School Told to Call Kids ‘Purple Penguins’ Because ‘Boys and Girls’ Is Not Inclusive

Lutherf · Oct 9, 2014

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Gina said:
The National Review is not The Onion. I'll just leave it at that.

I can just imagine how something like this would work with kids over the age of 6 or so.:lamo

Slartibartfast · Oct 9, 2014

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Ikari said:
...so human isn't inclusive enough?

Not for the furries and yiffers!

Lutherf · Oct 9, 2014

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tacomancer said:
Not for the furries and yiffers!

I know I'm going to regret asking this but what the hell is a "yiffer"?

Slartibartfast · Oct 9, 2014

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Lutherf said:
I know I'm going to regret asking this but what the hell is a "yiffer"?

A furry with extra spice I guess you could say

Mr.Nick · Oct 9, 2014

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Papa bull said:
I'm sure some liberals here will think this is a wonderful idea but I think liberals are taking this country right off the deep end with this kind of insanity.

School Told to Call Kids

I don't know how progressives even come up with this ****.....

Penguins?

Oh and these progressive insist they're not attempting to revise past and present history...

Sorry progressives, a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl...... 15 years later they will procreate and you know what? the won't be doing it as "penguins."

Teachers and policy makers who come up with this nonsense should be fired for epic stupidity if not for the simple fact they're still stuck in Dr. Seuss land.

sangha · Oct 9, 2014

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Cardinal said:
Hot damn am I good or what!

Gender Trolls

Claim: A school district in Lincoln, Nebraska has banned the use of gender pronouns and ordered teachers to use neutral terms such as "purple penguins" instead.

MIXTURE:

TRUE: Lincoln Public Schools have provided educators with materials to better understand gender identity issues.

FALSE: The Lincoln school district has banned all reference to gender and discouraged use of gendered pronouns in favor of calling students "purple penguins."

snopes.com: Nebraska School Bans Genders in Favor of 'Purple Penguins'

there's something seriously wrong with right wingers who believe any ridiculous thing they read if it can be used against the left

BTW, Lincoln is split almost 50-50 D vs R

Cardinal · Oct 9, 2014

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sangha said:
there's something seriously wrong with right wingers who believe any ridiculous thing they read if it can be used against the left

BTW, Lincoln is split almost 50-50 D vs R

My rule is simple: if the article you found is just a little too good at painting the other side as blatantly ridiculous, cross check the story with Snopes first.

sangha · Oct 9, 2014

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Lutherf said:
I can just imagine how something like this would work with kids over the age of 6 or so.:lamo

Well, the OP seemed to fall for it :lol:

Hard Truth · Oct 9, 2014

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The suggestions are rather extreme but it is a good idea to eliminate gender stereotyping and segregation when it is not necessary and let kids be who they are (but make them smarter, more educated, confident and stronger).

Mason66 · Oct 9, 2014

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Gina said:
Yeah, if it were true, I'd completely disagree with it. I agree with being sensitive to gender issues and the reasons the school district is taking this on, middle school is a time when LGBT kids are likely to be bullied, but "Purple Penguins" is rather ridiculous.

However, the schools have not been instructed to, "stop referring to students by “gendered expressions” such as “boys and girls,” and use “gender inclusive” ones such as “purple penguins” instead."

That is untrue.

Read more at snopes.com: Nebraska School Bans Genders in Favor of 'Purple Penguins'

They paraphrased materials from this website: https://www.genderspectrum.org/

According to Lincoln Public Schools:

A parent who is challenging this policy with the school board doesn't mention "Purple Penguins", but cites this passage in her email to parents.

LPS staff's transgender training concerns parents : Lincoln, NE Journal Star

I applaud the Superintendent's efforts to be more inclusive of LGBT kids. I'm on the fence at how effective changing out pronouns might be, but making staff more aware of the issue, in general, is a good thing. IMO

"Purple Penguins" is misleading, at least from what I found.

Even if there is an LGBT kid inthe class, they would identify with either boys or girls and go with that group, so what benefit wold it give to call them purple?

Mason66 · Oct 9, 2014

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Hard Truth said:
The suggestions are rather extreme but it is a good idea to eliminate gender stereotyping and segregation when it is not necessary and let kids be who they are (but make them smarter, more educated, confident and stronger).

Who are they other than boys and girls?

Gina · Oct 9, 2014

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Mason66 said:
Even if there is an LGBT kid inthe class, they would identify with either boys or girls and go with that group, so what benefit wold it give to call them purple?

I agree. I think the Purple Penguins thing is ridiculous.

ALiberalModerate · Oct 9, 2014

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sangha said:
there's something seriously wrong with right wingers who believe any ridiculous thing they read if it can be used against the left

BTW, Lincoln is split almost 50-50 D vs R

Its culture, the hardcore righties are just hung up about culture wars. They are absolutely obsessed with it. Its practically an OCD neurosis with them. "Stores say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas", "They renamed Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day", All the absurd conspiracy theories around "Common Core".......and on and on and on and on....I don't get it.

tech30528 · Oct 9, 2014

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The PC mentality is just a couple of steps past nature and puberty. Explain it all you want, there is a day boys wake up with a stiffy and get interested in boobs. Adjust it all you like, you can not out pace biology. if we were all equal we would be extinct within a couple of generations.

Hard Truth · Oct 10, 2014

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Mason66 said:
Who are they other than boys and girls?

Masculinity and femininity are a continuum and everyone is on a different part of the spectrum in different areas of their lives. A few people's internal gender is different than their physical gender. In some cases it is because they were born with ambiguous genitals and doctors choose a gender and operate to make them that gender.

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Hard Truth said:
Masculinity and femininity are a continuum and everyone is on a different part of the spectrum in different areas of their lives. A few people's internal gender is different than their physical gender. In some cases it is because they were born with ambiguous genitals and doctors choose a gender and operate to make them that gender.

They are still boys and girls, no matter what somebody told them to think.

Where did you get internal gender anyway?

We are talking about junior high school aged kids. Do you not think they know what a boy and a girl is by then?

Hard Truth · Oct 10, 2014

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Mason66 said:
....Where did you get internal gender anyway?...

"Gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (discontent) with the sex they were assigned at birth and/or the gender roles associated with that sex. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones....."
Gender identity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia citing Heylens, G; De Cuypere, G; Zucker, K; Schelfaut, C; Elaut, E; Vanden Bossche, H; De Baere, E; T'Sjoen, G (2012). "Gender Identity Disorder in Twins: A Review of the Case Report Literature". The Journal of Sexual Medicine 8 (3): 751–757. doi:10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02567.x.

Hicup · Oct 10, 2014

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Mr.Nick said:
I don't know how progressives even come up with this ****.....

Penguins?

Oh and these progressive insist they're not attempting to revise past and present history...

Sorry progressives, a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl...... 15 years later they will procreate and you know what? the won't be doing it as "penguins."

Teachers and policy makers who come up with this nonsense should be fired for epic stupidity if not for the simple fact they're still stuck in Dr. Seuss land.

That's the problem. They can't be fired, they're in control, and have been for the last 40 years! Stuff like this really makes me mad, I mean really mad, like I want to physically harm these Darwin candidates!

Anyone that pays attention to modern education these days can't help but come away with a very dim outlook for our future. If it isn't the knee jerk laziness of our teachers to run as fast as they can to the school psychologist to get these "unruly" (meaning rambunctious boys) kids drugged up on ADHD meds, then it is the almost deranged ideological nudging of school curriculums into more progressive PC friendly indoctrination courses.

I mean, it really is scary, and only a few of us really see how it works.

Tim-

Mason66 · Oct 10, 2014

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Hard Truth said:
"Gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (discontent) with the sex they were assigned at birth and/or the gender roles associated with that sex. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones....."
Gender identity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia citing Heylens, G; De Cuypere, G; Zucker, K; Schelfaut, C; Elaut, E; Vanden Bossche, H; De Baere, E; T'Sjoen, G (2012). "Gender Identity Disorder in Twins: A Review of the Case Report Literature". The Journal of Sexual Medicine 8 (3): 751–757. doi:10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02567.x.

How often does that happen?

You don't confuse 99.9 percent of kids by catering to .01 percent of them.

Do you think even somebody with that "disorder" doesn't know if they are a boy or a girl biologically?

clownboy · Oct 10, 2014

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Call them rugrats, ankle biters or, maybe well, kids then.

year2late · Oct 10, 2014

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I was so happy to see the snopes reference pages ago.:2wave:

Here it is again.

snopes.com: Nebraska School Bans Genders in Favor of 'Purple Penguins'

I was sorry to see there was any basis for this, but at least a lot of it was false.

Note to people worried about this. If you are an adult...just say "children" or "kids". No need for defamation of penguin.

radcen · Oct 10, 2014

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Ikari said:
...so human isn't inclusive enough?

No, it isn't. It presupposes male dominance. HuMAN

I'm being facetious... kind of.

d0gbreath · Oct 10, 2014

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Can I get a show of hands from all of the Progressives in Nebraska?

No one?

radcen · Oct 10, 2014

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Hard Truth said:
"Gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (discontent) with the sex they were assigned at birth and/or the gender roles associated with that sex. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones....."
Gender identity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia citing Heylens, G; De Cuypere, G; Zucker, K; Schelfaut, C; Elaut, E; Vanden Bossche, H; De Baere, E; T'Sjoen, G (2012). "Gender Identity Disorder in Twins: A Review of the Case Report Literature". The Journal of Sexual Medicine 8 (3): 751–757. doi:10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02567.x.

GID is very real, but... aren't we crossing the line over into absurd when we start talking about no longer using gender-specific phrases? Whether a person is literally physically one or the other, or if they internally identify as one or the other (or both), they're still one or the other (or both), hence no one is being excluded. I swear, sometimes the human species makes things more complicated than they need to be.

BmanMcfly · Oct 10, 2014

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Cardinal said:
Hot damn am I good or what!

Gender Trolls

Claim: A school district in Lincoln, Nebraska has banned the use of gender pronouns and ordered teachers to use neutral terms such as "purple penguins" instead.

MIXTURE:

TRUE: Lincoln Public Schools have provided educators with materials to better understand gender identity issues.

FALSE: The Lincoln school district has banned all reference to gender and discouraged use of gendered pronouns in favor of calling students "purple penguins."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/education/purplepenguins.asp

As usual, snopes comes to try to mislead. (Not that the purple penguins is completely honest either.

It's not a "ban" per se.

It talks about gender identity, and that they should split the class, rather than by gender, but by things like preference. To minimize using gender terms like "you guys".

Further, they want to teach kids (not sure at what age that starts), that there's your biological sex, the sex that you associate yourself as, and the sex you want to be addressed as (male, female, both or neither).

At one point it does bring out the purple penguins as one of many alternative "gender inclusive" terms.

Personally, I think this goes from the ridiculous to the harmful, depending on just how strongly this gets enforced in schools.

It's bad enough that most kids sports don't even count score in the games... now they want to just further and needlessly confuse children.

Since being LGBT is really a small portion of the population, and that this seems to be aimed at younger children, who would never have even thought about being LGBT, or as a spectrum of gender, at most just the biological aspects of sex education should be made, at an appropriate age.

Or maybe taught as part of inevitable "sensitivity training", but to transform the sexual identity of otherwise normal children is wrong.

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	TRUE: Lincoln Public Schools have provided educators with materials to better understand gender identity issues.

	FALSE: The Lincoln school district has banned all reference to gender and discouraged use of gendered pronouns in favor of calling students "purple penguins."