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Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them [W:182]

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Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U.S.

Former Nazi officials, including one notorious Dachau camp doctor who was involved in human experimentation, played leading roles in NASA. Thanks to the precursor to the CIA (OSO) and the Reagan White House, particularly Pat Buchanan.

Thoughts?

Right, that was Operation Paperclip, right? We've known about this for, what, forever now?
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Right, that was Operation Paperclip, right? We've known about this for, what, forever now?

So nonchalant about it. :) In a way, you are correct. But there is a new book out that supposedly delves a little deeper into the investigations. I haven't read the book yet, only the article referenced above. But it's good to know it's not a big deal to some (many?) republicans. Thanks.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Germany produces the best scientists and engineers.......why would we not have taken advantage of that. It's funny how we welcomed those folks.......yet almost 70 years later we are still trying to hunt down, denaturalize and deport common German soldiers who were like 19 years old at the end of the war.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Germany produces the best scientists and engineers.......why would we not have taken advantage of that. It's funny how we welcomed those folks.......yet almost 70 years later we are still trying to hunt down, denaturalize and deport common German soldiers who were like 19 years old at the end of the war.

It would depend on the level of their guilt, of course. There's no statute of limitations on murder.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

So nonchalant about it. :) In a way, you are correct. But there is a new book out that supposedly delves a little deeper into the investigations. I haven't read the book yet, only the article referenced above. But it's good to know it's not a big deal to some (many?) republicans. Thanks.

I'm not nonchalant about it, I just don't see how it's especially breaking news. But anyway, for those guilty of atrocities, I don't mind the idea of using their expertise to advance our technology, then taking them out back and shooting them.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Germany produces the best scientists and engineers.......why would we not have taken advantage of that. It's funny how we welcomed those folks.......yet almost 70 years later we are still trying to hunt down, denaturalize and deport common German soldiers who were like 19 years old at the end of the war.

I wouldn't say they were 19 at the time of the war. The doctor at Dachau had to be in his late 20's, perhaps 30's. These were not "common German soldiers," but Nazi commanders in charge of slave labor and weapons manufacturing.

It may have been scientifically beneficial to the US, but the moral dilemma remains. We did the same with the Japanese doctors who were responsible for torturing thousands of innocent civilians during experiments on par with Joseph Mengele. It may have been economically/scientifically beneficial to the country, but it is morally wrong.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

They made a movie about the most famous Nazi to be honored here, Werner Von Braun. The title of the movie was 'I Aim for the Stars', to which comedian Mort Sahl added 'but sometimes I hit London'.

Our welcoming of these Nazis will forever be a dark stain on our national conscience.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Breaking news from 1984... ;)
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

World leading scientists captured in war should be used to the benefit of the state.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Breaking news from 1984... ;)

It was a bad yearbook, that.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

World leading scientists captured in war should be used to the benefit of the state.

I might be able to accept the 'used' part, as long as they weren't participants in war crimes and they aren't treated as heroes. Von Braun, alas, fails on both those counts.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

So nonchalant about it. :) In a way, you are correct. But there is a new book out that supposedly delves a little deeper into the investigations. I haven't read the book yet, only the article referenced above. But it's good to know it's not a big deal to some (many?) republicans. Thanks.

I am not Republican and it is okay by me to have given criminals deals, where the trade was worth it.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Germany produces the best scientists and engineers.......why would we not have taken advantage of that. It's funny how we welcomed those folks.......yet almost 70 years later we are still trying to hunt down, denaturalize and deport common German soldiers who were like 19 years old at the end of the war.

Huh?
The Secretary of Agriculture for the nazi regime ended up as a professor at Fresno State University in the 70's and 80's.
There was no push to deport him. Those that were guilty of war crimes though......
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

I might be able to accept the 'used' part, as long as they weren't participants in war crimes and they aren't treated as heroes. Von Braun, alas, fails on both those counts.

I can agree with not treating them as heroes, but wasting top scientists is stupid. They're no longer part of a genocidal organization. They have no power. They are no threat. What sense does it make to trash ones own tech development to make a symbolic statement at a price that reaches national levels.

It would be like throwing war treasure in the ocean.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Old news.

Any shock value you thought this thread would have is nonexistent.

One of the smartest things America and the Soviets ever did after WWII was snatch up Nazi Germany's scientific elite. One of the best ideas we had in that era. I guess the bleeding heart types cry at the thought, but then again, they're never in charge of things.....thank God.

Also, it's common knowledge that Germans have a weird knack for physics.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U.S.

Former Nazi officials, including one notorious Dachau camp doctor who was involved in human experimentation, played leading roles in NASA. Thanks to the precursor to the CIA (OSO) and the Reagan White House, particularly Pat Buchanan.

Thoughts?

The Nazi's helped us with a lot of things. After WW2, much of the medical expiriements performed on Nazi prisoners helped move medical science forward. A lot of those expiriements were documented. After the war, we took a lot of that information back to the US. As well as imported german engineers and scientists back to the US. Most people today just don't realize how far ahead other countries Germany was prior to WW2. It took the allies several years to catch up to Germans military technology. The only reason Germany did not win WW2 was because of attrition. The disruption the allied bombing caused along with the massive amounts of troops the allies threw at Germany seriously undermined their ability to continue building new and improved military equipment. They stagnated in military technology allowing the West and its allies to catch up. Some of the military technology Germany was capable of is just now coming out in the west today.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U.S.

Former Nazi officials, including one notorious Dachau camp doctor who was involved in human experimentation, played leading roles in NASA. Thanks to the precursor to the CIA (OSO) and the Reagan White House, particularly Pat Buchanan.

Thoughts?

It is surpassingly stupid to tie this to RWR or Pat Buchanan. The program you are talking about was under way before WW2 ended and by 1980 most of the participants were dead or at least retired. The Soviets had a similar WW2 program, btw. The two sides raced to find and take possession of the best German scientists.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U.S.

Former Nazi officials, including one notorious Dachau camp doctor who was involved in human experimentation, played leading roles in NASA. Thanks to the precursor to the CIA (OSO) and the Reagan White House, particularly Pat Buchanan.

Thoughts?

Not exactly news... anyone with a half decent history teacher in school should know this..
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

I wouldn't say they were 19 at the time of the war. The doctor at Dachau had to be in his late 20's, perhaps 30's. These were not "common German soldiers," but Nazi commanders in charge of slave labor and weapons manufacturing.

It may have been scientifically beneficial to the US, but the moral dilemma remains. We did the same with the Japanese doctors who were responsible for torturing thousands of innocent civilians during experiments on par with Joseph Mengele. It may have been economically/scientifically beneficial to the country, but it is morally wrong.

Most of the 'Nazis' that the OSI has tried to denaturalize were alleged to be concentration camp guards who were in their early 20's at the end of the war.............most die before the deportation proceedings are completed.........I wonder how much longer we will continue to fund this OSI to track down people in their 90s.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Well Reagan was here to streamline government, especially that part that examines government operations. His criminal tendencies were seen very clearly in the Iran-Contra affairs.

Why not coverup hiring war criminals?
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Well Reagan was here to streamline government, especially that part that examines government operations. His criminal tendencies were seen very clearly in the Iran-Contra affairs.

Why not coverup hiring war criminals?

There was never a cover-up. Their pasts were known from the beginning. The question was whether to waive the standards applied to others because of their overriding value.
 
Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Our welcoming of these Nazis will forever be a dark stain on our national conscience.

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Re: Nazis Helped Get Us To The Moon. The Reagan White House Helped Keep Them In The U

Our country was built, in large part, on the premise that the ends justify the means.
 
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