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New York doctor cleared of Ebola, which means there are no known cases in US [W:115]

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TheDemSocialist said:
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Are you telling me the only thing I have to be afraid of is now only ISIS!?!? :(
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Actually, what this whole manufactured crisis has done is to actively discourage anybody who might want to go to Africa to try and help those who actually are infected.
 
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Wiggen said:
You only follow infectious disease protocols if, you know, somebody is infected. The nurse wasn't infected and showed no signs of infection at any time.
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Wow, stay far, far away from the medical profession. Read the CDC protocols for ebola I posted. Educate yourself a bit and then come back to comment.
 
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Wiggen said:
Actually, what this whole manufactured crisis has done is to actively discourage anybody who might want to go to Africa to try and help those who actually are infected.
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You've been spending way too much time in the conspiracy forum. :lamo
 
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clownboy said:
Wow, stay far, far away from the medical profession. Read the CDC protocols for ebola I posted. Educate yourself a bit and then come back to comment.
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Tthis just in - the nurse never had Ebola. She never showed any symptoms of having Ebola. Christie and the clown in Maine just wanted to look like tough guys. They wound up looking like stupid bullies.
 
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clownboy said:
You've been spending way too much time in the conspiracy forum. :lamo
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It was a manufactured crisis by the media and politicians, both of whom should have known better. Nobody likes a good crisis more than the media, and nobody likes to take advantage of it more than politicians.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
I think you'll find that people who die of viral illnesses are quite ill at the time.
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Yea, you are wrong. The healthy are dying. ie Mr Duncan.
 
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clownboy said:
Then you didn't read the linked material, or don't understand it. Look down at the table for the high risk category (which is this doctor and that moron nurse), Look at the restrictions for asymptomatic individuals:




They define active and direct active monitoring in the previous sections. It's not what you describe. BOTH these individuals went out in public and would not desist until they were placed in quarantine. And btw, there is a difference between quarantine and isolation. I suspect you and others here aren't aware of that.

Remember, only the idiot nurse was asymptomatic. The doctor was symptomatic and the recommended restrictions there are even tighter.
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I wasn't aware of the difference between isolation and quarantine until I read the materials provided. My comments have been solely on the nurse's case and the legality/advisability of the NY, NJ and ME governor's quarantine orders. I don't know whether or not the nurse violated the other provisions of the protocol - did she take public transit, go to public places or come within 3 feet of people - but it is clear that the quarantine orders violated the CDC protocol.
 
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Wiggen said:
Tthis just in - the nurse never had Ebola. She never showed any symptoms of having Ebola. Christie and the clown in Maine just wanted to look like tough guys. They wound up looking like stupid bullies.
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Why do you keep ignorantly ranting on when the knowledge is right there. READ the CDC protocols for ebola FIRST. It's obvious you haven't. The idiot nurse you're defending was in the high risk category, she had direct daily contact with infected individuals. She was asymptomatic. The ONLY way anyone could know she didn't have it was for her to make it through the quarantine period without becoming symptomatic.

Why would you want to label public officials as bullies when they are just trying to follow standard infectious disease protocols and care for the people of their state. Other than your standard partisan motives of course.
 
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Standard partisan motives? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I wasn't aware of the difference between isolation and quarantine until I read the materials provided. My comments have been solely on the nurse's case and the legality/advisability of the NY, NJ and ME governor's quarantine orders. I don't know whether or not the nurse violated the other provisions of the protocol - did she take public transit, go to public places or come within 3 feet of people - but it is clear that the quarantine orders violated the CDC protocol.
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No, the quarantine orders did not violate the CDC protocols, they may have exceeded them for someone asymptomatic. The idiot nurse and this doctor both did however. And yes she did all those things prompting the government reaction.
 
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Wiggen said:
Standard partisan motives? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Good thing to remember if you're you. Now, read the damn protocols and stop spreading the inane conspiracy theories.
 
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clownboy said:
No, the quarantine orders did not violate the CDC protocols, they may have exceeded them for someone asymptomatic. The idiot nurse and this doctor both did however. And yes she did all those things prompting the government reaction.
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"Exceeded" vs "violate" is really trivial semantic parsing. As I read the public health statute, the Feds have the final say on the matter so the governors actions were in fact illegal.

If Hickox traveled by public conveyance or went to work or to a movie theater she should be slapped for that. However I can find no evidence of any of that - other than a bike ride with her boyfriend which appears to be permitted within the guidelines.
 
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Gaius46 said:
"Exceeded" vs "violate" is really trivial semantic parsing. As I read the public health statute, the Feds have the final say on the matter so the governors actions were in fact illegal.

If Hickox traveled by public conveyance or went to work or to a movie theater she should be slapped for that. However I can find no evidence of any of that - other than a bike ride with her boyfriend which appears to be permitted within the guidelines.
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No, there is quite a gulf between the two meanings. Violate means to act against in this context, exceed is to comply and then go further. The doctor who did violate the protocols for those high risk and symptomatic, which you'll notice includes recommended isolation, not just quarantine. The idiot nurse went out in public repeatedly and said she'd continue to do so. The bike ride with her boyfriend is a violation of the protocols for those high risk asymptomatic. Had she ridden alone and away from the public that would have been within protocol.
 
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clownboy said:
And listening to the uninformed (you) telling us to not follow standard infectious disease protocols is sheer idiocy. Please, at least educate yourself before you go off calling these measures panic.
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Blah blah blah....you think you are informed, but you are just feeding baseless hysteria. The system worked, the adults handled it while the blaring fear mongers on TV and radio just scared everyone for ratings.
 
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The personal and off-topic comments and baiting need to stop, guys. Stick to commenting on the topic, not each other.

There is also pending moderation on posts made before this warning.
 
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clownboy said:
No, there is quite a gulf between the two meanings. Violate means to act against in this context, exceed is to comply and then go further. The doctor who did violate the protocols for those high risk and symptomatic, which you'll notice includes recommended isolation, not just quarantine. The idiot nurse went out in public repeatedly and said she'd continue to do so. The bike ride with her boyfriend is a violation of the protocols for those high risk asymptomatic. Had she ridden alone and away from the public that would have been within protocol.
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The order would still be illegal. Why was the bike ride a violation? Do you know that she came within 3' of anyone or are you speculating?

I assume here that her boyfriend doesn't count as "the public" since I think they live together.
 
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Gaius46 said:
The order would still be illegal. Why was the bike ride a violation. Do you know that she came within 3' of anyone or are you speculating?
I assume here that her boyfriend doesn't count as "the public" since I think they live together.
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Not speculating, going on what she has said in the press. And her boyfriend living with her during this time is a definite violation unless he too is quarantined under the guidelines for the entire period required.
 
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beefheart said:
Blah blah blah....you think you are informed, but you are just feeding baseless hysteria. The system worked, the adults handled it while the blaring fear mongers on TV and radio just scared everyone for ratings.
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Either you didn't read the CDC protocols posted or you did and now want to ignore them because they don't suit whatever script you're reading from.
 
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clownboy said:
Either you didn't read the CDC protocols posted or you did and now want to ignore them because they don't suit whatever script you're reading from.
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Busted, I am reading from a script, the New World Order Inc. pays me 25 Ameros for every post I make that you don't like.

Gotta go, I'm late for the Bohemian Grove planning session...salmon or chicken kiev? So many choices.
 
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clownboy said:
Either you didn't read the CDC protocols posted or you did and now want to ignore them because they don't suit whatever script you're reading from.
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Watch it, the mods have clearly taken a side here.
 
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clownboy said:
Not speculating, going on what she has said in the press. And her boyfriend living with her during this time is a definite violation unless he too is quarantined under the guidelines for the entire period required.
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I read her comments as inconclusive with regard to whether she got close enough to others to violate the protocol but I admit that I haven't read everything she may have said.

The boyfriend would seem to fall into the "some risk" category, not "high risk." That just calls for direct active monitoring with additional precautions as determined by public health authorities. And neither he nor she would, as per the CDC, be subject to quarantine unless/until they became symptomatic.
 
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beefheart said:
Busted, I am reading from a script, the New World Order Inc. pays me 25 Ameros for every post I make that you don't like.

Gotta go, I'm late for the Bohemian Grove planning session...salmon or chicken kiev? So many choices.
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Thanks for outing yourself and putting the lie to your displayed lean. But this thread isn't about you. I posted the real deal, the CDC's protocols for ebola, all you had to do was read it. You apparently are comfortable choosing another path. That choice is on you.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I read her comments as inconclusive with regard to whether she got close enough to others to violate the protocol but I admit that I haven't read everything she may have said.

The boyfriend would seem to fall into the "some risk" category, not "high risk." That just calls for direct active monitoring with additional precautions as determined by public health authorities. And neither he nor she would, as per the CDC, be subject to quarantine unless/until they became symptomatic.
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I think you're still confusing quarantine with isolation. And protocol is, when two people are living together, the more restrictive protocol is in place. Surely you can see how this is a wise move.
 
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clownboy said:
Either you didn't read the CDC protocols posted or you did and now want to ignore them because they don't suit whatever script you're reading from.
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How dare the CDC implement a protocol that could restrict the movement of a person that "knows better". LOL
 
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clownboy said:
I think you're still confusing quarantine with isolation. And protocol is, when two people are living together, the more restrictive protocol is in place. Surely you can see how this is a wise move.
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That's not what the CDC guidelines say.

In fact I got it wrong. Some risk is defined as follows:


Some risk includes any of the following:

In countries with widespread Ebola virus transmission: direct contact while using appropriate PPE with a person with Ebola while the person was symptomatic
Close contact in households, healthcare facilities, or community settings with a person with Ebola while the person was symptomatic
Close contact is defined as being for a prolonged period of time while not wearing appropriate PPE within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of a person with Ebola while the person was symptomatic


So he doesn't even qualify as that. Nor does he qualify as low risk as for that you still need to be in contact with someone who is symptomatic.
 
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