where you discuss it look no further than post #409. Now, you can either grow up and discuss the issue like an adult or continue with your adolescent games. You decide.
 
Clearly there is something wrong with you. I was discussing Obamas desire to regulate the internet as a utility. You were arguing with me. Those are facts. If you want to pretend you were arguing with me about the color of the sky, that's you problem, not mine. I would seek professional help though if I were you.

Show me where I discussed Obama's policies as you claimed. I'll wait.

Wait. I thought we were arguing about Ted Cruz all this time. Lol. You cant even keep your own lies straight. How pathetic. But good to see you finally get back to what were were actually arguing about and get off this day long diversion of arguing about what we were arguing about.

Are you still trying to conflate the fact that you didn't know what net neutrality was with some imaginary discussion we had on Article II and Obama's policies? I'll wait until you can show the post where I discussed them.

I haven't lost the argument. Obamas call to have the FCC regulate providers differently is a new form of regulation. You don't understand this either because you aren't all that bright, or you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. See, this is a discussion of Obamas policy on net neutrality, so if you are looking for a post where you discuss it look no further than post #409. Now, you can either grow up and discuss the issue like an adult or continue with your adolescent games. You decide.

Third time you try to steer the conversation away from your defense of Ted Cruz' statements. Do you not realize that nobody is falling for it yet?
 
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