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DHS Agents Raid Lingerie Shop, Save America From Unlicensed Underwear

While knock-off merchandise might not seem to fall under the purview of Homeland Security, ICE says*HSI plays a "leading role in targeting criminal organizations responsible for producing, smuggling and distributing counterfeit products."

The enforcement, while having nothing to do with immigration, apparently falls within the "customs" mandate of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.*

Asked why counterfeit merchandise raids like this are handled by ICE, Neudauer explained that U.S. Customs investigators were placed within ICE when the Department of Homeland Security was formed in 2003. Those investigators have jurisdiction over hundreds of federal statutes, mostly involving customs-related issues. ICE also runs an intellectual property rights coordination center.

Kansas City lingerie shopowners in a twist after Homeland Security's panty raid | Fox News
 
Homeland Security, the department that cannnot keep an unaccompanied 7 year old from crossing the border, has now decided to take a peek at panties.

And you are OK with this?

Depends on whom is wearing the panties.
 
Homeland Security now going after small business for copyright infringement. That seams like some thing that should be beneath them. Aren't they supposed to be getting to the bottom of terrorist plots, not doing panty raids for Major league Baseball.

DHS Agents raid lingerie shop save America from unlicensed underwear

I am thinking DHS is not doing it true job and need to be disbanded or at least down sized. What do you all think of these easily joke about news article. What your opinions about Homeland Security. (You might as well get the butt jokes behind you, these incident is just asking for it).

Don't see how this is an appropriate focus or tasking for DHS. It's not like they are the federal police for everything. Or are they now?

Why do we need yet another FBI? I keep hearing that violent crimes are going down, so we need more policing? Seems to make hardly any sense at all any which way you look at it.
 
Your point was silly since you dont understand the difference between a local and federal crime. A national agency had to do the enforcing and maybe the DHS was the most expedient way to do it in this particular case.

The most expedient way to go about a copyright infringement allegation is for the infringed to sue the infringer in court and either prevail and get a pile of money, or not and skulk away to lick his wounds. Law enforcement doesn't have to be involved at all, and certainly not the DHS. If they have time for that sort of crap, then either they're not doing their job, or else they have too many agents with nothing worthwhile to do.
 
The DHS can't deal with that! Unliscensed panties are a much more serious threat to America. Duh.

Unlicensed use of a baseball team may be on your significant other's privates. It is totally acceptable f it is the Washington Redskins. However we need to do a full inspection. Legislation is currently at the senate to promote "Panty Checks" by foot patrols.
 
Homeland Security now going after small business for copyright infringement. That seams like some thing that should be beneath them. Aren't they supposed to be getting to the bottom of terrorist plots, not doing panty raids for Major league Baseball.

DHS Agents raid lingerie shop save America from unlicensed underwear

I am thinking DHS is not doing it true job and need to be disbanded or at least down sized. What do you all think of these easily joke about news article. What your opinions about Homeland Security. (You might as well get the butt jokes behind you, these incident is just asking for it).
The DHS can't deal with that! Unliscensed panties are a much more serious threat to America. Duh.

DHS is a vast orgainization and a legitimate function of any government is to enforce trademark laws and other laws on intellectual property. One of their enforcement areas is intellectual property rights.
http://www.dhs.gov/economic-security

The fact that the violator is a "small business" is not that material.

Heck, why not:

- approach the owner or CEO of the company where you work (providing that you are not self employed) and state that your company should renounce all trade marks and patents. Let me know what his / her response is.... .
 
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DHS is a vast orgainization and a legitimate function of any government is to enforce trademark laws and other laws on intellectual property. The fact that the violator is a "small business" is not that material.
The United States Patent and Trademark Office under the Dept of Commerce enforces trademark and intellectual property violations as far as I know.... not DHS.
 
The United States Patent and Trademark Office under the Dept of Commerce enforces trademark and intellectual property violations as far as I know.... not DHS.

No, its DHS. Look at the link that I added above.
 
Homeland Security now going after small business for copyright infringement. That seams like some thing that should be beneath them. Aren't they supposed to be getting to the bottom of terrorist plots, not doing panty raids for Major league Baseball.

DHS Agents raid lingerie shop save America from unlicensed underwear

I am thinking DHS is not doing it true job and need to be disbanded or at least down sized. What do you all think of these easily joke about news article. What your opinions about Homeland Security. (You might as well get the butt jokes behind you, these incident is just asking for it).

in 2001-2002, i was a libertarian who opposed the patriot act and a new DHS agency. i was told by Republicans that the new powers would not be abused, and i was asked why i wanted to help the terrorists (well, actually, they asked "why do you want to help the terrorist?" they never could get the plural right on that for some reason.)

welp, there you go. the patriot act is being used for whatever they want, we have an agency that records literally everything that happens electronically, and the DHS is raiding places to track down fake underwear.

i am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
 
I'm not outraged, I just don't think copyright enforcement is a homeland security issue - do you?
Infinging on Copyrights is how terrorists fund their organizations. Think about those Calvin and Hobbs decals on all those cares and Calvin is pissing on something. Every time one of those Decals is bought, ISIS gets a little bit more money.
 
in 2001-2002, i was a libertarian who opposed the patriot act and a new DHS agency. i was told by Republicans that the new powers would not be abused, and i was asked why i wanted to help the terrorists (well, actually, they asked "why do you want to help the terrorist?" they never could get the plural right on that for some reason.)

welp, there you go. the patriot act is being used for whatever they want, we have an agency that records literally everything that happens electronically, and the DHS is raiding places to track down fake underwear.

i am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Didn't you know? It's the Republicans who want small government:roll:
 
This is satire, I hope? Please tell me Homeland Security isn't worried about copyrights on undies now.

I wish that was the case, but these really happen.

I don't either for whats that is worth. What do copyright laws have to do with homeland security anyway?

They have to prevent all the "Terrorists" who live in the US from stealing from big us companies.
 
Well I'm glad someone is watching out for American underwear.
I am glad somebody is watching out for american business interests.. Whether it is Boeing or underwear, we need the jobs.
 
I am glad somebody is watching out for american business interests.. Whether it is Boeing or underwear, we need the jobs.

DHS should talk to China then about trademarks and intellectual property... but that probably won't happen and american jobs are long gone in manufacturing.
 
The most expedient way to go about a copyright infringement allegation is for the infringed to sue the infringer in court and either prevail and get a pile of money, or not and skulk away to lick his wounds. Law enforcement doesn't have to be involved at all, and certainly not the DHS. If they have time for that sort of crap, then either they're not doing their job, or else they have too many agents with nothing worthwhile to do.

I dont think you understand the definition of expedient
 
DHS should talk to China then about trademarks and intellectual property... but that probably won't happen and american jobs are long gone in manufacturing.

Complains that DHS is doing too much

Complains that DHS is not doing enough
 
Complains that DHS is doing too much

Complains that DHS is not doing enough

Complains that DHS is doing too much of things they have no business in

Complains that DHS is not doing enough of what they are supposed to be doing
 
Complains that DHS is doing to much of the wrong things

Complains that DHS is not doing enough of what they are supposed to be doing

Protecting intellectual property is one of the things they are supposed to be doing.
 
Protecting intellectual property is one of the things they are supposed to be doing.

I though DHS was formed to fight terrorists and protect us from them, and the people who have been wronged in that way would just sue (it is vary easy when someone is infringing on your property rights to find them). Are we consider terrorists. I can't think of any thing I have done to warrant that.
 
I though DHS was formed to fight terrorists and protect us from them, and the people who have been wronged in that way would just sue (it is vary easy when someone is infringing on your property rights to find them). Are we consider terrorists. I can't think of any thing I have done to warrant that.

I have read that the profits from the theft of intellectual property is one way terrorists fund their operations.

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