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Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

Mycroft said:
From all indications, that is exactly what the GOP intends to do. I haven't heard much at all about abortion, gays, religion, etc., since the election. I HAVE heard about Keystone, getting the money that's sitting overseas back home and things like that.

Obama, on the other hand, wants to pay attention to the less important social issues and minimize the fiscal issues...kind of like he has been doing for the last 5 or 6 years.

By your thinking, that's why his polling is in the dumpster and makes it likely...if he doesn't get smart...that the Democrats WILL be in trouble in 2016. Unless, of course, you think it's okay for the Democrats to push social issues while it's not okay for the GOP to do so.
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Not at all on that last. Just a straightforward assessment. One of the reasons I cut bait and went to the independents years ago was that the republicans had forgotten all about fiscal issues, doubling down on spending while trying to pacify their voters with social issues they so obviously didn't believe in and were just using as a distraction.
 
shrubnose said:
If the GOP uses that as its campaign slogan in 2016 I predict that the GOP will lose.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you project that the GOP would lose in the election just ended?

The voters aren't saying they like Congress. But given the revelation this past week, another incident coming out just today, that the Obama Administration private admitted that the only reason that they managed to pass the ACA is because the American voters are stupid, I think it is safe to say that the American voters are just plain tired of being lied to:

1. Obama promised the most transparent government ever. We got the most secretive and opaque government ever.
2. Obama promised no earmarks in appropriations bills. But no appropriations bill has been passed yet that didn't contain dozens, hundreds, or thousands of them and he has yet to veto one of them.
3. Obama promised premiums reduced by thousands, if we like our insurance plan we can keep it, if we like our doctor we can keep him/her, etc. etc. etc. when he was selling the ACA. Every thing he promised has turned out to be a lie.
4. Obama portrayed himself as the great messiah who would lift up the downtrodden and oppressed. But the very folks he was speaking to have seen, on average, their situations significantly worsen.
5. Obama promised fiscal responsibility and reform. We have had anything but.

At some point, smart people figure out that flowery speeches, grandiose promises, and smoke and mirrors just don't get the job done and do something about it. That happened at the polls this month.

Maybe those who still haven't figured it out really are stupid?
 
Fearandloathing said:
No I will agree that the Democrats never take an extreme right wing position and then veer to the middle.

But suggesting there is no hiding of the true nature of the communist policies, suggesting they are more honest is an outright ****ing lie?

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, and nobody can take that away!' before the election became "I never said that, what I said was you can keep your plan until the insurance companies change it" and even that was an outright ****ing lie.

And then there was voting "present".....

so your claim is about as honest as Obama at his worst, and we can add cowardice to the list of misinformation and bull**** posturing. If you want to quantify it, there are 44 clips of Obama claiming one thing, and then "veering to the center" when caught red handed
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You essentially are taking what I said backwards. My comments addressed the political BS during the campaigns; not the fact that politicians lie during the campaign in order to win the election and then govern the way they darned well please.. My point was that the reppublicants change much more drastically between what they say during the primary, in order to win that contest, and what they say during the general election to try to win that separate election contest.

Obama did not say one thing to beat Hillary in the primary and then yet another to beat McCain in the general but McCain's message changed considerably between the primary (down playing his amnesty stance and pretending to be for small gov't) and the general incuding rushing back to DC to help direct the massive dole out of TARP money. Yet again, in 2011 we saw Romney deperately try to play conservative (super pro-business man) and try to deny that RomneyCare was much like ObamaCare and then in the general he tried to play centrist and claim that he was a regular (non-millionaire or 1%) guy and OK wih massive social spending (but at the state level).
 
Mycroft said:
From all indications, that is exactly what the GOP intends to do. I haven't heard much at all about abortion, gays, religion, etc., since the election. I HAVE heard about Keystone, getting the money that's sitting overseas back home and things like that.

Obama, on the other hand, wants to pay attention to the less important social issues and minimize the fiscal issues...kind of like he has been doing for the last 5 or 6 years.

By your thinking, that's why his polling is in the dumpster and makes it likely...if he doesn't get smart...that the Democrats WILL be in trouble in 2016. Unless, of course, you think it's okay for the Democrats to push social issues while it's not okay for the GOP to do so.
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Greetings, Mycroft. :2wave:

I think the American people are very "social-issues" weary now after spending six years of hearing about them, and now want to have their pocketbook issues addressed immediately - if I gauge the mood of the mid-term voter correctly. We need jobs that pay a decent wage, and with all the infrastructure that needs to be updated and brought into the 21st Century, surely that can be a start to providing jobs for those that want to work. I even believe the unions would be behind that, if it can be fairly and equally accomplished, since that would benefit all of us.
 
shrubnose said:
Why did the GOP lose the last 2 presidential elections?
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For one reason Obama lied and lied and lied and lied.

Transparency, ACA, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Somebody else made that happen...

Well, you get the picture.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, Mycroft. :2wave:

I think the American people are very "social-issues" weary now after spending six years of hearing about them, and now want to have their pocketbook issues addressed immediately - if I gauge the mood of the mid-term voter correctly. We need jobs that pay a decent wage, and with all the infrastructure that needs to be updated and brought into the 21st Century, surely that can be a start to providing jobs for those that want to work. I even believe the unions would be behind that, if it can be fairly and equally accomplished, since that would benefit all of us.
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Greetings Ms. P, :2wave:

Jobs creation instead of paying people not to work; now there's an idea.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063973428 said:
Greetings Ms. P, :2wave:

Jobs creation instead of paying people not to work; now there's an idea.
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Greetings, Mo. :2wave:

Radical, huh? Sometimes you just gotta think outside the box! :lamo:
 
shrubnose said:
#1. There is no 'democrat' party.

#2. I don't know what the Democratic Party thinks, but I believe that if the GOP doesn't do anything about America's immigration problems it will be in big trouble in future elections.

Don't take my word for this, just wait and see. November, 2016 will be here before you know it.
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Two completely irrelevant points regarding the OP. Noted. And in November 2016 Obama will still be President, and it's doubtful he'll be looking real good to the public then......and that will likely rub off on the Dems' Presidential candidate especially if it's Hillary.
 
American said:
Two completely irrelevant points regarding the OP. Noted. And in November 2016 Obama will still be President, and it's doubtful he'll be looking real good to the public then......and that will likely rub off on the Dems' Presidential candidate especially if it's Hillary.
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The 2016 election very well could be a repeat of the 2008 election...with the Parties reversed.
 
Mycroft said:
The 2016 election very well could be a repeat of the 2008 election...with the Parties reversed.
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The Left is pissed because the American public (complete imbeciles in their opinion) rubbed their collective faces in the dirt for trying to foist perposterous policies upon them. All I have to say about it is, we told you your policies sucked. But you knew better. Now they're trying to be really smug about the whole thing, and predict the 2016 election outcome. They think that the public can't wait to put the likes of Harry Reid back in power, after the complete gridlock he created as the Senator of NO. They think that the public can't wait to feel more insecurity under Leftwing foreign policy.
 
American said:
The Left is pissed because the American public (complete imbeciles in their opinion) rubbed their collective faces in the dirt for trying to foist perposterous policies upon them. All I have to say about it is, we told you your policies sucked. But you knew better. Now they're trying to be really smug about the whole thing, and predict the 2016 election outcome. They think that the public can't wait to put the likes of Harry Reid back in power, after the complete gridlock he created as the Senator of NO. They think that the public can't wait to feel more insecurity under Leftwing foreign policy.
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Well, there's that, but I was thinking more of the way the general dislike for Bush lowered the ability of almost any Republican to win an election in 2008. Heck, it pretty much turned Colorado totally blue.

I can see the same thing happening in 2016, except it'll be Obama dragging down the rest of his Party.
 
US Conservative said:
Not soon after his media-enabled reelection, when President Obama's poll numbers almost immediately began to crater, the media narrative shifted to the steady drumbeat of, "But the approval rating for Congress is much lower." That spin was obviously directed at Republicans, who controlled Congress. Although "congress" can mean both the Democrat-controlled Senate and the House, this was a nifty rhetorical trick the media used to argue that the GOP was in worse shape than Obama.

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That lie was not only laid bare in last week's midterm elections, where Republicans at every level of government crushed Democrats (and their media cheerleaders) in a tidal wave that hit blue and purple states, but also in new polling numbers from Gallup that shows GOP lawmakers currently enjoy a higher approval rating from the American people than President Obama.

cont... Gallup: GOP Congress More Popular Than Obama
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They just got elected a week ago, and in fact haven't even taken office yet. Obama was pretty popular in between his election and his inauguration also.
 
Mycroft said:
Well, there's that, but I was thinking more of the way the general dislike for Bush lowered the ability of almost any Republican to win an election in 2008. Heck, it pretty much turned Colorado totally blue.

I can see the same thing happening in 2016, except it'll be Obama dragging down the rest of his Party.
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Colorado is run by a bunch of potheads, it was blue already.
 
Mycroft said:
Well, there's that, but I was thinking more of the way the general dislike for Bush lowered the ability of almost any Republican to win an election in 2008. Heck, it pretty much turned Colorado totally blue.

I can see the same thing happening in 2016, except it'll be Obama dragging down the rest of his Party.
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Tends to happen after you've had a two term President. It's very rare for a party to hang on to the White House after 8 years. Bush I was an anomaly. Look at 2000, 1960, 1968, 1976....almost any election with a two term incumbent leaving office.
 
rocket88 said:
Tends to happen after you've had a two term President. It's very rare for a party to hang on to the White House after 8 years. Bush I was an anomaly. Look at 2000, 1960, 1968, 1976....almost any election with a two term incumbent leaving office.
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Yeah, but the Gallup poll showed what it was under Clinton and Bush. None has been beat by such a margin. Just another First for BO, huh?
 
American said:
Colorado is run by a bunch of potheads, it was blue already.
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No...it really wasn't blue. At best one could say the State was trending purple.

But, as a result of the 2008 election the Democrats had total control of the State government...a reflection of the conditions in the federal government, mainly thanks to Obama.

btw, Colorado never has been, and is not now, run by a bunch of potheads.
 
US Conservative said:
Not soon after his media-enabled reelection, when President Obama's poll numbers almost immediately began to crater, the media narrative shifted to the steady drumbeat of, "But the approval rating for Congress is much lower." That spin was obviously directed at Republicans, who controlled Congress. Although "congress" can mean both the Democrat-controlled Senate and the House, this was a nifty rhetorical trick the media used to argue that the GOP was in worse shape than Obama.

obama-finger-on-lip-ap.jpg


That lie was not only laid bare in last week's midterm elections, where Republicans at every level of government crushed Democrats (and their media cheerleaders) in a tidal wave that hit blue and purple states, but also in new polling numbers from Gallup that shows GOP lawmakers currently enjoy a higher approval rating from the American people than President Obama.

cont... Gallup: GOP Congress More Popular Than Obama
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Obama's approval rating is not cratering unless you go by just one poll, maybe. On Election day president Obama's approval rating was at 42.0%, RCP's average, as of 12 November it is at 41.6%.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Using Gallups own numbers Obama was at 42% on election and yesterday he is at 41%. I call that normal fluctuation. As for the GOP congress, it hasn't even been seated yet and won't be until January.

Here is the actual Gallup poll:

Democratic Party Favorable Rating Falls to Record Low

Yet on ABC's exit polls it had this:

44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

National Exit Poll Reveals Major Voter Discontent in Midterm Elections - ABC News

The above results underscores the importance of averaging polls and no to rely on just one poll. Myself I am waiting for the party affiliation numbers and will compare them to what they were prior to the election.
 
Perotista said:
Obama's approval rating is not cratering unless you go by just one poll, maybe. On Election day president Obama's approval rating was at 42.0%, RCP's average, as of 12 November it is at 41.6%.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Using Gallups own numbers Obama was at 42% on election and yesterday he is at 41%. I call that normal fluctuation. As for the GOP congress, it hasn't even been seated yet and won't be until January.

Here is the actual Gallup poll:

Democratic Party Favorable Rating Falls to Record Low

Yet on ABC's exit polls it had this:

44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

National Exit Poll Reveals Major Voter Discontent in Midterm Elections - ABC News

The above results underscores the importance of averaging polls and no to rely on just one poll. Myself I am waiting for the party affiliation numbers and will compare them to what they were prior to the election.
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Fair enough, I dont disagree that this was one poll (article headline) but its an interesting development still.
 
US Conservative said:
Fair enough, I dont disagree that this was one poll (article headline) but its an interesting development still.
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As I said, I am still waiting on party affiliation numbers. Actually those numbers from ABC are quite good compared to what they were a month ago. I mean for the Republicans. Back in September the Republicans were at a 33% approval rating. A lot changed in October for what ever reason. From a 50-50 shot at taking over the senate to a 75% chance of winning it on election day. I for one do not have the faintest idea why.
 
Perotista said:
Obama's approval rating is not cratering unless you go by just one poll, maybe. On Election day president Obama's approval rating was at 42.0%, RCP's average, as of 12 November it is at 41.6%.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Using Gallups own numbers Obama was at 42% on election and yesterday he is at 41%. I call that normal fluctuation. As for the GOP congress, it hasn't even been seated yet and won't be until January.

Here is the actual Gallup poll:

Democratic Party Favorable Rating Falls to Record Low

Yet on ABC's exit polls it had this:

44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

National Exit Poll Reveals Major Voter Discontent in Midterm Elections - ABC News

The above results underscores the importance of averaging polls and no to rely on just one poll. Myself I am waiting for the party affiliation numbers and will compare them to what they were prior to the election.
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Did you find it fishy they compared party approval to job approval?
 
Hatuey said:
Did you find it fishy they compared party approval to job approval?
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Not fishy at all.

Ever since he was elected the first time, Obama has always been compared to the Republican Party. I think this is because the Democrats have consistently been considered nothing more than Obama's rubber stamp and, therefore, inconsequential. Since the 2010 election, the only Democrat, other than Obama, that has mattered has been Harry Reid...and he's mattered only insofar as he was able to pigeon-hole House legislation that came across his desk.
 
Mycroft said:
Not fishy at all.

Ever since he was elected the first time, Obama has always been compared to the Republican Party. I think this is because the Democrats have consistently been considered nothing more than Obama's rubber stamp and, therefore, inconsequential. Since the 2010 election, the only Democrat, other than Obama, that has mattered has been Harry Reid...and he's mattered only insofar as he was able to pigeon-hole House legislation that came across his desk.
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Ah, so you mean job approval and party approval are comparable? As opposed to Obama's job approval and the GOPs job approval? Yes?
 
Hatuey said:
Ah, so you mean job approval and party approval are comparable? As opposed to Obama's job approval and the GOPs job approval? Yes?
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No...I don't mean that they are comparable. I'm only saying that "that's the way it is" and I gave my speculation as to why.
 
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