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Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to

Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

That is the actual quote. In the op. "And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

Enjoy your thread before it's flushed.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Nonsense. You can't point to anything in the speech that says any of that. Well, I can't keep debating someone who makes things up.

The quote in the op says exactly that. "And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Enjoy your thread before it's flushed.

"And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

:shrug:
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

This crap is getting scary! What he said, or meant to say, is not the issue, IMO. The fact that some are even thinking along these lines is what bothers me. Is this another step in a path they want the populous to get used to, and eventually accept as normal? Total allegiance to the government who knows by some mysterious means what is best for everyone? Many will probably hail this as an advancement in human evolution where everyone becomes a flesh and blood robot, and Orwell will be proven right. Unfortunately, he meant it as a warning of what not to allow to happen! :afraid:

Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

I can't hardly believe that Obama would be making or even thinking that pre-schoolers should be raised in state schools. That's such a non-starter for so many to be an impossible political position to hold.

I have to believe that he's just misstating, and is wanting to help out mom's who want to work but can't for whatever reasons.

If I'm wrong, and he really does think that the state should raise the young, then he's not going to be able to make that happen. It just simply won't.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

The quote in the op says exactly that. "And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."


As you know, you are taking it out of context. But for others reading this thread, the choice he doesn't want them to make is having to choose between decent wages and taking a few years out of the workforce to raise their kids.

And now I'm done responding to mac.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

The quote in the op says exactly that. "And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

Here's a link to the speech.

I read it over, but couldn't find any part that says we don't want Americans to choose to stay home and raise their kids. I must have missed it.

Perhaps you could point it out for us.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Here's a link to the speech.

I read it over, but couldn't find any part that says we don't want Americans to choose to stay home and raise their kids. I must have missed it.

Perhaps you could point it out for us.

It wasn't there.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

As you know, you are taking it out of context. But for others reading this thread, the choice he doesn't want them to make is having to choose between decent wages and taking a few years out of the workforce to raise their kids.

And now I'm done responding to mac.

No it's in context. It can only be assumed to be out of context if you assume he meant to say it differently.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Here's a link to the speech.

I read it over, but couldn't find any part that says we don't want Americans to choose to stay home and raise their kids. I must have missed it.

Perhaps you could point it out for us.

I did. It's directly quoted in the OP. He says other things in the speech, but he also said what's right there in the OP. "And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

It wasn't there.

"And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

I did. It's directly quoted in the OP. He says other things in the speech, but he also said what's right there in the OP. "And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

Here it is:

THE PRESIDENT: True. (Laughter.) And too often, parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper daycare that maybe doesn’t have the kinds of programming that makes a big difference in a child’s development. And sometimes there may just not be any slots, or the best programs may be too far away. And sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.

Is that really the part being quoted as an example of how Obama wants mothers to go to work and leave their kids in state run preschools?

Or, does it have more to do with the lifetime earnings of women?
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

There's no question that Obama believes it'd be better to have the child spend less time in a family environment and more in the control of the community.

That reminds me that there was a recent study showing a link between those that spend more time in day care as a child and violent behavior when they are adults.
 
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That reminds me that there was a recent study showing a link between those that spend more time in day care as a child and violent behavior when they are adults.
Color me not surprised.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Here it is:



Is that really the part being quoted as an example of how Obama wants mothers to go to work and leave their kids in state run preschools?

Or, does it have more to do with the lifetime earnings of women?
Referring to his actual words, what choice do YOU think he's suggesting Americans shouldn't make?
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

I can't hardly believe that Obama would be making or even thinking that pre-schoolers should be raised in state schools. That's such a non-starter for so many to be an impossible political position to hold.

I have to believe that he's just misstating, and is wanting to help out mom's who want to work but can't for whatever reasons.

If I'm wrong, and he really does think that the state should raise the young, then he's not going to be able to make that happen. It just simply won't.

Those that like the idea of having no responsibility for their children, except for birthing them, will hail this! We're already seeing it. The rest of us will tell them to pedal their garbage elsewhere.

I remember seeing pictures of the children in Romania and how they suffered as a result of Romanian dictator Ceausesco's decision to do exactly what is being proposed here. He and his wife were executed by firing squad in 1989 - 120 bullets were found in their bodies, BTW, and the people cheered! Just saying....
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Here it is:



Is that really the part being quoted as an example of how Obama wants mothers to go to work and leave their kids in state run preschools?

Or, does it have more to do with the lifetime earnings of women?

What it has more to do with is irrelevant. You can infer that he meant to say that that's not a choice we want Americans to HAVE to make, but that's not what he said. Had he said that, I would agree with you. In fact, I think that may have been what he meant to say. But he didn't say it, he may have meant to say exactly what he said. If you want to analyse it, that's fine, but one possible analysis of what he "really" meant to say is that he thinks it's more important for women to stay in the workforce earning money than it is to stay at home with the kids so that they can maintain the same wages as men that don't stay home with the kids instead of working. It could also be inferred...since we're inferring...that he thinks kids should be in govt run institutions rather than at home.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Those that like the idea of having no responsibility for their children, except for birthing them, will hail this! We're already seeing it. The rest of us will tell them to pedal their garbage elsewhere.

I remember seeing pictures of the children in Romania and how they suffered as a result of Romanian dictator Ceausesco's decision to do exactly what is being proposed here. He and his wife were executed by firing squad in 1989 - 120 bullets were found in their bodies, BTW, and the people cheered! Just saying....

All President Obama is proposing is that parents have access to high-quality day cares for their children for when those times that one or both parents can't be at home. And that women's wages shouldn't suffer if they take a couple years out of the workforce to stay home with their children.

Wow. And now you are comparing him to Romania. Huh. Quite a leap.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

I can't hardly believe that Obama would be making or even thinking that pre-schoolers should be raised in state schools. That's such a non-starter for so many to be an impossible political position to hold.

I have to believe that he's just misstating, and is wanting to help out mom's who want to work but can't for whatever reasons.

If I'm wrong, and he really does think that the state should raise the young, then he's not going to be able to make that happen. It just simply won't.

The idea is to create an endless supply of gov't depended folks, that require an ever growing huge nanny state, to keep them voting for more of their "fair share" of the American pie. Drop out of school, get a McJob (or not) and breed like bunnies - no problem since the huge federal nanny state will make that personal choice (wise decision?) work out just fine. Some need gov't (it takes a village?) to supply that which they would otherwise need to use their own labor to secure; it is best for America's children that way - just ask Obama. ;)
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

He said he doesn't want American moms to do it, but instead to put them in state sponsored schools and get back to work.

I'm sure you have a quote of him saying "I don't want moms to raise their children"
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

All President Obama is proposing is that parents have access to high-quality day cares for their children for when those times that one or both parents can't be at home. And that women's wages shouldn't suffer if they take a couple years out of the workforce to stay home with their children.

Wow. And now you are comparing him to Romania. Huh. Quite a leap.

...happen to work in the White House. Obama should clear that little problem up before he lectures others on such subjects.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

Nonsense. There is no "free" program to allow lower wage households to see a net financial benefit from paying others to raise their children.

Umm, if it's free (and there are a # of free pre-school programs), then they don't have to pay
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

What it has more to do with is irrelevant. You can infer that he meant to say that that's not a choice we want Americans to HAVE to make, but that's not what he said. Had he said that, I would agree with you. In fact, I think that may have been what he meant to say. But he didn't say it, he may have meant to say exactly what he said. If you want to analyse it, that's fine, but one possible analysis of what he "really" meant to say is that he thinks it's more important for women to stay in the workforce earning money than it is to stay at home with the kids so that they can maintain the same wages as men that don't stay home with the kids instead of working. It could also be inferred...since we're inferring...that he thinks kids should be in govt run institutions rather than at home.

If the goal is really income parity with men, then women really do need to be able to choose to stay in the workforce.

As I said before, the comment has more to do with justifying lower wages for women than it does with some government plot to take children out of the home and indoctrinate them in government run preschools.
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

I'm sure you have a quote of him saying "I don't want moms to raise their children"

"Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."
 
Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

If the goal is really income parity with men, then women really do need to be able to choose to stay in the workforce.

Many do, many don't. Obama clearly want's them to stay in the workforce rather than raise their children.

As I said before, the comment has more to do with justifying lower wages for women than it does with some government plot to take children out of the home and indoctrinate them in government run preschools.

Maybe. And he's also saying that they have lower wages because they left the workforce for a period of time rather than simply because they are women. That's significant. However, he clearly said he doesn't want women to leave the workforce to raise their children. He want's them put in schools instead. Whatever his motive, and we can infer all the motives we like, that's what he said.
 
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