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McCain says he would support Rand Paul for President
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Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul
Your ideology is not one I need to study or learn,but I strongly suggest you do.
At it's core, it must focus on social equality over individual liberty. In a nutshell, that is what differentiates left and right libertarianism. you can hide behind all the labels you want, but your blend of "libertarianism" requires a more centralized and powerful government entity to implement the previously stated goal.
Your ideology is not one I need to study or learn,but I strongly suggest you do.
At it's core, it must focus on social equality over individual liberty. In a nutshell, that is what differentiates left and right libertarianism. you can hide behind all the labels you want, but your blend of "libertarianism" requires a more centralized and powerful government entity to implement the previously stated goal.
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Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul
Interesting how you claim I need to read up on left libertarianism yet you refuse to do so yourself. Enjoy wallowing in your own ignorance.
Interesting how you claim I need to read up on left libertarianism yet you refuse to do so yourself. Enjoy wallowing in your own ignorance.
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Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul
you act like this is some new concept. it isn't. it's old and tired, and rooted in class warfare jealousy.
"boohoo, the rich exploit the poor, and we need to create laws to prevent that."
now enough of your thread derailment. I explained my lean and my username which spawned this diversion.
you act like this is some new concept. it isn't. it's old and tired, and rooted in class warfare jealousy.
"boohoo, the rich exploit the poor, and we need to create laws to prevent that."
now enough of your thread derailment. I explained my lean and my username which spawned this diversion.
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Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul
Umm, no. I never said libertarianism was a new concept.
No, its rooted in the recognition of State privilege.
Most left libertarians seek a more free and less hierarchical society through voluntary action, not State interventionism.
Umm, no. I never said libertarianism was a new concept.
No, its rooted in the recognition of State privilege.
Most left libertarians seek a more free and less hierarchical society through voluntary action, not State interventionism.
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Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul
As did Karl Marx.
funny how both ideologies claim to achieve their goals without state intervention, yet boils down to crying about the rich exploiting the poor.
As did Karl Marx.
funny how both ideologies claim to achieve their goals without state intervention, yet boils down to crying about the rich exploiting the poor.
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Um, no. Marx advocated for state intervention. The Marxist "solution" met resistance by the anti-state Left (e.g. Proudhon, Tucker, etc.)
Most left libertarians take no issue with becoming wealthy in of itself. It is state privilege which we oppose. State privilege leads to an artificial wealth gap we see today. Left libertarians/anarchists believe that once those privileges are removed then we will see a much freer and equal society.
This article on Benjamin Tucker and his freed market socialist (confused?) views is an enlightening one which explains the position of many left libertarians.
I won't derail this thread any longer. If you want to continue the discussion you are welcome to PM me.
Um, no. Marx advocated for state intervention. The Marxist "solution" met resistance by the anti-state Left (e.g. Proudhon, Tucker, etc.)
Most left libertarians take no issue with becoming wealthy in of itself. It is state privilege which we oppose. State privilege leads to an artificial wealth gap we see today. Left libertarians/anarchists believe that once those privileges are removed then we will see a much freer and equal society.
This article on Benjamin Tucker and his freed market socialist (confused?) views is an enlightening one which explains the position of many left libertarians.
I won't derail this thread any longer. If you want to continue the discussion you are welcome to PM me.
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Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul
only in the first phase. His description of the second stage or whatever he called it can only be interpreted as an example of a stateless solution
only in the first phase. His description of the second stage or whatever he called it can only be interpreted as an example of a stateless solution
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Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul
You are being awfully vague. That level of vagueness would not have changed the outcome of the election. McCain pretty much sunk himself with two bad moves 1) selection Sarah Palin, who might have been fine had she keep her mouth shut and 2) his "suspend the campaign" to head back to Washington to fix the economy (the sat in a meeting with Prez Bush where HE kept his mouth shut.)
McCain is a good man. He just is not presidential material.
You are being awfully vague. That level of vagueness would not have changed the outcome of the election. McCain pretty much sunk himself with two bad moves 1) selection Sarah Palin, who might have been fine had she keep her mouth shut and 2) his "suspend the campaign" to head back to Washington to fix the economy (the sat in a meeting with Prez Bush where HE kept his mouth shut.)
McCain is a good man. He just is not presidential material.
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Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul
Of course, retreating to Breitbart for your answer to "why McCain lost" is a bit like running to mother. She isn't going to tell you the truth, but will rather whisper soothing and comforting words into your ear. S0, if you want to live your life listening to only the things you want to hear, continue to find respite in your right wing news sources. OTH, if you want to grow a pair, and step into the real world, you will find many articles that might challenge your world view.
McCain's loss was first and foremost a repudiation of Bush and the neocons. He did a poor job of distancing himself from Bush, when the nation, as a whole, wanted to run away from Bush. So, with McCain swimming upstream, he then further complicated his chances of success with the two things I outlined....
Analysis: Turning points led to McCain's defeat - CNN.com
Why Did John McCain Lose? | RealClearPolitics
Campaign Strategy: Why Obama Won and McCain Lost - Election 2012
http://www.euronews.com/2008/11/05/why-did-mccain-lose-us-election/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/11/05/us-usa-election-mccain-idUSTRE4A47Z020081105
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/...-breaks-silence-sarah-palin/story?id=11521614
http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/jonathan-chait/78407/did-palin-hurt-mccain
http://spectator.org/articles/42876/how-john-mccain-lost
McCain lost because he didn't raise enough money? Seriously? That doesn't strike you as a woefully weak argument? It should. Do you know why he did raise enough money? See above.
Of course, retreating to Breitbart for your answer to "why McCain lost" is a bit like running to mother. She isn't going to tell you the truth, but will rather whisper soothing and comforting words into your ear. S0, if you want to live your life listening to only the things you want to hear, continue to find respite in your right wing news sources. OTH, if you want to grow a pair, and step into the real world, you will find many articles that might challenge your world view.
McCain's loss was first and foremost a repudiation of Bush and the neocons. He did a poor job of distancing himself from Bush, when the nation, as a whole, wanted to run away from Bush. So, with McCain swimming upstream, he then further complicated his chances of success with the two things I outlined....
Analysis: Turning points led to McCain's defeat - CNN.com
Why Did John McCain Lose? | RealClearPolitics
Campaign Strategy: Why Obama Won and McCain Lost - Election 2012
http://www.euronews.com/2008/11/05/why-did-mccain-lose-us-election/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/11/05/us-usa-election-mccain-idUSTRE4A47Z020081105
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/...-breaks-silence-sarah-palin/story?id=11521614
http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/jonathan-chait/78407/did-palin-hurt-mccain
http://spectator.org/articles/42876/how-john-mccain-lost
McCain lost because he didn't raise enough money? Seriously? That doesn't strike you as a woefully weak argument? It should. Do you know why he did raise enough money? See above.
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