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Gallup: Gop congress more popular than obama

Mycroft said:
No...I don't mean that they are comparable. I'm only saying that "that's the way it is" and I gave my speculation as to why.
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Now, whomever you think Obama has been compared to is not relevant to the question. I actually have no problem with Obama and Republicans being compared. I'm asking about whether the areas of comparison are actually comparable. Are job approval and party approval comparable? If they aren't, then why does this article exist? It's making a nonsensical comparison. Why doesn't Breitbart compare Republican job approval to Obama's own? Could it be that polls have them somewhere around 20-25% job approval? Could it be that the GOP run Congress' job approval is at... 12.5%?
 
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US Conservative said:
Not soon after his media-enabled reelection, when President Obama's poll numbers almost immediately began to crater, the media narrative shifted to the steady drumbeat of, "But the approval rating for Congress is much lower." That spin was obviously directed at Republicans, who controlled Congress. Although "congress" can mean both the Democrat-controlled Senate and the House, this was a nifty rhetorical trick the media used to argue that the GOP was in worse shape than Obama.

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That lie was not only laid bare in last week's midterm elections, where Republicans at every level of government crushed Democrats (and their media cheerleaders) in a tidal wave that hit blue and purple states, but also in new polling numbers from Gallup that shows GOP lawmakers currently enjoy a higher approval rating from the American people than President Obama.

cont... Gallup: GOP Congress More Popular Than Obama
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They just came fresh off of a election. Let's revisit this coming February when the GOP has to govern.
 
Hatuey said:
Did you find it fishy they compared party approval to job approval?
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Hmm, not quite the same thing. Job approval of congress is below 10% which includes the R House and the D senate. Party favorability is much higher for both parties. Naturally Republicans will rate their party favorable while the Democrats do the same. Hence the huge gap between congressional approval and favorability ratings of the parties. But both R and D agree Congress sucks for their own reasons.
 
Perotista said:
Hmm, not quite the same thing. Job approval of congress is below 10% which includes the R House and the D senate. Party favorability is much higher for both parties. Naturally Republicans will rate their party favorable while the Democrats do the same. Hence the huge gap between congressional approval and favorability ratings of the parties. But both R and D agree Congress sucks for their own reasons.
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I agree, I just found the comparison a bit weird. Party approval and job approval have nothing to do with each other.
 
Mycroft said:
Why do you think they need to deal with immigration? Because Obama wants to deal with it? Heck, that's the best reason not to deal with it. Besides, the American People have other things to worry about...like whether they can get a job or not...or whether Obamacare is going to bankrupt them or not.

Immigration is WAAAY down on the list of important stuff.
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Yeah, he might as well be demanding the Republicans address "climate change" or face 2016 defeat. :lamo
 
Hatuey said:
Now, whomever you think Obama has been compared to is not relevant to the question. I actually have no problem with Obama and Republicans being compared. I'm asking about whether the areas of comparison are actually comparable. Are job approval and party approval comparable? If they aren't, then why does this article exist? It's making a nonsensical comparison. Why doesn't Breitbart compare Republican job approval to Obama's own? Could it be that polls have them somewhere around 20-25% job approval? Could it be that the GOP run Congress' job approval is at... 12.5%?
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So many things wrong with your analysis.

Let's start with your screed against comparing disparate statistics only to close with claiming it is a "GOP run Congress" in an effort to pin the 12.5% on the GOP, rather than the Democrats who were just thrown out of power.

But please, continue to avoid addressing the serious problems in the Democrat Party. There is a fun fight coming up between the Clintons -- who will trying and pull the now far-left DNC back to center -- and the Obama/Warren faction who believe insanely that the results of the 2014 midterms were because they weren't far enough left.

If the Obama/Warren faction win that fight in the 2016 primaries then the DNC is screwed.
 
Oh this is just _ so _ wrong...

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jmotivator said:
Yeah, he might as well be demanding the Republicans address "climate change" or face 2016 defeat. :lamo
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Oh, that'll come. Obama is just saving that one for next year.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh, that'll come. Obama is just saving that one for next year.
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I'm sure he will be pushing to move election day to August just to be safe.
 
US Conservative said:
Interesting, I wonder what the democrat party thinks about this?

Here are the gallup results...
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Historically you can see from this graph that every time republican favourability goes above the democrats, it's taken them less than a year to screw it all up and they're back down below. Lets see if history repeats itself before waxing lyrical.
 
jmotivator said:
So many things wrong with your analysis.

Let's start with your screed against comparing disparate statistics only to close with claiming it is a "GOP run Congress" in an effort to pin the 12.5% on the GOP, rather than the Democrats who were just thrown out of power.
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You do realize that the Democrats were the minority party in the House and had a paper thin majority in the senate... right? Which makes any analysis of congress' job approval a reflection of Republicans as much as it is on Democratic job approval? Right? Now, you didn't really address anything. I asked ​Are job approval and party approval comparable?

But please, continue to avoid addressing the serious problems in the Democrat Party. There is a fun fight coming up between the Clintons -- who will trying and pull the now far-left DNC back to center -- and the Obama/Warren faction who believe insanely that the results of the 2014 midterms were because they weren't far enough left.

If the Obama/Warren faction win that fight in the 2016 primaries then the DNC is screwed.
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Your red herring is noted. Now go try it on someone who hasn't been on the forum 8x as long as you have.
 
Hatuey said:
You do realize that the Democrats were the minority party in the House and had a paper thin majority in the senate... right?
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You do realize the Democrats still control the senate, right?

Which makes any analysis of congress' job approval a reflection of Republicans as much as it is on Democratic job approval? Right?
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Nope, it doesn't mean that at all! I mean seriously dude, it's like the 2014 election never happened in your head. If you want to know if the low applies equally to both parties then look at the final tallies! Democrats were destroyed in 2014. Obliously the American people had a far bigger issue with Democrat performance than they did Republican.

Now, you didn't really address anything. I asked ​Are job approval and party approval comparable?
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Yes, they are. The polls point to the American people having a serious issue with Democrats in congress, and the election proved that to be true.

Your red herring is noted. Now go try it on someone who hasn't been on the forum 8x as long as you have.
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Sorry, you are the one waving your hands and ignoring the brutal losses by Democrats a mere week and a half ago. It is hard to take you seriously when you try and spin the polls as the public blaming both parties equally when they so obviously don't. You sound like the sad clowns at MSNBC trumpeting the crucial victory of Democrats in Pennsylvania on Election night. :lamo

It's only going to get worse for the Democrats as we have their leadership caught in endless lies this week trying to cover the constant flow of Gruber videos and a full scale civil war building in the DNC with Hillary and Bill squaring off against Obama/Warren/Reid/Left-wing blogosphere.

I mean, if it helps you sleep at night then feel free to believe your absurd spin on the polls and the election outcome, buut don't expect the rest of us to buy it.
 
jmotivator said:
You do realize the Democrats still control the senate, right?
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Irrelevant, job approval of congress is a reflection of both parties when 1 party controls the senate (with a paper thin minority) and the other controls the house with a sizeable majority.

Nope, it doesn't mean that at all! I mean seriously dude, it's like the 2014 election never happened in your head. If you want to know if the low applies equally to both parties then look at the final tallies! Democrats were destroyed in 2014. Obliously the American people had a far bigger issue with Democrat performance than they did Republican.
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It's like you're not really comprehending what is being said. Congress job approval has nothing to do with party approval. You realize this right?

Yes, they are. The polls point to the American people having a serious issue with Democrats in congress, and the election proved that to be true.
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Ummm, no they really aren't.

Sorry, you are the one waving your hands and ignoring the brutal losses by Democrats a mere week and a half ago. It is hard to take you seriously when you try and spin the polls as the public blaming both parties equally when they so obviously don't. You sound like the sad clowns at MSNBC trumpeting the crucial victory of Democrats in Pennsylvania on Election night. :lamo
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Am I? Have you ever heard the word strawman?

It's only going to get worse for the Democrats as we have their leadership caught in endless lies this week trying to cover the constant flow of Gruber videos and a full scale civil war building in the DNC with Hillary and Bill squaring off against Obama/Warren/Reid/Left-wing blogosphere.

I mean, if it helps you sleep at night then feel free to believe your absurd spin on the polls and the election outcome, buut don't expect the rest of us to buy it.
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Repeating this doesn't make it any more relevant. So, you're saying that job approval and party approval are the same thing? Yes?
 
Hatuey said:
I agree, I just found the comparison a bit weird. Party approval and job approval have nothing to do with each other.
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Politics is a game of comparing apples to oranges.
 
Perotista said:
Politics is a game of comparing apples to oranges.
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Yep, but Breitbart styled journalism seems to be trying to put a veil over people's eyes. About a week ago they got caught trying to tarnish Loretta Lynch's reputation by associating her with the Clintons. Now they're trying to make it seem like job approval and party approval are the same thing. I don't really approve of the job Democrats are doing. I do however agree with the Democrat stances on a lot of issues. According to this issue, if I approve of the party, I also approve of the job they're doing. That's what this article leads one to believe. That's just bad writing.
 
Nilly said:
Historically you can see from this graph that every time republican favourability goes above the democrats, it's taken them less than a year to screw it all up and they're back down below. Lets see if history repeats itself before waxing lyrical.
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I think you underestimate how much Obama has ruined the democrat party brand.
 
Hatuey said:
Yep, but Breitbart styled journalism seems to be trying to put a veil over people's eyes. About a week ago they got caught trying to tarnish Loretta Lynch's reputation by associating her with the Clintons. Now they're trying to make it seem like job approval and party approval are the same thing. That's just bad writing.
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Being associated with the Clinton's, at least the presidency of Bill Clinton is a good thing to most Americans. Job approval of a president might have something to do with party affiliation but that really hasn't been proven either. But I place more emphasis on party affiliation/identification than party favorability because that is factored into Party affiliation already.

I think when it comes to a president's approval rating and the opposing candidate favorable rating, those are basically apples to apples and oranges to oranges. But definitely not a political parties favorable rating vs. a presidential approval rating.
 
Perotista said:
Being associated with the Clinton's, at least the presidency of Bill Clinton is a good thing to most Americans. Job approval of a president might have something to do with party affiliation but that really hasn't been proven either. But I place more emphasis on party affiliation/identification than party favorability because that is factored into Party affiliation already.

I think when it comes to a president's approval rating and the opposing candidate favorable rating, those are basically apples to apples and oranges to oranges. But definitely not a political parties favorable rating vs. a presidential approval rating.
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Who says people of different ideologies can't agree? ;)
 
Hatuey said:
Who says people of different ideologies can't agree? ;)
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If one lives in the world of reality and common sense it is easy. But if one lives in the world of talking points, slogans, half truths, down right lies and political party propaganda, forget an agreeing of the minds. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that presidential approval ratings and political party favorability ratings are entirely two different things.

Now we may disagree on certain issues and that disagreement will probably on substance or how one views the issue through their own eyes. Not because a political party tells us what to think and what stance to take on an issue. They is way too much of the later and not enough of the first.
 
US Conservative said:
I think you underestimate how much Obama has ruined the democrat party brand.
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The democratic party got knocked down. It doesn't mean that the republicans got taller.

Going by the graph you posted, the republicans approval rating is at 42, only 1 pt higher than the democrats previous low. And you're proud of this??? I would wait until you've enacted some positive change in the country before yelling to the skies. And in the (IMO unlikely) case that the republican number does continue to rise, then well done republicans, that's what your job is and you are doing it well. The wellbeing of the American people is far more important than which party is in charge.

Frankly I'd be happiest if both of those lines were at 100%, that would indicate that we have 2 parties that everybody approves of, and they just have different ways of approaching problems. It would indicate trust in our elected officials. The graph shows that a total additive approval of over 100% is possible so there can be simultaneous approval of both the republican and democratic party, why not aim for that? A decrease in either parties approval should be disappointing to those who have a stake in politics, not lauded as a trophy over the opposing party (even if, as in this case, the trophy is really really small).
 
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