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Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

Serenity said:
Save your crocodile tears. No one is attacking you personally. My comment to you was relating to a statement you specifically made in relating to Muslims. They are your own words - own them. If you don't want your disgusting, bigoted comments discussed then perhaps you should not share them.
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You're derailing the thread with your inability to discuss the topic.

Hint: my comments from another thread aren't the topic.

Character assassination is all you people have.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Hi Vesper...

How did the people of Islam allow their faith to be hijacked? If it is so, then what of us Christians and the Westboro Church? The Salem witch hunts?

Has the United States abandoned all pretense at justice, and all of Islam is to be blamed, not just accused, but blamed for all of terrorism?

These ads are not constructive, they do not add anything, but hold the world's largest religion responsible for the actions of fanatics.
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Fanatics like Westboro Baptist type who don't even make up 1% of the population are put into their place by We the People so using them isn't a good example.
The ads are not banning all of Islam. That is another fallacy. But they do highlight the dangers of the radicals within that religion.
It is high time the moderates of that religion start speaking out against the atrocities and intolerance. If they don't, then what is one to think? Maybe that they actually all believe the rest of us to be infidels and not worthy of their time and effort? This happy horse sh*t has gone on long enough. The key to reigning in this radicalism is within the religion itself. If these folks can't get their sh*t together to do the right thing, then pox on their houses. Enough of the crap.
 
apdst said:
Another personal engagement sans fact, or substance. This is how it always gets started.
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You have a lot of nerve accusing others of making arguments sans fact.
 
James Foley's death, carried out by savages, is despicable and appalling. Any reasonable person SHOULD already understand that. Why does Pamela Geller think Americans need advertising on buses to remind them of the dangers that Islamic extremists pose?

Foley's friends and loved ones will be disgusted to think he is more than likely going to be remembered by many ignorant people as just the guy who had his head cut off by idiotic extremists whilst they use his death as propoganda.

You're kidding yourself if you think that Pamela Geller gives a crap about James Foley.
 
Serenity said:
James Foley's death, carried out by savages, is despicable and appalling. Any reasonable person SHOULD already understand that. Why does Pamela Geller think Americans need advertising on buses to remind them of the dangers that Islamic extremists pose? Foley's friends and loved ones will be disgusted to think he is more than likely going to be remembered by many ignorant people as just the guy who had his head cut off by idiotic extremists whilst they use his death as propoganda. You're kidding yourself if you think that Pamela Geller gives a crap about James Foley.
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I can't see where she even mentioned James Foley. But in any case you are looking at only one incident of Islamic terrorism when there are thousands, with many of them committed by their fellow Muslims.

If you have any information on how Pamela Geller feels about James Foley, please post it.
 
apdst said:
Character assassination is all you people have.
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Character assassination when it was your own words that we're quoted?

Oh my. :lol:
 
Serenity said:
James Foley's death, carried out by savages, is despicable and appalling. Any reasonable person SHOULD already understand that. Why does Pamela Geller think Americans need advertising on buses to remind them of the dangers that Islamic extremists pose?

Foley's friends and loved ones will be disgusted to think he is more than likely going to be remembered by many ignorant people as just the guy who had his head cut off by idiotic extremists whilst they use his death as propoganda.

You're kidding yourself if you think that Pamela Geller gives a crap about James Foley.
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It doesn't change the reality that they have the right to post the ads.
 
Grant said:
I can't see where she even mentioned James Foley. But in any case you are looking at only one incident of Islamic terrorism when there are thousands, with many of them committed by their fellow Muslims.
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His picture is being used in one of her ads Grant. It's there in the OP.

Are you really ok with her exploiting his death in this way?
 
Serenity said:
Character assassination when it was your own words that we're quoted?

Oh my. :lol:
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Why else would you post my comment from another thtead, except to say, "look, everybody! This bloke's a hater!"
 
apdst said:
It doesn't change the reality that they have the right to post the ads.
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Absolutely. There were no widespread complaints when American Muslims for Palestine placed there ad on buses a few months earlier. It seems the criticisms can only flow in one direction, and that is very strange.
 
CanadaJohn said:
When do the first amendment rights of one party override the first amendment rights of another? Aren't you disrespecting the first amendment rights of Muslims when you say they "will come to understand, by that example, that they have to moderate their religious feelings"? Isn't the NYC subway/transit system an arm of the government? Can't it be argued that the government is clearly abusing the first amendment rights of Muslims through allowing such ads?
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Yes, what the city transit agency does is state action. I don't understand whose right to free speech you think is involved, other than this woman's organization. What government entity in this case has infringed the free speech of any Muslim, and how?

Nothing in the First Amendment protects private persons from being offended by what other private persons say. I didn't see any statement in those ads that was false. If some Muslim doesn't like having it pointed out publicly that parts of the Koran condemn Jews, that the Mufti of Jerusalem was thick as thieves with Hitler, that CAIR and HAMAS are creations of the Muslim Brotherhood, and so on, too bad.
 
Serenity said:
James Foley's death, carried out by savages, is despicable and appalling. Any reasonable person SHOULD already understand that. Why does Pamela Geller think Americans need advertising on buses to remind them of the dangers that Islamic extremists pose?

Foley's friends and loved ones will be disgusted to think he is more than likely going to be remembered by many ignorant people as just the guy who had his head cut off by idiotic extremists whilst they use his death as propoganda.

You're kidding yourself if you think that Pamela Geller gives a crap about James Foley.
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I knew I'd seen her name somewhere, so I Googled. Her blog is Atlas Shrugs.

Pamela Geller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I would ask what anyone thinks this "advertisement" is supposed to accomplish...

"THIS TYPE OF MURDER IS BAD!"

Yes. And?
 
apdst said:
Another personal attack. This is how it always starts. You get a couple of Libbos slinging insults vice debating the topic and things go to ****.
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That's attacking your argument, not you. He called your argument garbage, not you.
 
apdst said:
They had to put it in over-drive after 9/11.
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Yep. Because people like you were demanding we eliminate the first amendment.
 
Deuce said:
Yep. Because people like you were demanding we eliminate the first amendment.
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This is a personal attack AND it make no sense.
 
Grant said:
Just as a point of interest, what would be wrong with denigrating the whole of Islam?
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You would need a better argument than terrorism, since not all Muslims are terrorists.

In any case, the ads would tend to incite violence against Muslims, which makes those supporting the ads no better than the people the ads are targeting.
 
Karl said:
You would need a better argument than terrorism, since not all Muslims are terrorists.
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That wasn't the question.

In any case, the ads would tend to incite violence against Muslims, which makes those supporting the ads no better than the people the ads are targeting.
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Are you, after reading that poster, now intending to incite violence against Muslims?
 
Karl said:
You would need a better argument than terrorism, since not all Muslims are terrorists.

In any case, the ads would tend to incite violence against Muslims, which makes those supporting the ads no better than the people the ads are targeting.
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The hell you say. I support them completely. And when the likes of you thinks that makes me no better than some jihadist murderer, I take it as high praise. I'd tell you what I think of anti-American leftists who never tire of carrying water for these enemies of this country, but it's not civil enough to repeat here. In any case, I'd rather save those opinions for telling that kind of cur right to his face. I want to be able to spit in it, in hopes he'll want to do something about it.

You just want to silence the truth. Why should telling the truth about Muslim jihadists incite violence against anyone but them and their abetters? And in their case, the more the better--I hope the scabby yellow mutts get more violence directed their way than they've ever dreamed of. This country should resolve to kill them wherever they can be found, by the thousands, and let the leftist scum who share their hatred of America shed a tear for them. Unfortunately, any serious effort to destroy these vermin will have to wait until President Limpwrist has gone golfing for good.
 
Grant said:
The ad was in response to this one. 'Islamic Jew-hatred' bus ads featuring Hitler roll out on D.C. streets
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Well, I would be opposed to any ad on any public building, facility, vehicle, etc. whose sole purpose is to denigrate any identifiable group of people.

To take it off religion, suppose someone wanted to put up an ad that basically labeled all black youth as gun toting, drug dealing, murderous criminals. There's no doubt there are some black youth that fit the bill but is it appropriate for government owned and operated facilities to disseminate such bigotry? Why should a black youth, minding his/her business, doing no harm to anyone, have to sit in a subway car with an ad condemning him/her simply because they're part of an identifiable group? Why should average Muslims be subjected to the same scenario?

If this is the only way that western society has to go in order to solve the problems in the world, we're in deep trouble.
 
matchlight said:
Yes, what the city transit agency does is state action. I don't understand whose right to free speech you think is involved, other than this woman's organization. What government entity in this case has infringed the free speech of any Muslim, and how?

Nothing in the First Amendment protects private persons from being offended by what other private persons say. I didn't see any statement in those ads that was false. If some Muslim doesn't like having it pointed out publicly that parts of the Koran condemn Jews, that the Mufti of Jerusalem was thick as thieves with Hitler, that CAIR and HAMAS are creations of the Muslim Brotherhood, and so on, too bad.
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I didn't say anything specifically about free speech rights - I said first amendment rights. You are aware the first amendment to the US Constitution involves more than just free speech. It also provides protection against " impeding the free exercise of religion". Can not an argument be made that when publicly own facilities are used to promote hatred of a religion, the government is impeding the free exercise of that religion? I have no opposition to these ads themselves being placed on private buildings or other private facilities if the owners of those buildings/facilities want to be associated with the speech presented. That is entirely different from the ads being placed on public property, property that is partially owned and paid for by some who are being targeted in the ads.
 
DA60 said:
'In a move that is certain to further escalate already stretched racial tensions in America's most cosmopolitan city, some 100 New York City buses will soon carry jarring anti-Islamic posters which feature photos of an ISIS beheading victim, his alleged executioner, Adolf Hitler, declare "Yesterday's moderate [Muslim] is today's headline" and proclaim "It's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism" as part of an "educational campaign." According to the NY Daily News, the ads, paid for by flame-throwing blogger Pamela Geller, at a cost of $100,000, are intended as an “education campaign” to warn of the “problem with jihad” and Islamic sharia law, Geller said.'

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http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/09/arab ads NYC.jpg

My reaction?

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Not only are the ads bigoted nonsense, spreading hate and lies at the behest of an evil and disgusting woman, they don't understand even the basic realities of the situation. The reason so much US aid goes to Islamic countries is for two reasons, oil and Israel. We are told we shouldn't send aid because they hate Jews, but the whole reason we send aid to countries like Egypt and Jordan is to maintain Israeli security. We gave almost no aid to Egypt prior to Camp David, but after they became the second largest recipient of US aid (after Israel of course). So not only is this stupid in the obvious ways, but even for the things they support, they don't understand how to support them or what that support means.
 
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USViking said:
Not going to happen.

NYC will not allow it.

And I think OP just found a decietful link.
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Pamela Geller has been allowed to run her fascist propaganda before.
 
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