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Transgender federal employee wins historic discrimination case

Kal'Stang said:
Would you want a rapist using the stall next to your daughter? What's to stop a rapist from dressing up like a woman and using the women's restroom to "use the bathroom".

Personally I have no problem with transgenders using the bathroom that they identify with. So long as they've gone through the surgical transition first. Before then, use the bathroom for which your genitals coincide.
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I am transgender and if I go in a female bathroom, go in the stall, shut the door, do my business, leave the stall, wash my hands, then leave the room; how does anybody know if I have had surgery or not?
 
Paleocon said:
I hope they refuse to encourage this person in their self-mutilation and/or allow him to spy on women using the restroom, regardless of what their insane higher ups say.
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Unfortunately for you, and fortunately for me, the Federal Government supports people who are transgender using the bathroom of the gender they identify with:

"Sanitary and Related Facilities: The Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration (DOL/OSHA) guidelines (external link) require agencies to make access to adequate sanitary facilities as free as possible for all employees in order to avoid serious health consequences. For a transitioning employee, this means that, once he or she has begun living and working full-time in the gender that reflects his or her gender identity, agencies should allow access to restrooms and (if provided to other employees) locker room facilities consistent with his or her gender identity. While a reasonable temporary compromise may be appropriate in some circumstances, transitioning employees should not be required to have undergone or to provide proof of any particular medical procedure (including gender reassignment surgery) in order to have access to facilities designated for use by a particular gender. Under no circumstances may an agency require an employee to use facilities that are unsanitary, potentially unsafe for the employee, or located at an unreasonable distance from the employee's work station. Because every workplace is configured differently, agencies with questions regarding employee access to any facilities within an agency should contact OPM for further guidance."

Gender Identity Guidance
 
Good Lord........we have become a very sick society.......
 
What the hell are people getting so worked up about? If someone is transgendered, then why would you not accommodate them just like you would anyone else? What is so hard about calling referring to them by the pronouns appropriate for the gender they transitioned to and allowing them to use the appropriate facilities for the gender they transitioned to? Good God is it really asking that much out of people to refer to a male to female transgendered individual as Miss or ma'am (or a female to male as Mr or Sir)? It's their life and all you have to do is treat them with the same courtesy and decency that you would treat anyone else with.
 
Henrin said:
Sigh..

The individual is still a man and has no business in the female bathroom. I don't care if it hurts his feelings either.
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is she is fully transitioned (including sex change operation) then she has every right to be in the female bathroom. And it is her feelings ;)
 
She served our country, what business is it of mine to decide what bathroom she goes to?
 
ludin said:
i don't see how trampling on the rights of women everywhere to use a bathroom without having the opposite sex in their bathroom is a win for anyone.
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My rights were not "trampled on" at all with this ruling. I am a woman who frankly doesn't care who is using the women's room because I don't personally check to make sure that someone is a "real" woman (you know, performing DNA tests) prior to them using the restroom in the blocked off stall near me. I'm normal.

If someone is trying to spy on my privates in the restroom, I don't personally care whether they have XY chromosomes or XX chromosomes, nor do I care if they have a penis or a vagina because it doesn't matter.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm confused. Does Tamara have a penis or a vagina?
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Why does it matter? Have you people never been in a female restroom before? There are stalls. You cannot see the other woman's private parts, whether she has a penis or a vagina anyway.
 
1750Texan said:
Do the females in your home use a separate bathroom? Like most restrooms in American homes, restrooms are unisex.

How hard would it be to have a restroom used just like home...one at a time...by any sex.
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I work in retail right now, and a few days ago, we were remodeling the restrooms, one at a time. This meant one day, the men's restroom was used by both sexes and the next, the women's. I also have to allow any gender into either changing room (and even the restrooms) by store policy. It really isn't a big deal. I had a guy in with his girlfriend while she was trying on clothes just a few days ago. Wasn't a big deal.
 
American said:
Do you accompany the females when they go to the bathroom in your house? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Actually .... most couples don't care about seeing their spouse naked, may share showers
 
americanwoman said:
:lol: I don't get the bathroom issue at all. Like some guy is really going to put on a wig just to hear women take a ****. Plus it's not like there is anything that would stop that pervert now from doing it. Do people really think a bunch of men are just going to start dressing up like women just to go into a women's restroom? Because I really don't.
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And really, if you catch someone looking at you while you are trying to pee, does it matter if that person is a he or a she physically or genetically? I don't get that part. Either gender can be perverted.
 
American said:
Do you realize that public restrooms have room for more than one person. Of course you do, you just felt the need to say something stupid. A transgender with a ****ing penis has NO BUSINESS IN A WOMEN'S RESTROOM PERIOD. In spite of your hate for traditional values, most of us still appreciate them.
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And that means what exactly? This argument still doesn't make sense.

It isn't "traditional values" that are the problem. It is some people trying to maintain their personal "traditional" values for the rest of us.
 
American said:
You really are a problem, you know that? You think I want you and my daughter in the same restroom? Dude, I'm done with you, you're trolling this thread.
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Too bad. Deal with it. I don't personally want a lot of men in the restroom with my boys, but oh well.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Would you want a rapist using the stall next to your daughter? What's to stop a rapist from dressing up like a woman and using the women's restroom to "use the bathroom".

Personally I have no problem with transgenders using the bathroom that they identify with. So long as they've gone through the surgical transition first. Before then, use the bathroom for which your genitals coincide.
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What's to stop a woman from being a rapist? Would you rather a rapist or worse, a pedophile be sharing a bathroom with your sons? What kind of stupid argument is it that assumes that transgendered people are going to be rapist? Heck, it is a plainly statistical unlikelihood that a rapist would be able to have that much unlimited access to any restroom like that for a significant enough amount of time to attack/assault anyone.
 
roguenuke said:
Too bad. Deal with it. I don't personally want a lot of men in the restroom with my boys, but oh well.
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No, I won't deal with it, and I don't have to. Deal with that.
 
roguenuke said:
And that means what exactly? This argument still doesn't make sense.

It isn't "traditional values" that are the problem. It is some people trying to maintain their personal "traditional" values for the rest of us.
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I don't have to accept someone that is in the middle of a transgender situation, trying to push their way into situation where they break with longstanding traditional etiquette. Just because you want something to change, doesn't mean it has to or that the rest of us have to do it your way.
 
It should be up to the business owner to allow transgenders in the bathrooms of their choosing not government

In terms of government, it should be no questions asked about bathrooms because everybody pays taxes for the established property of the state, if there's a pervert in the bathroom I am sure there will be actions taken to stop it.

The problem with these legislations is it will be another law to allow governmental interference into private ownerships of business that's the real issue with this law. If you force a business owner to practice something he doesn't agree with then its taking away the civil rights of business owners REGARDLESS of what is being forced
 
American said:
I don't have to accept someone that is in the middle of a transgender situation, trying to push their way into situation where they break with longstanding traditional etiquette. Just because you want something to change, doesn't mean it has to or that the rest of us have to do it your way.
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If you don't personally own the bathroom/locker room they're using, you don't get to make the decision
 
roguenuke said:
My rights were not "trampled on" at all with this ruling. I am a woman who frankly doesn't care who is using the women's room because I don't personally check to make sure that someone is a "real" woman (you know, performing DNA tests) prior to them using the restroom in the blocked off stall near me. I'm normal.

If someone is trying to spy on my privates in the restroom, I don't personally care whether they have XY chromosomes or XX chromosomes, nor do I care if they have a penis or a vagina because it doesn't matter.
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i am an island argument doesn't apply. there are many other women that oppose having the opposite sex in their bathroom.
 
roguenuke said:
If you don't personally own the bathroom/locker room they're using, you don't get to make the decision
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So, your position is the owner of the bathroom decides. That works for private homes, now what about public? Well the public has decided. The decision is this: if you have a penis you use one bathroom, if you have a vagina you use another. You can play pretend all you want, but your physiology in that one aspect is the sole determiner.
 
Look, I can resolve this. How about we create a separate bathroom for the mentally confused so anyone not sure what there gender is can go in there and the rest of the mentally stable population doesn't have to be inconvenienced by such nonsense.

There. Problem solved.
 
Fletch said:
Look, I can resolve this. How about we create a separate bathroom for the mentally confused so anyone not sure what there gender is can go in there and the rest of the mentally stable population doesn't have to be inconvenienced by such nonsense.

There. Problem solved.
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Not a bad solution but for one question, who pays for this new requirement?
 
clownboy said:
Not a bad solution but for one question, who pays for this new requirement?
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We can raise taxes on liberals only. Since they support this kind of nonsense, let them pay for it.
 
ludin said:
i am an island argument doesn't apply. there are many other women that oppose having the opposite sex in their bathroom.
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Not that many would notice, plus since we have stalls, it shouldn't be that big a deal either. That is like caring about there being stalls rather than a single restroom so you don't have anyone who might look or bother you.

I say to those women "too bad". Wait til you get home or suck it up just as those with any fears of public restrooms do.
 
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