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School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

I see the usual collectivist America-haters have rushed in to defend this action by a teacher who shares their low opinion of this horrible racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, warmongering country. But I understand their concern. How are leftists ever supposed to bring down this wretched country, if they can't even indoctrinate third-graders to believe it's barely worth lifting a finger to defend?

er then what the **** were you saying hear

I see the usual collectivist America-haters have rushed in to defend this action


were you making that up?
 
Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too

A second parent has now come forward acknowledging their child received a Nation of Islam “handout” in a third grade class at Harold McCormick Elementary School in Elizabethton, Tennessee – contradicting claims by the school district that the document was not distributed in the classroom.
Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too | Fox News


It seems the story may have been overblown but the responses were interesting. Elizabethton City Schools :: Welcome to Elizabethton City Schools
Apparently the only ones overblowing things were the liberals in this thread.


Did you read Post #24 above? Or did you not understand it? Or maybe you are hoping the rest of us didn't read it or didn't understand it. Take a minute to read the link that Grant posted. It renders your argument moot in the context of the OP.
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I guess the possibility that the school was lying given the multiple excuses didn't occur to you.
 
Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too

A second parent has now come forward acknowledging their child received a Nation of Islam “handout” in a third grade class at Harold McCormick Elementary School in Elizabethton, Tennessee – contradicting claims by the school district that the document was not distributed in the classroom.
Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too | Fox News



Apparently the only ones overblowing things were the liberals in this thread.


:doh
I guess the possibility that the school was lying given the multiple excuses didn't occur to you.

Yes, that did occur to me. What also occurred to me is that it would be a very rare occasion where a superintendent would lie to cover a teacher's butt for a this or a similar situation.

In the situation as reported in the OP the teacher would have to have been lying to the principal and the principal would have to have assured the superintendent that the teacher was not lying. I would imagine, given the sensationalism caused by Fox, that the superintendent superintendent spoke with the teacher as well. Following that and after the news stories, I can guarantee you that one or more members of the school board have spoken with the superintendent about it. Or it could be as you suggest that there is a concerted effort by all involved to lie about it and blame the child. But, that idea is horse****.

Now we have an anonymous second source reported by the guy who wrote the original story. :roll:

Could be the teacher lied. Could be the teacher didn't. It is much, much, much less likely that "the school is lying".

Could be Fox News is lying. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
Yes, that did occur to me. What also occurred to me is that it would be a very rare occasion where a superintendent would lie to cover a teacher's butt for a this or a similar situation.

In the situation as reported in the OP the teacher would have to have been lying to the principal and the principal would have to have assured the superintendent that the teacher was not lying. I would imagine, given the sensationalism caused by Fox, that the superintendent superintendent spoke with the teacher as well. Following that and after the news stories, I can guarantee you that one or more members of the school board have spoken with the superintendent about it. Or it could be as you suggest that there is a concerted effort by all involved to lie about it and blame the child. But, that idea is horse****.

Now we have an anonymous second source reported by the guy who wrote the original story. :roll:

Could be the teacher lied. Could be the teacher didn't. It is much, much, much less likely that "the school is lying".

Could be Fox News is lying. It wouldn't be the first time.
Regardless of the second report, it isn't much less likely that the school is lying given their multiple excuses.
While it is possible, multiple excuses usually do not come about unless one is trying to cover. :shrug:

In addition; You appear to have some irrational bent over Fox. There is a difference in opinion programs and actual News programs.
Just as there is a difference between being mistaken and purposeful deceit.
Once you start distinguishing those difference, the irrational bent should correct itself.
 
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What on earth does this have to do with the Obama Administration? It does not appear that this was approved curriculum by the school district.

It's old history. It's Bush's fault.
 
Under a far left administration this is what is happening in our country.


School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists | Fox News



By Todd Starnes
Published October 27, 2014FoxNews.com


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The mother of an eight-year-old wants to know why a Tennessee school teacher gave her child a handout from the Nation of Islam that portrayed the presidents on Mount Rushmore as being racists.


Now they using US social politics against us.....
 
Jefferson was too eccentric to even be racist.
 
How does judging a man by a moral system he didn't live under illuminate him?

It compares his action to objective morality as established by modern context. I'm sorry if it doesn't give him a blowjob, but I'm not sure what your objection is. Are you against viewing history in a modern context? That would be idiotic - literally.
 
Who is pretending that racism never existed? You? Your school mates?

I know of no one who claims slavery never existed, and in fact it exists in the wacky world of islam today.

And yet, quite a bit recently we see so-called conservatives absolutely flip their **** at the idea of anyone saying the founding fathers or America were anything less than perfect. Apparently, speaking about factual events like the "Trail of Tears" is some attack on our country. Telling the truth, to these people, is wrong because it makes America look bad, so doing so must mean you hate America. Nationalism run amok. Borderline fascism.
 
In a hundred years they will condemn us for our evil treatment of animals.

And right-wingers then will attack those people as America-haters.
 
Racial equality is not a modern concept. There were abolitionists long before our nation's founding. Abolitionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even Thomas Jefferson knew slavery was morally wrong, he just didn't do anything about it. So if morality is not relative, then the founders were racists.

According to the modern standard if what racism, everyone is a racist.

That being said, what about black slave owners? Were they racists, too?
 
And yet, quite a bit recently we see so-called conservatives absolutely flip their **** at the idea of anyone saying the founding fathers or America were anything less than perfect. Apparently, speaking about factual events like the "Trail of Tears" is some attack on our country. Telling the truth, to these people, is wrong because it makes America look bad, so doing so must mean you hate America. Nationalism run amok. Borderline fascism.

I flip my lid when someone tells the lie that all The Founders were racist, without a single qualification.
 
I flip my lid when someone tells the lie that all The Founders were racist, without a single qualification.

If owning slaves and believing blacks are not human is not racism, then what the **** is??
 
According to the modern standard if what racism, everyone is a racist.

That being said, what about black slave owners? Were they racists, too?

I don't know, but they were certainly deplorable though.
 
If owning slaves and believing blacks are not human is not racism, then what the **** is??

What are you basing that statement of fact on?

Were black slave owners racist, too?
 
Oh, you don't know...but you're absolutely sure that every Founder was a racist? :roll:

I'm curious why nobody has picked up on the fact the Nation of Islam, home to some of the most notorious and outspoken racist/bigots, is being used to call the historical figures on Mount Rushmore racists.

That would be like the KKK complaining about ethnic discrimination.
 
What are you basing that statement of fact on?

Were black slave owners racist, too?

Blacks oppressing blacks is a form of racism. Blacks hating whites, of course, is not.
 
It compares his action to objective morality as established by modern context. I'm sorry if it doesn't give him a blowjob, but I'm not sure what your objection is. Are you against viewing history in a modern context? That would be idiotic - literally.

No. I'm against making a value judgement on the man himself based on a modern context. I've maintained all along that you can retroactively say the man did immoral things based on our morality. I don't believe its fair to judge the man himself as an immoral individual based on our conception of morality.

The example I used in the Columbus thread was one of a society that 200 years from now determines that cows are intelligent beings and accords them all manner of civil rights. My act of eating a cheeseburger today is immoral because cows as it turns out are intelligent. But that doesn't make me immoral since the prevailing morality at the time I live allows for eating cows.
 
I'm against making a value judgement on the man himself based on a modern context.

So? The rest of us are capable of examining a historical figure in both historical and modern context. Just because you personally have a problem with modern context is no reason to pretend the perspective garners no insight.


My act of eating a cheeseburger today is immoral because cows as it turns out are intelligent.

Blacks are not cows. They're people.

And, for the record, the act of eating a cheeseburger CAN be judged TODAY as immoral, without cows proving to be intelligent.
 
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