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101st Airborne Won’t Get Full Protective Hazmat Suits for Ebola Mission in West Afric

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"It's better to fight it over there than over here".
We are not fighting. Once again, what is our vital national interest?

Why did The One on the golf course send a brigade's worth of troops to Ebola country? Has Ebola declared war on the US? Has it stopped the free flow of oil at market prices?

Or is The One getting ready to import yet more of the world's poorest blacks to America to change the electorate?
 
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"What American vital national interest do we have that would cause The One on the golf course to send American military troops to Ebola country?"
Your post has nothing to do with anything I said, nor is it relevant to the lie in the OP, which takes a quote out of context and spins it into something completely untrue.
The One is sending a brigade's worth of American military troops to Ebola country. Why?

This is a simple question. Why doesn't anyone on the left have an answer? Under The One on the golf course and his henchmen, this regime is reducing the size of the military to its lowest point in my memory. So why is the despicable, anti-American president sending our precious military to Ebola country? Why doesn't he send some of his Brown shirts? He has militarized much of the federal bureaucracy.
 
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Mornin' OGM
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Thanks for that link. No.....it wasn't and you are the first to show how that force will be divided up.

But then again.....I still see no need to send in the 101st. Like others have mention.....they are a Elite Combat Unit.

This part of the 101st isnt an elite combat unit or even just a combat unit. Its their HQ.
 
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This part of the 101st isnt an elite combat unit or even just a combat unit. Its their HQ.



Yes it is.....despite being a Ranger HQ. Also you will note they have been in Afghanistan with 2013 finishing out their Last tour and that....they were the Only Sustainment Brigade we had in Afghanistan.

On March 17, 2012 the Brigade was reorganized and redesignated as Headquarters and Special Troops Battalion, 101st Sustainment Brigade. On 08 June 2013, the Brigade Headquarters returned for a fourth time to Afghanistan to provide sustainment support to Regional Commands East, North and Capital. On November 28, 2013 the brigade assumed responsibilities as the sole sustainment brigade providing sustainment support for the Combined Joint Operations Area-Afghanistan incorporating Regional Commands South, Southwest and West. Known as the “LifeLiners,” the 101st Sustainment Brigade continues to demonstrate its ability to support and accomplish its mission with both strength and pride, confidently reflecting upon its illustrious history as it prepares for its next “rendezvous with destiny.”.....snip~

101st Sustainment Brigade Units:

2nd Battalion, 44th Air Defense Artillery Regiment

101st Special Troops Battalion

129th Combat Sustainment Support Battalion

716th Military Police Battalion.....snip~

101st Sustainment Brigade
 
Re: 101st Airborne Won’t Get Full Protective Hazmat Suits for Ebola Mission in West A

"What American vital national interest do we have that would cause The One on the golf course to send American military troops to Ebola country?"

The One is sending a brigade's worth of American military troops to Ebola country. Why?

This is a simple question. Why doesn't anyone on the left have an answer? Under The One on the golf course and his henchmen, this regime is reducing the size of the military to its lowest point in my memory. So why is the despicable, anti-American president sending our precious military to Ebola country? Why doesn't he send some of his Brown shirts? He has militarized much of the federal bureaucracy.

Again, this in no way has anything to do with anything I have commented on in this thread. Let's see if we can find some common ground. Would you agree, based on the evidence provided in the thread including the full quote from general Rodriguez, that the OP is a lie? Would you agree that based on the evidence provided in this thread that the 101st is not just taking hazmat suits, but being trained in their usage, decontamination procedures, and everything else relevant to staying alive and healthy in the environment? If not, what are you basing your disagreement on?
 
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Mornin' OGM
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Thanks for that link. No.....it wasn't and you are the first to show how that force will be divided up.

But then again.....I still see no need to send in the 101st. Like others have mention.....they are a Elite Combat Unit.

All of the US military are elite combat units. All of the US military does jobs that are not combat related.

Now, there are some people with access to all the information on deployment schedules, training schedules, needs of the mission, availability and skills of units. They chose the 101st. Then there is you, with none of that information available. WWhy do you seem to think you know better than those with more information and more training?
 
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All of the US military are elite combat units. All of the US military does jobs that are not combat related.

Now, there are some people with access to all the information on deployment schedules, training schedules, needs of the mission, availability and skills of units. They chose the 101st. Then there is you, with none of that information available. WWhy do you seem to think you know better than those with more information and more training?

No, not ALL of the military. Most of the military are support units.
 
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No, not ALL of the military. Most of the military are support units.

SO, apdst, will you agree, based on the evidence provided including the full quote from General Rodriguez, that the premise of this thread you created was based on a lie?
 
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SO, apdst, will you agree, based on the evidence provided including the full quote from General Rodriguez, that the premise of this thread you created was based on a lie?

What lie?
 
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All of the US military are elite combat units. All of the US military does jobs that are not combat related.

Now, there are some people with access to all the information on deployment schedules, training schedules, needs of the mission, availability and skills of units. They chose the 101st. Then there is you, with none of that information available. WWhy do you seem to think you know better than those with more information and more training?


Not all US military are like Rangers......Rangers are Spec Ops too.

Yes then there is me, who has been in battle and who Lead the Way.....and more importantly, Survived several of those battles.

All it takes is being a Leader.....something you could Never understand nor attain.
 
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What lie?

This one. It is even the thread title:


101st Airborne Won’t Get Full Protective Hazmat Suits for Ebola Mission in West Afric
 
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This one. It is even the thread title:

Are claiming that the 101st Airborne soldiers are being issued hazmat suits?
 
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The people who need them will be issued them.
 
Re: 101st Airborne Won’t Get Full Protective Hazmat Suits for Ebola Mission in West A

Are claiming that the 101st Airborne soldiers are being issued hazmat suits?

Issued to individual soldiers, no. Issued to the unit and available to use as needed, yes, as I have documented in this very thread, including a picture of them training on the suits(that you claimed was not the 101st, except it specifically stated it was).
 
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well it aint like they are Marine Corps or somehting.

Fortunately!
 
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Issued to individual soldiers, no. Issued to the unit and available to use as needed, yes, as I have documented in this very thread, including a picture of them training on the suits(that you claimed was not the 101st, except it specifically stated it was).

No, you didn't prove that. Nice try at lieing your way through, though.
 
Re: 101st Airborne Won’t Get Full Protective Hazmat Suits for Ebola Mission in West A

No, you didn't prove that. Nice try at lieing your way through, though.

Actually I did. I showed the General's full quote, which was significantly different in meaning than claimed, I showed the soldiers training with the gear. Shall we take a look, yet again?


First, let's docvument the lie in your OP. Here is the quote in your OP:

troops from the 101st Airborne Division leading the military response to Ebola in West Africa will only need gloves and masks to protect themselves from the deadly virus, so said Gen. David Rodriguez at a Pentagon briefing Wednesday.

Now let's look at his actual words:

Q: And the personal protective gear?
GEN. RODRIGUEZ: The personal protective gear, the majority of the people will just deploy with personal protective gear that includes gloves and masks and things like that. They don't need the whole suit, as such, because they're not going to be in contact with any of the people.

Notice the "majority of". That is alot different from all. If you are building a ETU, you don't need more than gloves. If however, you are going to be dealing with patients or tissue samples:
Also note:
And last, we have sufficient personal protective equipment for ourselves, and we will continue to make sure that that's the way throughout the process.

And:

GEN. RODRIGUEZ: The lab -- the labs are a separate specialty element of the force. So that's -- that's probably where that has come. As far as the general population, they won't be coming in contact. These are -- like I said, these labs are trained to a specialty skill -- level four, it's called -- but the bottom line, it's the highest level. I mean, they can operate in a nuclear, biological and chemical environment. They are specifically trained to do that, and that's their primary skill set, OK?
And we had one in there that has been operating for several years in the country that works on infectious diseases. We have the -- both the Navy and the Army have medical labs in many countries doing just that, to monitor these things. OK?

So anyway, yeah, most of them will not need full suits, but some will, and they have enough, and are highly trained and experienced in working in NBC contaminated environments.

And then there is this: Soldiers briefed, trained for tough Ebola mission

Following the briefing, there was extensive training on how to wear the protective gear – protective masks, boots, gloves (two pairs minimum and three pairs recommended) and Tyvex suits.
Every soldier was required to don the gear and go through the decontamination process, aided by West Virginia Army National Guard full-time personnel of the 35th CST (Civil Support Team) and CERFP (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, High-Explosive Emergency Response Force Package) personnel.
The equipment displayed on Thursday will likely be part of the package that goes with the 101st, although a much simpler decontamination set-up can also be made using standard cleaning supplies like bleach and other items the Liberians will find easier to procure.

So not just do they have enough, every one is getting trained in their use.
 
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Again, this in no way has anything to do with anything I have commented on in this thread. Let's see if we can find some common ground. Would you agree, based on the evidence provided in the thread including the full quote from general Rodriguez, that the OP is a lie? Would you agree that based on the evidence provided in this thread that the 101st is not just taking hazmat suits, but being trained in their usage, decontamination procedures, and everything else relevant to staying alive and healthy in the environment? If not, what are you basing your disagreement on?
However the brigade eventually is equipped your questions are not relevant until we understand the vital national interest we are protecting on behalf of the American nation and people. This is the crucial question. Who will answer? Why did The One on the golf course send precious American military troops to Ebola country?
 
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Actually I did. I showed the General's full quote, which was significantly different in meaning than claimed, I showed the soldiers training with the gear. Shall we take a look, yet again?


First, let's docvument the lie in your OP. Here is the quote in your OP:



Now let's look at his actual words:



Notice the "majority of". That is alot different from all. If you are building a ETU, you don't need more than gloves. If however, you are going to be dealing with patients or tissue samples:
Also note:


And:



So anyway, yeah, most of them will not need full suits, but some will, and they have enough, and are highly trained and experienced in working in NBC contaminated environments.

And then there is this: Soldiers briefed, trained for tough Ebola mission



So not just do they have enough, every one is getting trained in their use.

How many times are you going to lie? Or, rather, how many ways are you going lie? No where does anything you posted prove that the 101st soldiers have PPE at the individual, crew, or unit level. You claimed that one-oh-one personel have PPE available at the unit level; you failed to support that, much less prove it...that means you lied.

The 35th CST isn't the 101st Airborne...another lie. In case you didn't notice, the the thread topic is about the 101st Airborne. Those are two different units. Do you understand the difference?

You did an awesome job at lieing!
 
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However the brigade eventually is equipped your questions are not relevant until we understand the vital national interest we are protecting on behalf of the American nation and people. This is the crucial question. Who will answer? Why did The One on the golf course send precious American military troops to Ebola country?

Look champ, if you're gonna participate in this debate you're going to have to listen...

Reasons have been given and you have rejected, that's fine if you want to leave it at that.

But don't pretend that your reason for opposing this deployment has but anything to do with Obama.

That's literally the only reason you have a problem with this.

It is absolutely in the national interest to tackle this thing but you refuse to see the light because it's Obama doing it.

It's going to happen so get over it.
 
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Look champ, if you're gonna participate in this debate you're going to have to listen...

Reasons have been given and you have rejected, that's fine if you want to leave it at that.

But don't pretend that your reason for opposing this deployment has but anything to do with Obama.

That's literally the only reason you have a problem with this.

It is absolutely in the national interest to tackle this thing but you refuse to see the light because it's Obama doing it.

It's going to happen so get over it.

You mean that if any other prez ordered this deployment, Mistervertis would be all for it? Are you a mind reader, now?
 
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Yes it is.....despite being a Ranger HQ. Also you will note they have been in Afghanistan with 2013 finishing out their Last tour and that....they were the Only Sustainment Brigade we had in Afghanistan.

On March 17, 2012 the Brigade was reorganized and redesignated as Headquarters and Special Troops Battalion, 101st Sustainment Brigade. On 08 June 2013, the Brigade Headquarters returned for a fourth time to Afghanistan to provide sustainment support to Regional Commands East, North and Capital. On November 28, 2013 the brigade assumed responsibilities as the sole sustainment brigade providing sustainment support for the Combined Joint Operations Area-Afghanistan incorporating Regional Commands South, Southwest and West. Known as the “LifeLiners,” the 101st Sustainment Brigade continues to demonstrate its ability to support and accomplish its mission with both strength and pride, confidently reflecting upon its illustrious history as it prepares for its next “rendezvous with destiny.”.....snip~

101st Sustainment Brigade Units:

2nd Battalion, 44th Air Defense Artillery Regiment

101st Special Troops Battalion

129th Combat Sustainment Support Battalion

716th Military Police Battalion.....snip~

101st Sustainment Brigade

Im sorry but HQ isnt a combat unit and certainly not an elite one at that.
 
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"However the brigade eventually is equipped your questions are not relevant until we understand the vital national interest we are protecting on behalf of the American nation and people. This is the crucial question. Who will answer? Why did The One on the golf course send precious American military troops to Ebola country?"
Look champ, if you're gonna participate in this debate you're going to have to listen...

Reasons have been given and you have rejected, that's fine if you want to leave it at that.
Yeah. I was looking for vital national interests. Those of you who have answered have offered platitudes. It is a hard question made especially troubling since we do not have any vital national interests there that we must protect.

But don't pretend that your reason for opposing this deployment has but anything to do with Obama.

That's literally the only reason you have a problem with this.

It is absolutely in the national interest to tackle this thing but you refuse to see the light because it's Obama doing it.

It's going to happen so get over it.
So if you are so certain that it is a vital national interest I am certain that in the next few messages you will identify what is vital about it and why we are sending American troops.

When I as "what is the vital national interest" and you respond with the very low information, "It is absolutely in the national interest to tackle this thing..." it is clear that you have no idea.

Understood. You are like many others who enjoy the idea that the small amount of remaining combat power the nation has will be sent to an african nation to rake leaves and change diapers.
 
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You mean that if any other prez ordered this deployment, Mistervertis would be all for it? Are you a mind reader, now?
And in the end I would ask the same question. What vital national interest did The One send American troops to Ebola country to protect?
 
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