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Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to

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dittohead not! said:
and the idea that the government is somehow involved in a plot to make sure all kids are in state run daycares based on one sentence spoken by the potus is about as absurd of a conspiracy theory as i've heard, and there have been some pretty absurd ones promoted on this forum.
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exactly!
 
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Capster78 said:
Obama has already muttered the nonsensical and already debunked figures of wage inequality. He is obviously a feminist thinking person. Feminism is in bed with socialism and marxism which is all about the state raising the kids. Is it really surprising that he would support such propaganda based on the roots he came from and the people he surrounded himself with before he was president. He may have tempered his marxist and socialist tendencies in order got elected, but they are still there and they have effected policy.
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I nominate that post for the "barefoot and pregnant" award.
 
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mac said:
and very few places other than food service actually pay minimum wage...at least if you work there for a little while.

Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted
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Exactly.
Even around here - where our state min wage is lower than the fed government (the only state in which this is the case) it's common to find jobs that pay $8.00 - $10.00 / hr.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I nominate that post for the "barefoot and pregnant" award.
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The only difference between this line of thinking and misogyny is the option a woman has to be a real woman is different. Feminists and Misogynists are strange bedfellows in that they both want to control women's lives.
 
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Typical short sighted opinion.

It's more important to FAR too many Americans to throw their children in daycare to be raised by strangers which allows (usually) Mom to make enough money to buy that swimming pool then it is for a parent (usually Mom) to stay at home and raise their child in a place that offers unconditional love.

Anyone that can afford to raise their child but instead throws them in daycare because they want a career is a failure as a parent in my opinion.
And if anyone is offended by that statement...GOOD.
 
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Mycroft said:
Americans wouldn't have to make that choice if the government didn't cause Mom to have to be in the workplace...in the first place.

Thanks to almost a hundred years of liberals changing our society, Moms have no choice...they have to work. So what is the liberal solution?...more nanny state.

Obama...the sooner you and your ilk are gone, the better.
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I'm not sure where you come up with this idea that government forces Mom to work?
 
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roguenuke said:
But that in itself is a problem. They are even unwilling to recognize any experience that women do gain by staying home with their children, especially in jobs where the pay is based on experience but experience at home could easily transfer if they would actually look at it.
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If it were directly relatable experience, an employer would pay for that experience. In almost all cases, it isn't - which is why the employers are not placing a premium on that experience.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
For those of you extolling having a parent stay at home with the children - assuming they are a good parent, that is great for the kids.
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I agree. Certainly not an option for single parents. However, one, that is not what Obama was discussing in the original quote. Two, the government should, at the very least, not encourage single parents and should try to discourage, as much as possible - as it is not the ideal situation. Of course there are single parents that are single parents through no fault of their own. That is a minority of the issue, though.
 
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Mycroft said:
Americans wouldn't have to make that choice if the government didn't cause Mom to have to be in the workplace...in the first place.

Thanks to almost a hundred years of liberals changing our society, Moms have no choice...they have to work. So what is the liberal solution?...more nanny state.

Obama...the sooner you and your ilk are gone, the better.
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How, exactly, did the government cause mom's to need to work outside of the home?
 
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mac said:
While I editorialized the title of this thread, here's what was said:

"Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to Make' | The Weekly Standard

Now, what I would hope what he meant to say was something like "...that's not a choice we want Americans TO HAVE to make...", that's simply not what he actually said.
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In fact, staying home with the kids IS a choice we WANT people to make. Instead of handing them off to the govt to raise in govt schools. We also want them to CHOOSE to be able to afford to stay home BEFORE they have children, not after, when they need ME to pay for it.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
How, exactly, did the government cause mom's to need to work outside of the home?
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Through the cost of government.

At one time an average man could afford to provide for a wife and family but those days are gone. The difference is the rise of the role of government in family life, the decline in personal responsibility, and the expectation by many that someone, somewhere, will somehow pay for these extra government services. The fact is that it is the middle class, the group central to social well being, who always pays. That is why the middle class is shrinking, the two parent family is becoming rarer, and social unrest growing.

Ironically, the response by many has been to ask the government to do something about the problem.
 
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buck said:
I agree. Certainly not an option for single parents. However, one, that is not what Obama was discussing in the original quote. Two, the government should, at the very least, not encourage single parents and should try to discourage, as much as possible - as it is not the ideal situation. Of course there are single parents that are single parents through no fault of their own. That is a minority of the issue, though.
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Pres. Obama was discussing having high quality day care/preschools available for people who need that for their children. THAT was totally lost in the original op.

I know life is tougher as a single parent. But is it tougher than having an abuser as one of the parents? And if conservatives so want two parent families, and if they think govt. should encourage that, then why did they fight so hard against same sex marriage?

I definitely would NOT try to discourage single parents by giving them no day care/preschool options. That would be bad, mmmkay?
 
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Grant said:
Through the cost of government.

At one time an average man could afford to provide for a wife and family but those days are gone. The difference is the rise of the role of government in family life, the decline in personal responsibility, and the expectation by many that someone, somewhere, will somehow pay for these extra government services. The fact is that it is the middle class, the group central to social well being, who always pays. That is why the middle class is shrinking, the two parent family is becoming rarer, and social unrest growing.

Ironically, the response by many has been to ask the government to do something about the problem.
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Um, the cost of govt is NOT why families with single breadwinners are struggling. Check into Income Inequality, wage stagnation and such. The govt. didn't cause it. Decline of strong labor unions and the growing income gap caused it.
 
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Grant said:
Through the cost of government.

At one time an average man could afford to provide for a wife and family but those days are gone. The difference is the rise of the role of government in family life, the decline in personal responsibility, and the expectation by many that someone, somewhere, will somehow pay for these extra government services. The fact is that it is the middle class, the group central to social well being, who always pays. That is why the middle class is shrinking, the two parent family is becoming rarer, and social unrest growing.

Ironically, the response by many has been to ask the government to do something about the problem.
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That (bolded above) assertion needs some facts to back it up.

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Federal Income Taxes on Middle-Income Families Remain Near Historic Lows — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
 
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paddymcdougall said:
Um, the cost of govt is NOT why families with single breadwinners are struggling. Check into Income Inequality, wage stagnation and such. The govt. didn't cause it. Decline of strong labor unions and the growing income gap caused it.
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Do you feel it is government's role to judge 'income equality'? 'Wage stagnation'? Have they ever demonstrated any success in these areas?

Labor unions certainly served a purpose at one time but the law also now plays a role in worker safety and rights.
 
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Grant said:
Of course there are far more taxes than those on the income tax forms, which is why many don't realize just how much taxes have increased..
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Indeed, so will you show us those evil causes for making moms work?

I will posit that it is more likely the fault of "the Jones's" which all feel the need to keep up with (coupled with inflation). What has increased is the "need" for larger homes, multiple vehicles (and other tech toys) and all manner of convenience and home entertainment products. It is not so much that the same personally purchased items cost more now, than they did in say 1950 or 1970, it is that we now "need" many more items of higher quality/capacity to be seen as middle class.


Comparing the inflated cost of living today from 1950 to 2014: How declining purchasing power has hurt the middle class since 1950.

America 1950 vs. America 2012

Data reveal that the average working American is better off today than in the 1950s, and 'wage stagnation' is a myth » AEI
 
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paddymcdougall said:
Pres. Obama was discussing having high quality day care/preschools available for people who need that for their children. THAT was totally lost in the original op.
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This is the quote from Obama:
Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
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This is about parents that have a choice of leaving the workplace. I don't know that single parents have much of a choice on the matter.

I know life is tougher as a single parent. But is it tougher than having an abuser as one of the parents? And if conservatives so want two parent families, and if they think govt. should encourage that, then why did they fight so hard against same sex marriage?
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I did indicate that there are some parents that have no choice in the manner. However, again, those are the minority of single parent households. And, I also do not believe that two dads or two moms are near the ideal either.

I definitely would NOT try to discourage single parents by giving them no day care/preschool options. That would be bad, mmmkay?
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No, but I would be willing to bet you would certainly encourage single parents by helping the government replace one of the parents (typically the father's role) as much as possible - including the government paying for day care when that really shouldn't be their role.
 
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Grant said:
Through the cost of government.

At one time an average man could afford to provide for a wife and family but those days are gone. The difference is the rise of the role of government in family life, the decline in personal responsibility, and the expectation by many that someone, somewhere, will somehow pay for these extra government services. The fact is that it is the middle class, the group central to social well being, who always pays. That is why the middle class is shrinking, the two parent family is becoming rarer, and social unrest growing.

Ironically, the response by many has been to ask the government to do something about the problem.
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The cost of government is part of it...but it goes deeper than that.

It is the liberal-dominated government that we've had for the last 50 years or so. Liberals have always tried to "change America". Obama even ran on that in 2008. Combine that with laws and regulations designed to increase government control and government responsibility and the result is a society that has given up the values of the 50's. The values that made people think it's important for a man to provide for his family and for a woman to make a home for him and their children.

And, as you say, it is ironic...but it's not surprising...that now we expect the liberal government to correct the situation they brought about. Too many people now expect the government to fix stuff that they used to handle themselves.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) assertion needs some facts to back it up.

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Federal Income Taxes on Middle-Income Families Remain Near Historic Lows — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
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The only reason middle-class taxes haven't skyrocketed is because our government is content with operating at a deficit. If they actually collected the taxes necessary to fund our bloated government, EVERYONE...poor, middle-class and the rich...would see their taxes explode.

But, of course, politicians won't raise the necessary funds and they can't resist spending.

So it goes.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Maybe he's making a commentary on how our society is inherently sexist as it is the expectation that the mother make such a sacrifice to stay home and raise the kids, while the father tends to be inexplicably immune from this expectation.
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What exactly is sexist about expecting the most common arrangement to be that which is most natural?
 
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President Obama obviously misspeaks, and 140 plus posts later its still being debated…. Kind of pathetic.
 
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Paleocon said:
What exactly is sexist about expecting the most common arrangement to be that which is most natural?
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The "most natural" would be a hunting and gathering society with no such thing as jobs at all.

Why the **** would we want to regress to the idiocy that is "most natural"?
 
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buck said:
This is the quote from Obama:

This is about parents that have a choice of leaving the workplace. I don't know that single parents have much of a choice on the matter.
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Actually, here is a fuller and more complete quote
“Too often parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper day care that maybe doesn’t have the kinds of programming that makes a big difference in a child’s development. Sometimes, someone, usually Mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. That’s not a choice we want Americans to make.”
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emphasis mine

He is not saying he doesn't want americans to choose to stay home. He's saying the choice should not be between cheap and inadequate day care or stop working and stay home to take care of the children
 
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sangha said:
Actually, here is a fuller and more complete quote


emphasis mine

He is not saying he doesn't want americans to choose to stay home. He's saying the choice should not be between cheap and inadequate day care or stop working and stay home to take care of the children
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Anyone with even an ounce of intellectual honesty can see that, but that does exclude some hacks of course. Day care is insanely expensive in many cities. When we had our son in daycare from 2000 - 2005 or so, for a good Montessori Day School, it was a little over 800 dollars a month. That is nearly 10 grand a year until your kid is old enough to be in kindergarten (and even then you still have after school care and here in JoCo Kansas, another 300 dollars a month for all day kindergarten).
 
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