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Obama denounces Russian 'aggression' in Europe.....

Heya Jack. :2wave: Yeah and when the 29 opposition groups pledged against us. Their commanders admitted that they would give the weapons to al Nusra. Since they were the ones taking the fight to Assad.

That was back when Idris of the FSA said they would make sure the weapons didn't fall into radicals hands.

Yep, and these Terrorists are everybodys enemy.
This whole thing seems like lunacy to me. The message can't get any clearer that when we arm and support people in this region it will come back to haunt us. Has this ever NOT been the case? And yet here we are again talking about using air power in conjunction with arming, training, and supporting local militias.:shock:

If we really go down this road I can tell you how it's going to end right now.
 
I believe Putin is already on record pointing out the hypocrisy of Obama even before Obama started bombing Syria and Iraq.

Indeed he is, and once again, he's right.
 
No it isn't. Link?

I seem to remember the republicans screaming from the rooftops we need to arm the rebels, we need to arm the rebels, we need to do something, and Obama being hesitant saying some of these people are even worse than Assad and not on our side. McCain and Graham were the biggest screamers.

And now you have to audacity to blame him for arming the rebels?

You people get more ridiculous all the time!

Benghazi! Smuggling weapons pilfered from Gaddafi's army to the separatists in Syria through Turkey.
 
I'd say we've gotten ourselves into quite the little pickle here.

We've actively supported the rebels trying to oust Assad while Russia has historically supported him. Now with the emergence of ISIS, Russia, Assad, AND the US seem to have a common enemy.

Perhaps when the Russians intervened on behalf of Assad during that chemical weapons/"red line" situation a while back they knew something we didn't?

They did indeed. They, along with China warned three years ago that US interference in Syria would cause the crisis to spread throughout the region!!
 
Well here is one thing BO brought up at the UN.....what do you think of this little speech. While Lavrov sat there catching it all. Do the Russians even think he is serious? What about those watching BO make moves to get rid of Assad? What say ye?


US President Barack Obama denounced Russian aggression in Europe at the United Nations on Wednesday, but proferred a hand to Moscow by offering to lift sanctions if Russia changes course. "We will impose a cost on Russia for aggression," he said. But the US president said a recent ceasefire agreement in Ukraine offers an opening towards diplomacy and peace.

"If Russia takes that path -- a path that for stretches of the post-Cold War period resulted in prosperity for the Russian people -- then we will lift our sanctions and welcome Russia's role in addressing common challenges." He said Russia and the United States had cooperated in the past, from reducing nuclear stockpiles to removing and destroying Syria's declared chemical weapons. "And that’s the kind of cooperation we are prepared to pursue again -- if Russia changes course," Obama said.....snip~

Obama denounces Russian 'aggression' in Europe



I love this guy! Obama is the best president ever for entertainment value.

26 seconds in he says with a straight face "no nation can subjugate it's neighbors and claim it's territory."

Um....

First, "these are the facts" aren't the facts.

Two, the guy knows less about US history than he does about international politics. There was the Sioux nation, Cree, Apache nations and few other "neighours" driven off their lands...subjugated you might say. The two attempted invasions of Canada, the conquest of Florida, the Mexican-American war, the Phillipines, Puerto Rica and a few other "subjugations" in US history kind of make him laughable from the world view, but I'm sure US audiences see the white hat and Bruce Willis in there somewhere.

The other thing, the guy has become a huge ham. There is playing to the home audience with grim, long pauses, and desk thumping, what an act!

It was childish and insulting, the man was talking to world leaders who were specifically assembled for his appearance, not a Boise high school senior's class. I wouldn't have booed, I would have walked out. Save the drama king bull**** for the low, low information voter.
 
Well the last thing Putin is thinking about.....is having cooperation with BO and his Team. But with our action in Syria.....how do you think BO looks with the Brits and others refusing to Bomb ISIS in Syria.

I believe that Mr. Putin's mind is occupied on just how he can get Russia back into Men's Hockey gold contention in two years. That and a nice warm steam bath in his new territory in Crimea.
 
I think the Russians namely Putin have realized they have met their match as our President is skilled in the arts of war and global stage leadership that Roosevelt would have been proud of to have witnessed if were alive today.The intellect and resolve displayed by Obama today was powerful and made us proud.
 
This whole thing seems like lunacy to me. The message can't get any clearer that when we arm and support people in this region it will come back to haunt us. Has this ever NOT been the case? And yet here we are again talking about using air power in conjunction with arming, training, and supporting local militias.:shock:

If we really go down this road I can tell you how it's going to end right now.


Yep, and we will still give them the arms even after they came out talking about the Air Strikes and Sovereignty of Syria. The Sunni want Assad gone. Yet as usual.....they cannot remove him themselves.
 
Yep, and we will still give them the arms even after they came out talking about the Air Strikes and Sovereignty of Syria. The Sunni want Assad gone. Yet as usual.....they cannot remove him themselves.

Mornin bud, with the mess that Iraq and Libya are in, who thinks Syria looks better post Assad?
 
Mornin bud, with the mess that Iraq and Libya are in, who thinks Syria looks better post Assad?

Seems the Saud, the Sunni, and the West.....they say they are Moderate. :roll:
 
Mornin bud, with the mess that Iraq and Libya are in, who thinks Syria looks better post Assad?

I'm not so sure - if our dealings with the ME has show us anything, it's that ruthless and brutal leaders may actually be needed in these countries to keep the peace. A "necessary evil" if you will.
 
I love this guy! Obama is the best president ever for entertainment value.

26 seconds in he says with a straight face "no nation can subjugate it's neighbors and claim it's territory."

Um....

First, "these are the facts" aren't the facts.

Two, the guy knows less about US history than he does about international politics. There was the Sioux nation, Cree, Apache nations and few other "neighours" driven off their lands...subjugated you might say. The two attempted invasions of Canada, the conquest of Florida, the Mexican-American war, the Phillipines, Puerto Rica and a few other "subjugations" in US history kind of make him laughable from the world view, but I'm sure US audiences see the white hat and Bruce Willis in there somewhere.

The other thing, the guy has become a huge ham. There is playing to the home audience with grim, long pauses, and desk thumping, what an act!

It was childish and insulting, the man was talking to world leaders who were specifically assembled for his appearance, not a Boise high school senior's class. I wouldn't have booed, I would have walked out. Save the drama king bull**** for the low, low information voter.

Mornin' F&L. :2wave: Didn't BO say.....he doesn't do theatre. :mrgreen:
 
I believe that Mr. Putin's mind is occupied on just how he can get Russia back into Men's Hockey gold contention in two years. That and a nice warm steam bath in his new territory in Crimea.

Well....he was kind of enough to say Russia would join in with the Fight on Isis. That Russia could cooperate. I wouldn't care if he put troops on the ground in Syria. Although we might see some MB backed Syrian rebels come up missing. Which really wouldn't be a loss to anyone.
 
I'm not so sure - if our dealings with the ME has show us anything, it's that ruthless and brutal leaders may actually be needed in these countries to keep the peace. A "necessary evil" if you will.

Yes indeed. My entire posting history here has been to make that argument.
 
So who is going to denounce America's aggression in other parts of the world?
 
So who is going to denounce America's aggression in other parts of the world?

Heya DA. :2wave: Well Russia denounced us with Syria, Iraq, and Libya. Just sayin.
 
Well....he was kind of enough to say Russia would join in with the Fight on Isis. That Russia could cooperate. I wouldn't care if he put troops on the ground in Syria. Although we might see some MB backed Syrian rebels come up missing. Which really wouldn't be a loss to anyone.



Interesting how things change in just a few months. Not that long ago some Americans were sounding war drums because Putin was even backing the regime, Obama gotr cranky when he couldn't even have a 'teensy" attack over the international community's 'red line."

Now, the friend of America's enemy, one who is an enemy a third of a world away, is now the enemy of my enemy and their intervention is welcome.

You may recall way back then that I criticized Obama for making Putin an enemy, all that posturing over gay rights etc., rhetoric never designed for use in diplomatic circles. I suggested then, with this 'red line' the news of the day, that Obama should sit down with Putin and see what 'they' could do.

After watching him 'lecture' world leaders at the UN, I believe the peace prize and his re-election have convinced him that "leader of the free world" is an official title, that may be why he's facing this challenge far greater than the Taliban virtually alone. All he's got are his two pet rocks, David Cameron and Stephen Harper with little more than moral support and in Harper's case could cost him his job.
 
I would think the Russians are mostly ignoring him because he bores them, and anyone that is listening is thinking he's a hypocrite given the US is bombing Syria and Iraq.

Obama's attitude is typical American arrogance that 'do what we say, not what we do'. Putin has his countries own interests to look out after, including a piece of the energy pie we're trying to control. Obama could easily orchestrate a deal where Russia helps eliminate ISIS and other terrorists to keep a controlling interest in supplying Europe with petroleum products. Cutting them off with pipelines from the south is why they entered Crimea for the extra production.
 
I'm not so sure - if our dealings with the ME has show us anything, it's that ruthless and brutal leaders may actually be needed in these countries to keep the peace. A "necessary evil" if you will.

IMO, the region's leaders and political framework are a product of the countries' structural and institutional framework. Factors ranging from sectarian balance/rivalries to the presence/absence of civil society have contributed to authoritarian leaders being required in most of those countries if there is to be stability.
 
I would think the Russians are mostly ignoring him because he bores them, and anyone that is listening is thinking he's a hypocrite given the US is bombing Syria and Iraq.

How is the bombings in Iraq & Syria hypocritical?

Russia is engaging in a proxy war in Ukraine to rebuild the USSR.
We're bombing Iraq and Syria to annihilate terrorists who are killing, raping and destroying.

Apples and Oranges, my friend.
 
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