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School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

Navy Pride said:
Under a far left administration this is what is happening in our country.


School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists | Fox News



By Todd Starnes
Published October 27, 2014FoxNews.com


(Courtesy Sommer Bauer)


The mother of an eight-year-old wants to know why a Tennessee school teacher gave her child a handout from the Nation of Islam that portrayed the presidents on Mount Rushmore as being racists.
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How can stating facts possibly be portraying them in a bad light? Their actions portrayed them in a bad light. Are you trying to claim our founding fathers didn't own slaves?

And wtf does this have to do with Obama? Senility, NP?
 
Wiggen said:
How incredibly ironic that you include a quote by Jefferson, a man who owned slaves all his life and even at his death, unlike Washington, refused to free them.
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Indeed. As I pointed out to you, it was a contradiction the Founders were keenly aware of. Which is why your claim that "What the Founders did was basically ignore it [slavery] and pretend it didn't exist was and remains historically illiterate.
 
Wiggen said:
How about just recognizing the fact that some of these people were deeply flawed human beings, and pointing it out should not be condemned. Why is it so difficult for some of you to accept that fact?
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All human beings are flawed, some more than others. But these men should be recognized for they did in creating a country out of nothing, and have it last for almost 240 years. This is certainly longer than most every other country in the world and a magnificent achievement.

But Ben Franking saw the weaknesses being exhibited to day when he responded to “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” with “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

It looks like the present generation is throwing this Republic away.
 
Wiggen said:
How exactly did the Founders 'highlight' this tension? What the Founders did was basically ignore it and pretend it didn't exist. The Civil War and 100 years of Jim Crow was the price paid for this hypocrisy.
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That slanderous "history" sounds like something from an old issue of Soviet Life, or maybe an Oliver Stone movie. In leftist propaganda, the United States is inherently rotten because of the rottenness of the white men who created it. It's sort of a secular version of the Christian doctrine than mankind is inherently tainted because of original sin.

In 1787, the central problem for Americans was survival, with the narrowest of victories over the world's most powerful nation only four years in the past and no guarantee that it or some other foreign power would not attack the states again. Washington had been plagued throughout the war by as shortage of troops, partly because the Articles of Confederation hadn't been a strong enough central authority under which to raise them. The problem of mutual defense demanded that a new nation with enough authority to create an adequate military be formed, and quickly.

Far from what you so glibly assert, slavery was a very difficult problem for the delegates to the Constitutional Convention. The three parts of the Constitution that address slavery were all hard-fought compromises. In this place at that time, those were the best compromises that could be achieved consistent with having a United States at all. The problem remained, but it was resolved by the deaths of three hundred thousand or more Union men, almost all of them white, in the Civil War. In proportion to the population, that was at least six or seven times as many dead as this country lost during World War Two.

Of course for those who like to run this country down, nothing could ever be enough. It's a horrible, wicked place with a sinful past--and yet many of them seem to like living here well enough.
 
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Wiggen said:
I don't know what school you went to, but throughout my school life I was taught that these people were demi-gods and I and my school mates were fed pablum about how they created this perfect society. It wasn't until I got to college that some of their flaws were pointed out - like owning slaves, for example. I fully admit they did some good things. But to ignore the great tragedy of this country - which is slavery - is to exist in a fantasyland.
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Nobody is ignoring it and that you thought they were demi-Gods is only a problem for you. Good things? They did great things! You've already been given a list of their feelings about slavery so why condemn these men for something that was largely beyond their control? In fact a civil war had to be fought in order that this wrong was made right.

What would you have had them do, apart from creating a hugely successful blueprint for a new country?
 
Wiggen said:
Well, let's face it. You may be the only 'black' person who actually likes the KKK. Hard to take anything you say on slavery and racism seriously.
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That's an ugly thing to say. You must be a Democrat, right?
 
cpwill said:
No. Slavery in colonial North America included Blacks, Native Americans, and to a limited extent, Whites. Slavery is an evil system, but racism is separate from it.
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Along with that, there were indians that owned black slaves.
 
apdst said:
Along with that, there were indians that owned black slaves.
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Yeah, but the only reason they owned slaves was because they were Indians :roll:
 
cpwill said:
Yeah, but the only reason they owned slaves was because they were Indians :roll:
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Indians must all be racists, too. Wait, is it racist to say indian slave owners were racist?
 
apdst said:
Indians must all be racists, too. Wait, is it racist to say indian slave owners were racist?
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Hm.... I think given the Immutable Law Of White Guilt, we would have to come to the conclusion that Indians were only slave-owners because Evil White People stole their land and forced them into farming, which was a slave-heavy industry at the time. So Indians aren't racist, but victims for owning slaves. Owning slaves is only racist when Whites do it, except when Indians do it, when it is indirectly racist, but indirectly racist of the Whites, because they are the ones making them do it.
 
cpwill said:
Hm.... I think given the Immutable Law Of White Guilt, we would have to come to the conclusion that Indians were only slave-owners because Evil White People stole their land and forced them into farming, which was a slave-heavy industry at the time. So Indians aren't racist, but victims for owning slaves. Owning slaves is only racist when Whites do it, except when Indians do it, when it is indirectly racist, but indirectly racist of the Whites, because they are the ones making them do it.
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Indian slave owners were trying to act white.
 
apdst said:
Indian slave owners were trying to act white.
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yeah, but that's just the kind of self-hating racism that is really the result of the racism of the White Man.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Slavery can be based on other things besides race.
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cpwill said:
yeah, but that's just the kind of self-hating racism that is really the result of the racism of the White Man.
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Indirect oppression of black folks through the social expoitation of the indians. The indians probably agreed yo enslave black folks in exchange for all those casinos.
 
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Enough. Cease the personal attacks and the sniping or face the consequences of your poor choices.
 
Someone needs to tell the Muslims to stop slapping their wives everyday, it's ruffles up the burqas.
 
Wiggen said:
No, he's about as far to the Right as you can get. He'd David Duke Right. And he sure does love him some KKK. Hard to believe for a 'black' guy, isn't it? Or maybe it isn't for you.
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But the KKK was started by Democrats.

You failed to relate to that relevant fact for some reason.

I'm guessing you were too fired up in your racist rant to make the correlations between racist that organization and the Democrats checkered history.

You should take a few deep breaths before posting next time.

Might save you some embarrassment
 
You're right! How could I have forgotten that the Democrats started the KKK? And the Republicans established once and for all that the Federal Government was supreme and the concept of 'states' rights' was no longer applicable?

Who would have possibly guessed that 150 years later, the Democrats would be the party of the minorities and the Republicans would be the party of fat cat racists constantly complaining about the big bad Federal Government?

Funny how times change, isn't it?
 
Wiggen said:
You're right! How could I have forgotten that the Democrats started the KKK? And the Republicans established once and for all that the Federal Government was supreme and the concept of 'states' rights' was no longer applicable?

Who would have possibly guessed that 150 years later, the Democrats would be the party of the minorities and the Republicans would be the party of fat cat racists constantly complaining about the big bad Federal Government?

Funny how times change, isn't it?
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You understand so little.

Times haven't changed a bit.

Democrats just traded overt racism for policies that control the minorities through polices that perpetuate mediocrity and poverty.

Its still slavery bub, and your nonsensical rhetoric is helping to perpetuate these very policies that bind people based on the color of their skin.

Consider that the next time you call someone a racist
 
I wonder why certain conservatives here still continue think "Democrats started the KKK!" is some kind of rhetorical "I-Win" Button, or that it has one iota of relevance to the political climate of today (or anytime remotely recent).
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, ultra-reactionary conservative Dems....that have shifted their allegiance to the GOP.
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Lol...nice try ( not really )

A Democrat by any other name is still a Democrat.

Current Democrat policies are just more insidious, but definitely do the dame thing Jim Crow laws did.

Control the minority population.
 
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