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Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

Fake cell towers used to spy on us?

That story just smells a lot like the chemtrails story and the 9/11 truther nonsense.

Of course, pretty much anything you send out via cell phone or computer can be accessed in one way or another. How else do you explain ads for items you have researched online appearing over and over?

I could understand why people would believe this. (I do) Maybe if our government wasn't known for violating Rights and trying to gain as much power as possible not believing it would be a lot easier.
 
Why go to the trouble and planning zone arguments to put up dummy towers when there are plenty of the real thing? Likewise keeping a plane in the air is much more complicated than piggybacking on the service providers' towers or their switchgear.
 
I knew it, I knew it, that red on light on your DVR is really a camera and a mic!
 
Yes we're sheep and we love our gadgets too much to give them up so we tolerate everything we say, type, or do on these devices as well as turn on GPS so our government knows where we go and how often, to be a normal part of life. Not only do we tolerate it, we have already accepted it. We're already in an Orwellian world - most just haven't realized it yet.

We sold the information to Google long before the NSA ever got it.
 
How else do you explain ads for items you have researched online appearing over and over?

Are you familiar with how Google makes all of its money? It's not some big secret spying technology. You're typing words into a box and pushing enter.
 
Fake cell towers used to spy on us?

That story just smells a lot like the chemtrails story and the 9/11 truther nonsense.

Of course, pretty much anything you send out via cell phone or computer can be accessed in one way or another. How else do you explain ads for items you have researched online appearing over and over?

Except the govt is specifically prohibited. What a private business does with your information you knowingly give them is a whole other thing. And in this case they are pretending to be a companies infrastructure and then spying on you.
 
We sold the information to Google long before the NSA ever got it.

What information in particular are you referring?
 
So, basically, the point of this is that if you do something on your phone, it is not private.

Or online, for that matter.



In other news, the sun will likely rise tomorrow.

Yep.
Everything we post on these public message boards has been collected and stored as data.
Whenever we use the search feature on this message board the search engine is searching through the stored data from this site.

Every post made on any public message board is stored somewhere out there in cyber land.
 
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Except the govt is specifically prohibited. What a private business does with your information you knowingly give them is a whole other thing. And in this case they are pretending to be a companies infrastructure and then spying on you.

Government is specifically prohibited from doing a lot of things that it actually does.
 
What information in particular are you referring?

Pretty much everything about you. Between Facebook, Google, and various retailers, they know, man.
 
Pretty much everything about you. Between Facebook, Google, and various retailers, they know, man.

Yes they do.
 
which means that "The CIA wants to spy on you through your TV", or that advertisers and hackers are spying on us all the time?

Read the links for your answer Ditto, BOTH!


More and more personal and household devices are connecting to the internet, from your television to your car navigation systems to your light switches. CIA Director David Petraeus cannot wait to spy on you through them.

Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm. “‘Transformational’ is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies,” Petraeus enthused, “particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft.”

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/3/17/221790/Smart-Meters-Confirmed-To-Pose-Threat.aspx

http://www.zerohedge.com/contribute...ough-your-own-computer’s-webcam-or-microphone
 
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They're just echoing what they've found on the internet and as far as the actual towers go, that seems to be exclusively from the "secure" phone manufacturer (who even boasts how much this has increased their sales).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is nothing to it, I just think people should seek independent and balanced information before jumping to the very worst conclusions. If nothing else, it might save you $3,500. :cool:

There is a lot of information about the program and the technology. A search for StingRay cellphone will provide many sources.

Interestingly, one place you won't find information is on the manufacturers website. However, FOIA requests and court cases have uncovered documentation of their sales.

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This price list for Harris Corporation wireless surveillance products was published on the website of the City of Miami.
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https://publicintelligence.net/harr...sh-wireless-surveillance-products-price-list/
 
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Read the links for your answer Ditto, BOTH!


More and more personal and household devices are connecting to the internet, from your television to your car navigation systems to your light switches. CIA Director David Petraeus cannot wait to spy on you through them.

Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm. “‘Transformational’ is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies,” Petraeus enthused, “particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft.”

Smart Meters Confirmed To Pose Threat To Privacy - And Response (4) - 03/17/2012 - Chattanoogan.com

http://www.zerohedge.com/contribute...ough-your-own-computer’s-webcam-or-microphone

Is government spying on us through our devices? Well, maybe. I'm not sure they have the personnel to do that, but it is certainly possible. That advertisers are spying on us is confirmed every time I go to a website, then see ads for whatever that website is.

Then there's Amazon, and its search engine. Type anything in your search window, and Amazon has it for sale. Type in "Pacific Ocean, and Amazon wants to sell you the Pacific Ocean.
 
There is a lot of information about the program and the technology. A search for StingRay cellphone will provide many sources.
Yes, but that's distinct from the claims about the network of fake towers around America. I'm not saying the technology doesn't exist, I'm not even saying the towers don't exist, I'm just questioning the validity of the claims about the extent of the issue from a company with a vested interest in exaggerating that extent.
 
Yes, but that's distinct from the claims about the network of fake towers around America. I'm not saying the technology doesn't exist, I'm not even saying the towers don't exist, I'm just questioning the validity of the claims about the extent of the issue from a company with a vested interest in exaggerating that extent.

There's a reason you don't know about it.

Internal Police Emails Show Efforts to Hide Use of Cell Phone Tracking
"As we suspected, local law enforcement officials are borrowing cell phone tracking devices known as “stingrays” from the U.S. Marshals Service—and police are deliberately concealing the use of stingrays in court documents submitted to judges in criminal investigations.

The ACLU of Florida released a set of internal police emails obtained today through a public records request with the subject line “Trap and Trace Confidentiality.” The documents confirm that local police, working on state court matters, hide behind the sham cloak of the U.S. Marshals’ office to keep the information about stingray use out of court files—and beyond even a court’s custody and reach.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-...rnal-police-emails-show-efforts-hide-use-cell

"The map below tracks what we know, based on press reports and publicly available documents, about the use of stingray tracking devices by state and local police departments. Following the map is a list of the federal law enforcement agencies known to use the technology throughout the United States. The ACLU has identified 43 agencies in 18 states that own stingrays, but because many agencies continue to shroud their purchase and use of stingrays in secrecy, this map dramatically underrepresents the actual use of stingrays by law enforcement agencies nationwide."
See the map at https://www.aclu.org/maps/stingray-tracking-devices-whos-got-them
 
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Is government spying on us through our devices? Well, maybe. I'm not sure they have the personnel to do that, but it is certainly possible. That advertisers are spying on us is confirmed every time I go to a website, then see ads for whatever that website is.

Then there's Amazon, and its search engine. Type anything in your search window, and Amazon has it for sale. Type in "Pacific Ocean, and Amazon wants to sell you the Pacific Ocean.

Sure, but we are not so concerned that big business may use such data to target, define and market to their audience. The government hasn't that motivation, so why do they need it. No, it's not a good thing.
 
Sure, but we are not so concerned that big business may use such data to target, define and market to their audience. The government hasn't that motivation, so why do they need it. No, it's not a good thing.

They don't need it, and no, it's not a good thing. So, what do we do to stop it?
 
They don't need it, and no, it's not a good thing. So, what do we do to stop it?

Assemble, protest, and use the vote at the state level to throw the bums out. Congregate and call senators and house members until their phone lines melt. Most times the threat of massive action is enough for cowardly politicians. The only other option would be armed conflict and that is a hellish option all on it's own.
 
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