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School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

apdst said:
What are you basing that statement of fact on?

Were black slave owners racist, too?
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They were regarded as 2/3rds a person... Seems pretty racists to me to not account someone to be a full 100% human being...
 
ocean515 said:
I'm curious why nobody has picked up on the fact the Nation of Islam, home to some of the most notorious and outspoken racist/bigots, is being used to call the historical figures on Mount Rushmore racists.

That would be like the KKK complaining about ethnic discrimination.
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It's because slavery is ok, as long as WASP's aren't the slave owners.

Ultimately it has nothing to do with slavery, or racism. For the Libbos to, "fundementally change", America, they have to convince everyone to denounce The Founders. That way, the Libbos can sell themselves as the new foujders of The United States. Communist dictators have been employing that tactic since Lenin returned to Russia in 1917. Racism was coined by Trotsky in 1920.
 
apdst said:
It's because slavery is ok, as long as WASP's aren't the slave owners.

Ultimately it has nothing to do with slavery, or racism. For the Libbos to, "fundementally change", America, they have to convince everyone to denounce The Founders. That way, the Libbos can sell themselves as the new foujders of The United States. Communist dictators have been employing that tactic since Lenin returned to Russia in 1917. Racism was coined by Trotsky in 1920.
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I'm in total agreement. It's part of the global social justice scheme that is being pushed by liberal/progressives. The US is evil don't you know, from it's founding, bent on destroying the planet in an orgy of greed and exploitation while the poor huddled masses cower in the darkness only concerned with trying to keep their children housed and fed. If only the big bad 1%'ers could be dealt with all would be well.

In the mean time, the Progressive Machine keeps holding out carrots, hoping more little bunnies jump for a taste of the promised piece.
 
apdst said:
I'm observant like that.
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One shouldn't base positions on BS they invent themselves. No one believes slavery is ok as long as it's not WASPs owning the slaves. Using that crap as a basis for understanding anything is nonsense.

That you refuse to reveal your source is telling.
 
ecofarm said:
Blacks oppressing blacks is a form of racism. Blacks hating whites, of course, is not.
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So, black slaves were imported to America, just to keep da black man down?

Some good ol' redneck boys, in Massacheusetts, said, "let's go to Aferca and buy us some niggers, so we can keep'em down"? Is that how it went down?
 
apdst said:
So, black slaves were imported to America, just to keep da black man down?

Some good ol' redneck boys, in Massacheusetts, said, "let's go to Aferca and buy us some niggers, so we can keep'em down"? Is that how it went down?
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Who told you that. Or is that another load of crap you invented yourself.
 
ecofarm said:
One shouldn't base positions on BS they invent themselves. No one believes slavery is ok as long as it's not WASPs owning the slaves. Using that crap as a basis for understanding anything is nonsense.

That you refuse to reveal your source is telling.
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Actually Islam continues to teach that enslaving pagans (by which they mean non-people-of-the-Book) is a religious duty.
 
ecofarm said:
One shouldn't base positions on BS they invent themselves. No one believes slavery is ok as long as it's not WASPs owning the slaves. Using that crap as a basis for understanding anything is nonsense.

That you refuse to reveal your source is telling.
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How often do people complain slave owners who weren't white?
 
cpwill said:
Actually Islam continues to teach that enslaving pagans (by which they mean non-people-of-the-Book) is a religious duty.
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So?

That means the founders were not racist?


apdst said:
How often do people complain slave owners who weren't white?
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All the time. Constantly. How have you missed it?
 
ecofarm said:
Perpetuating the myth that racism existed in the 1800s. Next they'll be telling kids the Holocaust really happened. Don't you see the social programming supported by the media?
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This is why you should stick to your expertise.

Racism actually was largely an invention that took place in the 19th century - the argument was largely scientific in nature, actually, which is why it gave us Eugenics. Racism did exist in the 1800s, but wasn't universal (worth noting is that official and unofficial bigotry against blacks =/= Racism, it simply has large zones of overlap)

However, this handout deliberately paints a false picture. Theodore Roosevelt took quite a lot of heat at the time for his public support of African American leadership, and the idea that Abraham Lincoln didn't interfere with slavery is historically alliterate.




But more broadly, yeah. This seems to be an incident of a stupid decision by a teacher, nothing more.
 
ecofarm said:
Who told you that. Or is that another load of crap you invented yourself.
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You're the one that slavery was all about oppessing black folks.
 
cpwill said:
This is why you should stick to your expertise.
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The founders were not racist?


apdst said:
You're the one that slavery was all about oppessing black folks.
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I said no such thing. You just made it up, like you did the crap about people thinking slavery is ok when conducted by non-WASPs.

At what point does your made up nonsense begin to not make sense even to you? Can you just keep making things up endlessly and somehow it all makes sense to you? If so, that's amazing.
 
ecofarm said:
So?

That means the founders were not racist?
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The founders by and large weren't racist. You are confusing a system of slavery with an intellectual construct that was later used to justify it.

All the time. Constantly. How have you missed it?
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Because it's not, actually, all the time. It is, in fact, pretty rare that we hear about slavery in a non white-person-owning-black-people context.
 
cpwill said:
The founders by and large weren't racist.
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Of course they were. They owned slaves and thought blacks were not human. If that's not racist, then what the **** is??

Because it's not, actually, all the time. It is, in fact, extremely rare that we hear about slavery in a non white-person-owning-black-people context.
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That's YOUR problem and not others'. I hear about non-white-owned slavery all the time. Perhaps you should stop ignoring the subject.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Were African Americans given the right to vote? Were African Americans given the same rights? No.
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:prof

State constitutions protecting voting rights for blacks included those of Delaware (1776), [5] Maryland (1776), [6] New Hampshire (1784), [7] and New York (1777). [8] (Constitution signer Rufus King declared that in New York, “a citizen of color was entitled to all the privileges of a citizen. . . . [and] entitled to vote.”) [9] Pennsylvania also extended such rights in her 1776 constitution, [10] as did Massachusetts in her 1780 constitution. [11] In fact, nearly a century later in 1874, US Rep. Robert Brown Elliott (a black Republican from SC) queried: “When did Massachusetts sully her proud record by placing on her statute-book any law which admitted to the ballot the white man and shut out the black man? She has never done it; she will not do it.” [12]

As a result of these provisions, early American towns such as Baltimore had more blacks than whites voting in elections; [13] and when the proposed US Constitution was placed before citizens in 1787 and 1788, it was ratified by both black and white voters in a number of States. [14]

[5] The Constitutions of the Several Independent States of America (Boston: Norman and Bowen, 1785), p. 92, 1776 Delaware Constitution, “Declaration of Rights,” #6.
[6] Constitutions (1785), p. 104, 1776 Maryland Constitution, “Declaration of Rights,” #5.
[7] Constitutions (1785), p. 5, 1784 New Hampshire Constitution, “Bill of Rights,” #11.
[8] Constitutions (1785), p. 58, 1777 New York Constitution, “Declaration of Rights,” #7.
[9] Rufus King, The Life and Correspondence of Rufus King, Charles R. King, editor (New York: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1900), p. 404.
[10] Constitutions (1785), p. 78, 1776 Pennsylvania Constitution, “Declaration of Rights,” #7.
[11] Constitutions (1785), p. 8, 1780 Massachusetts Constitution, “Declaration of Rights,” #9.
[12] Carter G. Woodson, Negro Orators and Their Orations (Washington, DC: The Associated Publishers, Inc., 1925), p. 310, Rep. Robert Brown Elliott from his speech on the Civil Rights Bill on January 6, 1874.
[13] John Hancock, Essays on the Elective Franchise; or, Who Has the Right to Vote? (Philadelphia: Merrihew & Son, 1865), pp. 22-23.
[14] Hancock, Essays on the Elective Franchise, p. 27
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;)
 
ecofarm said:
Of course they were. They owned slaves and thought blacks were not human. If that's not racist, then what the **** is??
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The bolded part is correct (for many of them), and the underlined is not. The idea that Blacks were some kind of sub-human came into vogue in later generations.

That's YOUR problem and not others'. I hear about non-white-owned slavery all the time. Perhaps you should stop ignoring the subject.
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:lol: where in our schools is the subject taught, especially compared to the other? where in our national public conversations do we make sure that we always point out that there were black slave owners in America just as there were white slave owners? You may get a brief mention of modern Islamist groups grabbing girls.
 
cpwill said:
The bolded part is correct (for many of them), and the underlined is not. The idea that Blacks were some kind of sub-human came into vogue in later generations.
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:lamo

I bet it was blacks' fault too!



:lol: where in our schools is the subject taught, especially compared to the other? where in our national public conversations do we make sure that we always point out that there were black slave owners in America just as there were white slave owners? You may get a brief mention of modern Islamist groups grabbing girls.
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Everyone knows there were black slave owners and everyone knows terrorist Muslims grab girls. What kind of idiot is unaware of these facts?

Build a new strawman.
 
Deuce said:
And yet, quite a bit recently we see so-called conservatives absolutely flip their **** at the idea of anyone saying the founding fathers or America were anything less than perfect. Apparently, speaking about factual events like the "Trail of Tears" is some attack on our country. Telling the truth, to these people, is wrong because it makes America look bad, so doing so must mean you hate America. Nationalism run amok. Borderline fascism.
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When I hear collectivist dim bulbs do nothing but run down this country, again and again, oddly enough I suspect they harbor some ill will toward it. Not surprising, because like their golden boy President Pinocchio, they hate the Constitution and they hate capitalism. What little they "know" usually comes from their PC indoctrination in public schools by a bunch of '60's third-raters, from Oliver Stone movies, and from watching MSNBC. I've been around enough of these ignoramuses over the years, after they had a couple drinks in them, to know many of them bitterly resent almost everything American. Of course they invariably deny this, usually while shrieking "Fascist!" at anyone who calls them out for what they are.
 
ecofarm said:
:lamo

I bet it was blacks' fault too!
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Well, no. If you wanted to blame someone you would probably blame Darwin and the many, many whites who found his theory to be incredibly useful at justifying their own position vis that of other nations. But even that would be really sort of a weak construction - it was a theory that came into vogue because multiple drivers converged to allow it.

In the meantime, I accept your strawman-esque attempt to divert to snark as an implicit admission that I am correct :)

Everyone knows there were black slave owners and everyone knows terrorist Muslims grab girls. What kind of idiot is unaware of these facts?
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:lol: sure. I'm sure everyone knows this. Hey, would you mind citing any poll or other data demonstrating that people regularly see the information on slavery in an other-than whites-owning-blacks context? Because I can grab any high school history textbook to demonstrate my case. :)
 
cpwill said:
Well, no. If you wanted to blame someone you would probably blame Darwin
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:lamo

Because I can grab any high school history textbook to demonstrate my case.
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They all note blacks owned slaves. Spare us this BS.

There's no conspiracy against whites in highschool history textbooks. Your persecution complex is imagined.
 
Deuce said:
And yet, quite a bit recently we see so-called conservatives absolutely flip their **** at the idea of anyone saying the founding fathers or America were anything less than perfect. Apparently, speaking about factual events like the "Trail of Tears" is some attack on our country. Telling the truth, to these people, is wrong because it makes America look bad, so doing so must mean you hate America. Nationalism run amok. Borderline fascism.
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:doh

I tell you what, mr Truth Teller. You look up the dates for that Trail of Tears, compare it to the 1770s, 1780s, and 1790s, and let us know what you discover. :roll:
 
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