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Rare albino deer bagged by 11-year-old [W:245]

apdst said:
Prior to that, I said,




Which is a safe bet, unless you have evidence to prove me wrong. So far, the only evidence you've produced is that only a handfull of hunters have seen the animal.

Now, everyone can see him.
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If some random hunters saw the deer, why assume that random hikers would not?

Or are hunters not random while hikers are?
 
sangha said:
If some random hunters saw the deer, why assume that random hikers would not?

Or are hunters not random while hikers are?
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Because deer will detect someone tromping through woulds and stay away.
 
tres borrachos said:
I just could never shoot a deer, or any animal for that matter. Okay, I'll make an exception for mice. But as for deer - no way. I love to see deer. We have 5 acres here and see a lot of bucks, normally solitary but we also see them as sophomores hanging out with a herd of does. They're young ones, and supposedly they are the previous years' crop and can stay with the mother as long as she doesn't have another baby. Baby deer are as cute as can be.

Anyway, I just know there is no way in hades I could aim a gun at a deer and pull the trigger.

Luckily my very pro-2nd Amendment husband doesn't hunt anymore (he knows how I feel) and our kids have never hunted. They all get just as much pleasure from shooting targets with Bin Laden's image in the center, and shooting at clay targets and glass bottles. I appreciate that they do that.
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I'm with you all the way. Especially about mice. I spotted one for the first time in 3 years, the other night. I have no trouble offing those buggers, but other animals?

Your property sounds like mine TB. A deer path runs through my yard and we've counted as many as 14 at one time across two yards (does, fawns and young adults). We were watching what had to be two to three-day-old "bambis" this summer. They were tiny and their spots were so vivid. We've seen very young bucks together and one year a big boy chasing a doe. ;) I prefer to see them alive. :)

I just couldn't kill them. Or elk. Or big horned sheep (they are here). I have no guns, so it's not like I contemplate it. LOL

I'm glad they get pleasure from shooting targets like that! That sounds like fun. :)
 
celticwar17 said:
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Rare albino deer bagged by 11-year-old - GrindTV.com

"“He should have let it live. There are plenty of others out there,” reads one of hundreds of comments.
“If it’s rare, why the hell would he kill it?” reads another.
“I’m fine with hunting, just hate the ‘Hey look, it’s different, let’s shoot it’ ideas. Shoot it with a camera and let the unique one live,” reads yet another.Deer-hunting in Michigan is an extremely popular pastime, so it’s not surprising that so many wrote in defense of Gavin Dingman.“Get over it. The law says it’s legal. Back off the kid!!! Way to go kiddo!!” reads one comment.
“He paid good money for his license. He can use it for anything HE chooses, ” reads another. “Whether it be a brown deer or an albino buck, the state of Michigan gave him permission to kill it. Leave the kid alone. He did nothing wrong. He harvested a great trophy.”
Some of the commenters criticized WZZM 13 for posting the story on Facebook, opening Gavin to criticism.
“WZZM should stick with reporting news, not trying to make an 11-year-old boy feel guilty for shooting a deer, during deer season,” reads one comment."


"Some native cultures revere the white animals, and believe that they possess the spirits of ancestors."
Do you think this is in bad taste? Blame the kid? Blame the dad? No problem whatsoever?
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I blame the parent as being a moron for allowing the kid to kill a rare animal....
 
apdst said:
Prior to that, I said,




Which is a safe bet, unless you have evidence to prove me wrong. So far, the only evidence you've produced is that only a handfull of hunters have seen the animal.

Now, everyone can see him.
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I was responding to that post and your untrue assertion, not what you said before that. I produced evidence that others had seen the deer, unlike your assertion that nobody knew it existed. I won't be addressing that again.

Onward. No, everyone cannot see the deer. It will be in a private home. More people may see the deer. That would be a correct statement, but not everyone can see it. Further, no one can see it alive again.
 
apdst said:
Because deer will detect someone tromping through woulds and stay away.
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Not if they are purposely looking for wildlife.
 
apdst said:
Because deer will detect someone tromping through woulds and stay away.
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Nonsense.

Deer don't always run away. Around here, they let you get pretty close to them.

And hikers often stop to enjoy the view or rest.
 
Gina said:
I'm with you all the way. Especially about mice. I spotted one for the first time in 3 years, the other night. I have no trouble offing those buggers, but other animals?

Your property sounds like mine TB. A deer path runs through my yard and we've counted as many as 14 at one time across two yards (does, fawns and young adults). We were watching what had to be two to three-day-old "bambis" this summer. They were tiny and their spots were so vivid. We've seen very young bucks together and one year a big boy chasing a doe. ;) I prefer to see them alive. :)

I just couldn't kill them. Or elk. Or big horned sheep (they are here). I have no guns, so it's not like I contemplate it. LOL

I'm glad they get pleasure from shooting targets like that! That sounds like fun. :)
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I love watching the young fawns Gina! Their spots are so cute, and when they're playful as they get a little older, they're hilarious to see. It's like watching puppies play. I also prefer to see all of them alive. And when I see the bucks, I always send them telepathic messages "Don't leave our property - you're safe here!". Yes I'm a softie.:mrgreen: Proud of it too.

We also have moose on our property - talk about amazing! We have to be very careful when the mothers are out with the babies - they can get very mean.

Yes I'm very proud of my husband & son for respecting that I'm not thrilled with the idea of them hunting so instead they all shoot non-animal targets.

I also worry about the ducks who come into our pond every year. They're safe when with the babies, but after the babies grow up....<sigh>. I wish they'd hang out here too.

Now mice....if there is truly a Satan, I know they were his invention. That, and thong underwear.;)
 
apdst said:
Because deer will detect someone tromping through woulds and stay away.
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That depends on where you/they are, and how often they see humans. In NJ, they are on the hairy edge of being tame. I've been to my sister's house and seen more than a few come within inches of us on the deck. Her dogs don't even concern them.
 
tres borrachos said:
I love watching the young fawns Gina! Their spots are so cute, and when they're playful as they get a little older, they're hilarious to see. It's like watching puppies play. I also prefer to see all of them alive. And when I see the bucks, I always send them telepathic messages "Don't leave our property - you're safe here!". Yes I'm a softie.:mrgreen: Proud of it too.

We also have moose on our property - talk about amazing! We have to be very careful when the mothers are out with the babies - they can get very mean.

Yes I'm very proud of my husband & son for respecting that I'm not thrilled with the idea of them hunting so instead they all shoot non-animal targets.

I also worry about the ducks who come into our pond every year. They're safe when with the babies, but after the babies grow up....<sigh>. I wish they'd hang out here too.

Now mice....if there is truly a Satan, I know they were his invention. That, and thong underwear.;)
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The young ones are so fun to watch! The pair in the yard this summer would chase after each other and it seemed they would forget how to run and end up jumping in the air! Really cute!

Awww...you're so sweet to want to keep them all on your property. Fellow softie! :)

I'm in envy that you have free roaming moose on your property! I've never seen one in the wild, because I've never been where they are, but I would love to. They seem like amazing creatures. Scary too. I've seen video of one stomping a man when the moose came into a small town, somewhere, I cannot remember.

Ha! Yes, mice are indeed the spawn of Satan! And the butt floss too! LOL
 
Dittohead not! said:
I didn't know there were places like that in the Bay Area.

They must have run the mountain lions off.
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They live in San Carlos about 500 yards from the protected area. Apparently they also have mountain lions, but the deer sure do like residential landscaping and manage to keep their numbers up. They have adapted to humans and feed during the day and aren't a bit worried about the random walker or runner - just move a bit off the road.
 
sangha said:
Nonsense.

Deer don't always run away. Around here, they let you get pretty close to them.

And hikers often stop to enjoy the view or rest.
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I've spent hundreds of hours hunting, masking presence and didn't see anything. I doubt seriously that whitetails are any less skiddish in New York than in Louisiana. Hikers stomping through the woods aren't as likely to spot a deer as a hunter in a hidden position.
 
Gina said:
The young ones are so fun to watch! The pair in the yard this summer would chase after each other and it seemed they would forget how to run and end up jumping in the air! Really cute!

Awww...you're so sweet to want to keep them all on your property. Fellow softie! :)

I'm in envy that you have free roaming moose on your property! I've never seen one in the wild, because I've never been where they are, but I would love to. They seem like amazing creatures. Scary too. I've seen video of one stomping a man when the moose came into a small town, somewhere, I cannot remember.

Ha! Yes, mice are indeed the spawn of Satan! And the butt floss too! LOL
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That's why God made cats.

The per mouse cost is expensive, though.
 
Gina said:
The young ones are so fun to watch! The pair in the yard this summer would chase after each other and it seemed they would forget how to run and end up jumping in the air! Really cute!

Awww...you're so sweet to want to keep them all on your property. Fellow softie! :)

I'm in envy that you have free roaming moose on your property! I've never seen one in the wild, because I've never been where they are, but I would love to. They seem like amazing creatures. Scary too. I've seen video of one stomping a man when the moose came into a small town, somewhere, I cannot remember.

Ha! Yes, mice are indeed the spawn of Satan! And the butt floss too! LOL
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The moose are so gigantic that sadly at least 1 person a year dies in NH because of a car collision with a moose. We have to be very careful, even turning into our driveway (yes they've been there in front of our cars all of a sudden). Our pond leads to a very swampy area that moose love. They love swamps, and salt. They will lick the salt off the roads which is why they're out at dusk.

I have a great visual of the babies in your yard. It is worth the price of admission to watch them play! I will often sit in the bay window seat and watch them when they're playing in our yard...and smile.

Fellow softie (and fellow butt floss hater)! I knew you were a good person, and not just because you have excellent taste in shoes.:)
 
sangha said:
If some random hunters saw the deer, why assume that random hikers would not?

Or are hunters not random while hikers are?
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Dear not scared of mechanical devices especially vehicles.

At night we have pulled 10 feet away from a deer with the headlights on when eating, and sat there and watched them - it never bothered them in the least.
 
SMTA said:
That's why God made cats.

The per mouse cost is expensive, though.
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But kitties are well worth it. :) I haven't had a cat in a long time. Mostly because I wasn't sure of how my dogs would handle them.
 
apdst said:
I've spent hundreds of hours hunting, masking presence and didn't see anything. I doubt seriously that whitetails are any less skiddish in New York than in Louisiana. Hikers stomping through the woods aren't as likely to spot a deer as a hunter in a hidden position.
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You keep talking about stomping through the woods, but as a hiker, I have seen plenty of deer.

In fact, I don't have to go hiking in the woods. When I walk my dog, I'm more likely to see a deer on the road than not.
 
Gina said:
But kitties are well worth it. :) I haven't had a cat in a long time. Mostly because I wasn't sure of how my dogs would handle them.
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Our Golden Retriever is fine with our cats, and was a buddy with a rescued raccoon that we had several years ago.

The cats are cool with the dog, however it took the damn Siamese a couple of years to lighten up.
 
tres borrachos said:
That depends on where you/they are, and how often they see humans. In NJ, they are on the hairy edge of being tame. I've been to my sister's house and seen more than a few come within inches of us on the deck. Her dogs don't even concern them.
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Same here in our area. We have acres of woods in this area, and I think there are two or three different groups with young ones. They eat all the windfalls from my fruit trees - plus last year they actually ate every peach right off my trees while the neighbor and her mom delightedly watched...(I told her she had my permission to shoo them away if she saw it again - :2mad: - I like peaches too! :lol:) They do not allow hunting in our area, and everyone feeds them during the Winter. They're like family members! They are semi-tame, but the closest I have gotten to one on my property was a couple of feet, and after looking at each other for a few minutes, she turned and scampered off back into the woods. They are fast!
 
polgara said:
Same here in our area. We have acres of woods in this area, and I think there are two or three different groups with young ones. They eat all the windfalls from my fruit trees - plus last year they actually ate every peach right off my trees while the neighbor and her mom delightedly watched...(I told her she had my permission to shoo them away if she saw it again - :2mad: - I like peaches too! :lol:) They do not allow hunting in our area, and everyone feeds them during the Winter. They're like family members! They are semi-tame, but the closest I have gotten to one on my property was a couple of feet, and after looking at each other for a few minutes, she turned and scampered off back into the woods. They are fast!
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Deer do love to munch on what they aren't supposed to.;)
 
I hope it gets preserved. Much better to preserve it then let it die out in the wild.

Same concept with Indian artifacts. I don't care what people say, if I find an artifact I will not leave it. I will take it and preserve it.
 
tres borrachos said:
The moose are so gigantic that sadly at least 1 person a year dies in NH because of a car collision with a moose. We have to be very careful, even turning into our driveway (yes they've been there in front of our cars all of a sudden). Our pond leads to a very swampy area that moose love. They love swamps, and salt. They will lick the salt off the roads which is why they're out at dusk.

I have a great visual of the babies in your yard. It is worth the price of admission to watch them play! I will often sit in the bay window seat and watch them when they're playing in our yard...and smile.

Fellow softie (and fellow butt floss hater)! I knew you were a good person, and not just because you have excellent taste in shoes.:)
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That is scary to have to watch how you turn into your driveway, but so cool that they are that nearby your home! Wow! That's really awesome and very special. Envy! In the kindest way possible, TB. ;) I didn't know they love salt. Being on the road to get it, puts them and drivers in danger.

I can watch them from the kitchen sink, which gives me ample time to watch. ;) I have loads of pictures, but I can't stop from taking more whenever I can. We also watch them from the deck, but I'd love to have a window seat, just for that purpose.

As I knew you were, TB! :)
 
apdst said:
You can puposefully look for deer all you want and never see then...lol!
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I guess that's possible. It's not unheard of for deer hunters to get skunked either but they manage to find them, on purpose.
 
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