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School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

Deuce said:
And you think they'd accomplish that by pretending racism never existed?
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Who is pretending that racism never existed? You? Your school mates?

I know of no one who claims slavery never existed, and in fact it exists in the wacky world of islam today.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Wow! Wow! and Wow! Nice job, Grant. Allow me to give you the clap. :bravo:

As difficult as it is to believe :roll: it would seem that once again Fox "News" is as full of sh*t as a Christmas goose.

The big story here is that people continue to watch and read Fox reporting and accept it at face value, without bothering to validate any given "news" report. Time and time again blatant and purposeful distortion of events "reported" by Fox ends up making the rounds and inciting the gullible viewers of extreme right wing sites. Time and time again those same readers are duped and made to look foolish.

Thankfully we have people like Grant and a bulletin board such as DP and thus the truth can be known. Unfortunately, most suckers, dummies and fools continue to accept what they hear and read on Fox and on extremist web sites. People who do not question their extremist "news" sources will continue to remain willfully ignorant. Those people will also remain outraged about things that never happened.
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Rather than blanket Fox news why not check out who did the report and be critical of that person. He should certainly be fired.
 
1750Texan said:
...and they told the mother the material was not a student hand out....Right.

Did the mother find out why her child took something off the Teacher's desk area without permission?

Maybe someone should chop the student's hand off.
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You attended a similar class, huh?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Yes, as a matter of fact there is.

The question at the top of the pamphlet asks: "What does it take to be on Mt. Rushmore?" The information listed under each President, while accurate, does not in any way reflect on the decision making process that went into the deciding who would actually appear on the monument. As written, the pamphlet would have us believe that the thought process in choosing these men for the monument had much to do with them owning slaves or harboring negative views of the black race. This of course is patently false as these men were chosen for their service and their historical significance to this nation. The fact that they were slave owners or held racist views I would argue never once was even brought up when the monument was being planned.

So what this pamphlet actually does is condemn the 18th and 19th century actions of these men using the standards of the 21st century, which is not an accurate or honest way to evaluate them. It also wrongfully suggests that those actions somehow were a prerequisite for having their collective faces carved in stone. So while "the facts" of this pamphlet may be accurate, the picture this pamphlet attempts to paint with these facts is dishonest as hell.
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Hmmmm... That makes pretty good sense to me. I'll give it a "like."
 
Captain America said:
Is there anything on the pamphlets that is untruthful? Inquiring minds want to know.

Mount Rushmore has long been a source of controversy regarding it's racist undertones. It was placed, as we are told, under the noses of the Souix Indian Nation most sacred grounds, reminding them who the big boss was. Or, some folks say that, anyways.

I do not understand how some people can get all upset when the christian pastors, preaching homophobic and other <fill in the blank> hate from pulpits in Houston, get subpoenas. Yet, the very same people will get all upset when the Islamic clergy preaches similar hate towards America from their pulpits or pamphlets, just pointed in a different direction.

That "Freedom of Religion," thing can be a mother****er, no?

I detect a scent of hypocrisy.
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I detect a lot of BS here. You can easily check out the history of Mount Rushmore and that of Chief Crazy Horse as well.

This OP have just some truth to it but someone must be responsible for all those dumbass students learning to rubbish their own country and rewrite its history.
 
Wiggen said:
No, we don't need a national day of torture. Just a recognition that racism existed in varying degrees from day one of this nation. It particularly flourished during that period of time where black people were owned as slaves. And some of the intelligent men of the late 18th century, who should have known better, actually owned other human beings themselves. Two of them are on Mt. Rushmore.
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Everyone knows racism exists and existed. Is that news?

The problem is that little else is taught in the public school system, certainly little that glorifies America, and students are suffering from ever greater stupidity as a consequence.
 
Grant said:
Everyone knows racism exists and existed. Is that news?

The problem is that little else is taught in the public school system, certainly little that glorifies America, and students are suffering from ever greater stupidity as a consequence.
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So all you want is America to be glorified?
 
Captain America said:
I do not understand how some people can get all upset when the christian pastors, preaching homophobic and other <fill in the blank> hate from pulpits in Houston, get subpoenas.
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I can.

Legally, and we are a nation of laws, "hate speech" has a very narrow definition. The Pastors in question did not even come close to meeting that definition.

Being a political dissident does not make one guilty of "hate speech". At the end of the day, abuse of power is still abuse of power- even when "progressives" do it.
 
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Grant said:
Is it your understanding that all Muslims are Americans?
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Is it your understanding that no Muslims are Americans? Because that's the picture you seem to be painting here.
 
TeleKat said:
Is it your understanding that no Muslims are Americans? Because that's the picture you seem to be painting here.
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That would be a picture for people who are either blind or really not very bright.
 
Grant said:
That would be a picture for people who are either blind or really not very bright.
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We are aware you aren't very bright, now answer my question please.
 
Navy Pride said:
I really don't know how you left wingers can defend this but whatever floats your boat........Its so s ad you live in the greatest country in the world and have no clue.
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Did this take place in a private school? I'm phone posting so my search abilities are extremely limited.
 
School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists

The image itself is improper for a classroom, if that is in fact what happened. . It distorts why white America prided itself with the selection of Presidents on Mount Rushmore and instead focused only on the issue of slavery or racism.

That being said, they are somewhat guilty as charged. Jefferson's sense of contradiction was difficult then as it is now. Washington's history was better than Jefferson's but was still part of the problem. Lincoln was willing to capitulate for the Union though he found slavery abhorrent.

The point could have been better presented. Whether the subject would be appropriate for an 8 year old is even more under contention. Lessons on how minority voices would react to the actions of said individuals has been done before for children of that age or a bit younger. That being said, elementary schools tend to be more focused on benevolent nationalism, which is essentially myth building exercises. Minority or underrepresented figures are also part of that discussion. It tends to be happy, uncritical discussions of both whites and racial or other minorities--without any sense of great conflict. That's what I think is a prudent course for the very young. You can still instill in them, if you prefer, multiculturalist values without intentionally tearing down certain reputations.
 
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Fiddytree said:
The image itself is improper for a classroom, if that is in fact what happened. . It distorts why white America prided itself with the selection of Presidents on Mount Rushmore and instead focused only on the issue of slavery or racism.

That being said, they are somewhat guilty as charged. Jefferson's sense of contradiction was difficult then as it is now. Washington's history was better than Jefferson's but was still part of the problem. Lincoln was willing to capitulate for the Union though he found slavery abhorrent.

The point could have been better presented.
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You should have just posted the first paragraph.

Americans are far too critical of their history and their country and the effect of this is beginning to show. Americans need their well deserved pride restored, but I doubt that will ever happen in the public school system.
 
Navy Pride said:
I really don't know how you left wingers can defend this but whatever floats your boat........Its so s ad you live in the greatest country in the world and have no clue.
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I really don't know how you right wingers can not accept that facts are facts, but whatever floats your boat........
 
Grant said:
You have to ask if there are no Muslim Americans? Can't you google rather than posting nonsense?
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I asked if it was your understanding that there are no Muslim Americans, not if they exist. I ****ing know they exist. You, however, can't seem to get over your hatred of muslims long enough to acknowledge that there are actually peaceful muslims living among us here in America. Because, you know, all Muslims bomb buildings and behead people. Or something.

Now answer my question please.
 
Grant said:
Americans are far too critical of their history and their country and the effect of this is beginning to show. Americans need their well deserved pride restored, but I doubt that will ever happen in the public school system.
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Americans aren't critical enough.
 
Grant said:
Everyone knows racism exists and existed. Is that news?

The problem is that little else is taught in the public school system, certainly little that glorifies America, and students are suffering from ever greater stupidity as a consequence.
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I taught a lot of other things in History and Geography... maybe you just had a **** teacher.
 
Grant said:
Rather than blanket Fox news why not check out who did the report and be critical of that person. He should certainly be fired.
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It was a Fox report. It was thus approved by Fox and who knows, maybe the story was assigned by an online editor. I absolutely don't watch or listen to broadcast news. When the 4th Estate dies it will have been broadcast news who stabbed it most. Fox is in my opinion the unabashed leader in broadcast yellow journalism. That is saying a lot in a medium (TV in this instance) that purposely distorts and destroys the truth in the name of informing the public.

Fox's penchant for creating "news" that doesn't exist and for distorting factoids to excite and entertain is just as prevalent online as it is in broadcast.
 
School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists

Grant said:
You should have just posted the first paragraph.

Americans are far too critical of their history and their country and the effect of this is beginning to show. Americans need their well deserved pride restored, but I doubt that will ever happen in the public school system.
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Read my third paragraph I edited. I'm sorry Im not quick enough.
I'm using an iPad mini with Tapatalk and I canonly see a limited
amount of space for some reason.

What I will say is that critical history is important, but it is dependent upon age.
The younger you are, the more emphasis should be on simplifying
the message you wish to teach. You can be multicultural without being spiteful or cynical.

The older you are, the more complicated history should become. Furthermore, the problem with some of this is that people use a slightly historicist perspective, but only when it suits the agenda. The relativism only shows up enough to support, for instance, the idea that critiquing white American power structures is bad. Sudenly that is because it's the 19th century vs. the 21st. Yet, in many other subjects, those qualms go away really quickly. This is because it doesn't suit the agenda. It's not a consistent application of historicism.

Right wingers tend to have few qualms with critiquing Margret Sanger on the same grounds. Historicism would dictate that Sanger would be held to her time. COnversely, many Left wingers, so intent on critiquing the past with the current lens because it impacts us, become mum about this when their intent is to defend one of their heroes.

When it doesn't suit the political agenda, people tend to bend to what they want history to be.
 
Grant said:
I detect a lot of BS here. You can easily check out the history of Mount Rushmore and that of Chief Crazy Horse as well.

This OP have just some truth to it but someone must be responsible for all those dumbass students learning to rubbish their own country and rewrite its history.
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Whaaaa? Huh? Grant, you are the very person who found the link proving the OP story to be loads of bull****, as in it didn't happen. It wasn't a handout, no one gave it to the kid. It wasn't used in class. Remember the link YOU provided? And now you want to argue the facts that don't exist?
 
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