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Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

Im not a big fan of the President either, however, The President isn't the all-mighty god of the government...... he can encourage something all day long, it is still up to congress and the senate to put the laws before him to sign. Just because a president promotes this idea or the other idea doesn't make everyone rush to do it, people have their own agendas as well.

Its just a pet peeve of mine to see someone pile all the responsibility on one person, knowing our government isn't, and shouldn't be run that way.

Except Obama is now saying he can just go around Congress via Executive Orders and do whatever the hell he wants without Congressional approval. So yes, that's how liberals want to run the government.
 
Do you even know what an MBS is? How a out a credit default swap or an interest rate swap. A monoline insurance company? The government did not force anybody to come up with those extremely complex financial instruments all based for the most part on the value of real estate which was parceled out to such an extent no one even knew who ultimately held the title to the foreclosed homes. But you can believe it was all the fault of the CRA.


LOL !!

Oh no, We have no idea what a " MBS " is.

Or a CDS or a CDO or any of that Financial hocus pocus. We've just been discussing this issue for months on end, that all.

By " discussing " I mean educating low information ideologues who refuse to accept reality.

And you just ignored tons of data that proves you dead wrong for some reason

Speaking of MBSs you DO realize it was Freddie Mac who guaranteed the first Large block of Securities backed by Subprime loans. Yep, in 1998.

And up to 2002 the purchase, packaging and securitization of Subprime loans was done exclusively by the GSEs.

So they purchased trash loans, packaged them, and then sold them off as "AAA" securities.

Many of those " AAA " securities wound up in CDO tranches in Capital markets all over the world.

After 2002 the GSEs were the primary consumer of privately created securities backed by Subprime loans.

Its ok, the FED is buying up 1.5 Trillion dollars of those worthless MBSs from the GSEs.

Also Federal Regulations demanded that investment banks collateralize these Securities which led to banks purchasing Credit Default Swaps as a insurance policy.

And if you still think it was " Greed " that motivated banks then why did they have to be forced to lower their standards ?

Those standards that kept the Mortgage industry stable for decades were declared innately racist by the community activist groups and ths Democrats in the 90s.
 
And that is what caused the financial crisis. Congratulations you figured it out. :doh

Wow, what a stinging and informative rebuttal.

We're actually used to something a bit less....lazy.
 
Did the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) contribute to foreclosures and the financial crisis? And, is the CRA being reformed?

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977 was passed by Congress to ensure that banks meet the credit needs of their local communities and to encourage investment in the immediate communities served by depository institutions. Banks are rated periodically on their efforts to achieve these goals.

The Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council (FFIEC) provides an interagency CRA rating database on its website.

In addition, each bank has available for public review a file giving its CRA rating and additional information that it is required to prepare.

The Federal Reserve Board has found no connection between CRA and the subprime mortgage problems. In fact, the Board's analysis (102 KB PDF) found that nearly 60 percent of higher-priced loans went to middle- or higher-income borrowers or neighborhoods, which are not the focus of CRA activity. Additionally, about 20 percent of the higher-priced loans that were extended in low- or moderate-income areas, or to low- or moderate-income borrowers, were loans originated by lenders not covered by the CRA. Our analysis found that only six percent of all higher-priced loans were made by CRA-covered lenders to borrowers and neighborhoods targeted by the CRA. Further, our review of loan performance found that rates of serious mortgage delinquency are high in all neighborhood groups, not just in lower-income areas.

The Fed, in collaboration with the other financial regulatory agencies, is currently considering what can be done to make CRA a more effective regulatory incentive and how CRA can be revised to address the new community needs that have emerged in the wake of the foreclosure crisis. As part of this regulatory initiative, the agencies held CRA hearings and invited written comments on how to improve CRA in June 2010. In December 2010, the agencies published amendments to the rule to encourage financial institutions to participate in activities aimed at revitalizing areas designated by the Department of Housing and Urban Development for funds under the Neighborhood Stabilization Program.

FRB: Did the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) contribute to foreclosures and the financial crisis? And, is the CRA being reformed?
 
In 2003 and 2004, with the U.S. housing boom (read, bubble) well under way, Lehman acquired five mortgage lenders, including subprime lender BNC Mortgage and Aurora Loan Services, which specialized in Alt-A loans (made to borrowers without full documentation). Lehman's acquisitions at first seemed prescient; record revenues from Lehman's real estate businesses enabled revenues in the capital markets unit to surge 56% from 2004 to 2006, a faster rate of growth than other businesses in investment banking or asset management. The firm securitized $146 billion of mortgages in 2006, a 10% increase from 2005. Lehman reported record profits every year from 2005 to 2007. In 2007, the firm reported net income of a record $4.2 billion on revenue of $19.3 billion. (Check out the answer to our frequently asked question What is a subprime mortgage? to learn more about these loans.)

Lehman's Colossal Miscalculation
In February 2007, the stock reached a record $86.18, giving Lehman a market capitalization of close to $60 billion. However, by the first quarter of 2007, cracks in the U.S. housing market were already becoming apparent as defaults on subprime mortgages rose to a seven-year high. On March 14, 2007, a day after the stock had its biggest one-day drop in five years on concerns that rising defaults would affect Lehman's profitability, the firm reported record revenues and profit for its fiscal first quarter. In the post-earnings conference call, Lehman's chief financial officer (CFO) said that the risks posed by rising home delinquencies were well contained and would have little impact on the firm's earnings. He also said that he did not foresee problems in the subprime market spreading to the rest of the housing market or hurting the U.S. economy.

The Beginning of the End
As the credit crisis erupted in August 2007 with the failure of two Bear Stearns hedge funds, Lehman's stock fell sharply. During that month, the company eliminated 2,500 mortgage-related jobs and shut down its BNC unit. In addition, it also closed offices of Alt-A lender Aurora in three states. Even as the correction in the U.S. housing market gained momentum, Lehman continued to be a major player in the mortgage market. In 2007, Lehman underwrote more mortgage-backed securities than any other firm, accumulating an $85-billion portfolio, or four times its shareholders' equity. In the fourth quarter of 2007, Lehman's stock rebounded, as global equity markets reached new highs and prices for fixed-income assets staged a temporary rebound. However, the firm did not take the opportunity to trim its massive mortgage portfolio, which in retrospect, would turn out to be its last chance.

GREED!
 

Bull****!

1. Private markets, rather than the GSEs, created the subprime mortgage boom.

The subprime mortgage boom and the subsequent crash are very much concentrated in the private market, not the public market. Subprime is a creature of the private label securitization channel (PLS) market, instead of the Government-Sponsored Entities (GSEs, or Fannie and Freddie). The fly-by-night lending boom, slicing and dicing mortgage bonds, derivatives and CDOs, and all the other shadiness of the mortgage market in the 2000s were Wall Street creations, and they drove all those risky mortgages.

Here's some data to back that up: "More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions... Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year."

As University of California, Irvine law professor David Min has argued, saying the government directly created either the housing bubble or subprime loans has a serious problem with the timing. "From 2002-2005, [GSEs] saw a fairly precipitous drop in market share, going from about 50 percent to just under 30 percent of all mortgage originations. Conversely, private label securitization [PLS] shot up from about 10 percent to about 40 percent over the same period. This is, to state the obvious, a very radical shift in mortgage originations that overlapped neatly with the origination of the most toxic home loans."

2. The Community Reinvestment Act and the GSE's affordability mission didn't cause the crisis.

Many conservatives argue that the "affordability goals" of the GSEs, as well as the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which was created in the 1970s to make sure poor communities had access to credit, either directly or indirectly led to subprime loans.

Research from the Federal Reserve by Neil Bhutta and Glenn B. Canner (helpfully summarized in this Randy Kroszner speech), argues that the CRA couldn't have been behind the subprime and housing bubbles. "The very small share of all higher-priced loan originations that can reasonably be attributed to the CRA makes it hard to imagine how this law could have contributed in any meaningful way to the current subprime crisis." Only six percent of higher-priced loans (their proxy for subprime loans) were extended by CRA-covered lenders to lower-income borrowers or CRA neighborhoods.

A recent paper found that while the CRA might have introduced slightly larger risks in lending portfolios, extra loans done to meet CRA compliance weren't more likely to have higher interest rates, lower loan-to-value, or be balloon/interest-only/jumbo/buy-down mortgages, or hold other subprime characteristics. So it is unlikely that the CRA was priming the pump for subprime, or subtly encouraging subprime mortgages to be made by private lenders.

Jason Thomas and Robert Van Order's research argues that subprime loans were only 5 percent of the GSEs' losses. The GSEs' affordability mission led them to buy the highly rated tranches of mortgage bonds, for which there was already a ton of demand and were not essential to the completion of the deals.

3. There's a lot of research to back this up and little against it.

The United States' housing market is one of the most intensely studied capital markets in the world. What has other research found? From Min:

Did Fannie and Freddie buy high-risk mortgage-backed securities? Yes. But they did not buy enough of them to be blamed for the mortgage crisis. Highly respected analysts who have looked at these data..including the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office, the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission majority, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, and virtually all academics, including the University of North Carolina, Glaeser et al at Harvard, and the St. Louis Federal Reserve [also here], have all rejected the Wallison/Pinto argument that federal affordable housing policies were responsible for the proliferation of actual high-risk mortgages over the past decade.

4. Conservatives arguments tend to blur the definition of subprime. Some, such as Ed Pinto of AEI, argue that the GSEs had huge subprime exposure if you create a new category that represents the risks of subprime more accurately. He created a new "high risk" category, which he then argues these high-risk loans were held by the GSEs. This argument blur categories together and obscures more than it reveals. David Min broke down the numbers, and there is more about this discussion here. Here's a graphic from Min, comparing Pinto's new "high-risk" category against subprime:

Even this new "high risk" category, introduced by AEI to supposedly show what the GSEs were taking on, shows that it isn't anything like subprime and is instead comparable to the national average. If you then take the logical step and divide it by private label, the numbers are even worse. Private label loans "have defaulted at over 6x the rate of GSE loans, as well as the fact that private label securitization is responsible for 42 percent of all delinquencies despite accounting for only 13 percent of all outstanding loans (as compared to the GSEs being responsible for 22 percent of all delinquencies despite accounting for 57 percent of all outstanding loans)." The issue isn't this fake "high risk" category, it is subprime and private label origination.

The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (FCIC) panel looked carefully at this argument and also ended up finding it doesn't work. So those who blame the GSEs can't get the numbers to work when they make up categories.

(Fun fact: These same conservatives sang a different tune before the crash. They argued that the CRA and the GSEs were getting in the way of getting risky subprime mortgages to risky subprime borrowers. See Should CRA Stand for 'Community Redundancy Act? from Cato in 2000 or AEI's Peter Wallison in 2004 arguing "study after study has shown that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are failing to do even as much as banks and S&Ls in providing financing for affordable housing, including minority and low income housing.")

5. The government policy that likely made an impact were deregulatory actions.

In 2000, Congress passed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which deregulated the derivatives market, in a lame duck session as a rider to an 11,000 page omnibus appropriation bill. A banking capital "recourse rule" in 2001 allowed the ratings agencies and private bank risk modelers to decide what banks should hold against risk. In 2003 the OCC preempted and overruled Georgia’s new anti-predatory lending laws. Alan Greenspan refused to enforce regulations on, or even investigate the wrongdoing of, the new subprime market during the 2000s. The 2005 bankruptcy reforms in BAPCPA, widely viewed as friendly if not written by the financial industry, codified the market practice of letting derivatives go to the front of the line in bankruptcy, helping create the conditions for shadow banking runs.

These government actions all fall under the rubric of deregulation, or "letting the market decide" how to manage the rules of the financial sector, and they are more relevant to the actual crisis. Though these are government policies, and they were reckless, I doubt they are what conservatives like Rubio mean.
 
Funny, over here the argument is that the President is to blame for the rising income of the owner/investment class.

Yes this trend has been going on since the Reagan administration, who made the largest contribution this trending by 1) the ATC firings reversed years of union gains and 2) cutting the highest marginal tax rates which encouraged the wealthy to take money out of their businesses in the form of executive, rather than investing in those businesses in the form of job creation.

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Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low | CNS News

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The number of those not unemployed, but employable and not working seems to be going up. This is a crisis in my opinion.


Of course the problem with leading from an article found on a political porn site is we get half the facts.

No where in this article to they talk about the components of those not in the workforce, which includes stay at home moms (5 million), retirees (42 million per social Monthly Statistical Snapshot, July 2014 .... not including those that retired before applying for social security), the disabled (see social cite) full-time students (21 million - Fast Facts). I, for one, am also not "in the workforce" yet I am..... I do not draw a salary, but have a business (which now employs 70 people).... I may now be in the count, as after 3 years, I have started paying taxes, so I am again on the radar, but there are tons of entrepreneurs in start-up stage very much working (probably much harder than you) that are not in the workforce. This postulate that 92 million people are sitting at home, idle, wishing they had jobs is either an expression of ignorance or disingenuousness. Which is it?

One of the prime reasons that people are exiting the workforce is that our population is getting older.... FAST. People are retiring.

The notion we are living in a soft economy, right now anyway, is also an absurdity. Though I recognize that I am a data point of one, I am having a very difficult time finding people in a full employment economy, which is the case in Colorado.
 

Yeah, leave it to a member of the Ayn Rand Institute to blame the government.....

I see yours and raise you mine (and my Forbes article is by an actual published contributor to Forbes, not something written on their website....)

http://www.business.cch.com/bankingfinance/focus/news/Subprime_WP_rev.pdf
Lest We Forget: Why We Had A Financial Crisis - Forbes
Thomas, Hennessey and Holtz-Eakin: What Caused the Financial Crisis? - WSJ
Three Causes of the Subprime Mortgage Crisis - ForensisGroup.com


I can also give you a first hand witness account of this as I did a considerable amount of business planning for a boiler-room mortgage originator with big credit lines (and tons of unreasonable incentive) provided by Lehman and Countrywide.
 
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Yeah, leave it to a member of the Ayn Rand Institute to blame the government.....

I see yours and raise you mine (and my Forbes article is by an actual published contributor to Forbes, not something written on their website....)

http://www.business.cch.com/bankingfinance/focus/news/Subprime_WP_rev.pdf
Lest We Forget: Why We Had A Financial Crisis - Forbes
Thomas, Hennessey and Holtz-Eakin: What Caused the Financial Crisis? - WSJ
Three Causes of the Subprime Mortgage Crisis - ForensisGroup.com


I can also give you a first hand witness account of this as I did a considerable amount of business planning for a boiler-room mortgage originator with big credit lines (and tons of unreasonable incentive) provided by Lehman and Countrywide.

Enough with the facts already. They don't match the rhetoric of those on the right, thus the facts don't matter. Some of us "can't handle the truth."
 
Add in another 40-50 million, and in not time, the actual unemployment rate will be down to a very attractive 2-3%. Progress!!!
 
Follow-up to previous post.... almost 90 million of "persons not in the workforce" can be explained as follows (not references, should you want to verify)

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The US is an aging population, with 10,000 per day (or 300,000 per month) turning 65. While the act of turning 65 does not mean you retire and leave the workforce, it is a leading indicator and support for why the "not in workforce" number will continue to climb. Its not a bad thing.

Baby Boomers Retire | Pew Research Center

Another significant item that helps facilitate people out of the workforce is the Affordable Care Act. People in the 55-65 age bracket had often stayed in their jobs or took on a job just to get health insurance. That is no longer necessary with the ACA.

And, again, entrepreneurs and many of the self employed are also off the employment grid. They are creating tomorrows jobs, which should also be considered a good thing.

So, don't fear the number.
 
Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation R ate Matches 36-Year Low

Okay, I assume I found where you got this from:

Table A-16. Persons not in the labor force and multiple jobholders by sex, not seasonally adjusted

(would have been nice if you had a included a link in the first place, but whatever - at least you mentioned it, so thanks)
Actually, I was using the seasonally adjusted numbers from Table A-1, but it doesn't really matter.


Personally, I question the number
Why? What seems off about it?

and I would need to see the exact question AND the questions that led up to it to feel it was or was not accurate.
Well, first the respondent is asked about work...if they own a business or farm, then if they've worked, and what they've done for work. The question for want to work is "Do you currently want a job?" CPS Questions and Interviewer's Manual


But let's assume the number is true. That means that we 'know' that there are at least 5,016,000 people who are not in the work force but who want a job.
And that is a minimum number because the 'Other persons marginally attached to the labor force' statistic is vague to say the least.
I'm really not sure how you're reading the table. First is Total Not in the Labor Force: 91,794,000
Then Persons who currently want a job: 6,382,000 (I have no idea how you got 5,016,000). Not sure why you thing other marginally attached is vague: It's everyone who is marginally attached but not discouraged.

A better breakdown is Table A-38 which shows some of the reasons why the marginally attached quit looking.

To me, those 5,016,000 people should be considered 'unemployed', whether they are officially in the labor force or not. They wish to work, are available to work but cannot find a job they want and have given up looking out of frustration (among other reasons).
Where are you getting the idea that all of them are available? Or that they've looked for work? And it's verrrrry interesting you stress "frustration" when that's not true for most.

Let's look at Table A-38
Not in the Labor Force, want a job now: 6,382,000
Of those....3,607,000 have not looked for work (including just asking friends or family) in over a year. So they have little to do with the current month, and are not likely to start looking for work. Seriously, if someone hasn't done anything at all about finding work in over a year, do you think they actually want a job or are being more hypothetical?

Of the 2,775,000 who have looked in the last year but not last four weeks, 634,000 could not have started work during the reference week if offered a job. So that hurts your "available" claim.

So now we're down to the Marginally Attached: People who want a job, recently looked for work, could take a job if offered, but not currently looking. Most had to stop for personal reasons....take care of kids, parents, going to school, etc

So let's think about that. Someone was looking for work, and her elderly parent became ill and she had to act as caregiver. Now, the parent no longer needs care, but she hasn't started to look for work yet. So we can't say she's unemployed.

Basically..the UE rate is a look at the labor market. Why you would want to include people who aren't looking is beyond me. We're not measuring desire for work, or poverty, or need...just who is trying and failing. If 100 people come into your store and 10 of them didn't buy anything, how many lost sales did you have? 10 lost sales or 7 billion lost sales counting all the people who didn't enter your store?
 
Exactly, 92 million grubby dependents likely to vote for the greater hand out. Screw the rest!

Look at the post above yours.
 
The US is an aging population, with 10,000 per day (or 300,000 per month) turning 65. While the act of turning 65 does not mean you retire and leave the workforce, it is a leading indicator and support for why the "not in workforce" number will continue to climb. Its not a bad thing.
It may explain why we would expect it to rise, but it doesn't explain why it's rising at the rate that it is.
 
Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low | CNS News

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The number of those not unemployed, but employable and not working seems to be going up. This is a crisis in my opinion.
That 92 million number includes retirees, people in school, parents staying home with children, playboys on yachts and others not looking for work. It is a particularly dishonest number.

The Washington Post Fact-Checker gave this Three Pinocchios.
Are there 91 million Americans ‘on the sidelines’ looking for work? - The Washington Post
 
Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation R ate Matches 36-Year Low

Actually, I was using the seasonally adjusted numbers from Table A-1, but it doesn't really matter.


Why? What seems off about it?

Well, first the respondent is asked about work...if they own a business or farm, then if they've worked, and what they've done for work. The question for want to work is "Do you currently want a job?" CPS Questions and Interviewer's Manual



I'm really not sure how you're reading the table. First is Total Not in the Labor Force: 91,794,000
Then Persons who currently want a job: 6,382,000 (I have no idea how you got 5,016,000). Not sure why you thing other marginally attached is vague: It's everyone who is marginally attached but not discouraged.

A better breakdown is Table A-38 which shows some of the reasons why the marginally attached quit looking.

Where are you getting the idea that all of them are available? Or that they've looked for work? And it's verrrrry interesting you stress "frustration" when that's not true for most.

Let's look at Table A-38
Not in the Labor Force, want a job now: 6,382,000
Of those....3,607,000 have not looked for work (including just asking friends or family) in over a year. So they have little to do with the current month, and are not likely to start looking for work. Seriously, if someone hasn't done anything at all about finding work in over a year, do you think they actually want a job or are being more hypothetical?

Of the 2,775,000 who have looked in the last year but not last four weeks, 634,000 could not have started work during the reference week if offered a job. So that hurts your "available" claim.

So now we're down to the Marginally Attached: People who want a job, recently looked for work, could take a job if offered, but not currently looking. Most had to stop for personal reasons....take care of kids, parents, going to school, etc

So let's think about that. Someone was looking for work, and her elderly parent became ill and she had to act as caregiver. Now, the parent no longer needs care, but she hasn't started to look for work yet. So we can't say she's unemployed.

Basically..the UE rate is a look at the labor market. Why you would want to include people who aren't looking is beyond me. We're not measuring desire for work, or poverty, or need...just who is trying and failing. If 100 people come into your store and 10 of them didn't buy anything, how many lost sales did you have? 10 lost sales or 7 billion lost sales counting all the people who didn't enter your store?

I don't usually do long, multi-quote posts...life is way too short, no offense (that goes for everyone). They usually just go on and on and on as both parties often answer every bloody quote.

But

1) I got 5,016,000 by subtracting (in Table A-16) 'Other persons marginally attached to the labor force' from 'Persons who currently want a job'.

2) Thanks for posting the A-38 chart (wish you had done it to start).

Now with more details available, I would actually raise that number to 5,748,000 who I believe should be counted towards the U-3...which raises the U-3 rate to (hypothetically) 9.4%...yes, I did the last calculation wrong (forgot to add the added unemployed to the work force total).

I get that number by including everyone who wants a job (6,382,000) minus only the 634,000 who claim they are not available for work...which leaves 5,748,000.

a) those that 'Did not search for work in previous year' (I wish the bloody BLS would label the lines) I count because they want to work but gave up looking. I could care less what the BLS calls them, I call them unemployed. And I don't care how long they have been not searching - if they have no job, want a job and are available to work on reasonably short notice, then they are unemployed to me. Whether they have looked 'actively' or not is completely irrelevant to me on this. They are called 'discouraged' for a reason.
I am not going to argue about this...you don't agree - fine, you don't agree.

b) and the 'marginally attached' are described by the BLS (Bureau of Labor Shiftiness) as 'Persons "marginally attached to the labor force" are those who want a job, have searched for work during the prior 12 months, and were available to take a job during the reference week, but had not looked for work in the past 4 weeks.'

So, they don't have a job, they want a job and were available to take a job when asked. The secondary reasons are just that, secondary.
The fact some of them have ill health or a disability does not mean they are not available to work...it just adds a secondary reason for their discouragement. But they still want a job and are available (according to them) to take a job...despite their other problems.
That means - in my book - they are part of the work force.

This is simple; if you have no job, want a job and are generally available to work (regardless of your other complications or when you last 'actively' looked for work) - then you are an unemployed member of the work force in my opinion.

The BLS (and you I assume) don't agree...fine, you don't agree. With respect, I don't much care if you two don't agree.


Good day.
 
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Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation R ate Matches 36-Year Low

Additionally to my above post,

'un·em·ployed (nm-ploid, -m-)
adj.
1. Out of work, especially involuntarily; jobless.'


unemployed - definition of unemployed by The Free Dictionary


Thus, by definition, any person who is out of work, but wants to work, is unemployed.

The proper definition of unemployed has NOTHING to do with whether you are 'actively' looking for work or not. Nothing.

Calling some unemployed people 'marginally attached' or 'underemployed' is, IMO, just the BLS trying to legally twist the numbers to make the unemployment rate look lower - probably on orders from the White House/Congress.


As far as I am concerned, as I stated in my post directly above and until I see unbiased, factual evidence to the contrary; the actual unemployment rate in the United States for August, 2014 was 9.4%.


And, once again, I am neither Dem nor Rep.
 
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Of course the problem with leading from an article found on a political porn site is we get half the facts.

No where in this article to they talk about the components of those not in the workforce, which includes stay at home moms (5 million), retirees (42 million per social Monthly Statistical Snapshot, July 2014 .... not including those that retired before applying for social security), the disabled (see social cite) full-time students (21 million - Fast Facts). I, for one, am also not "in the workforce" yet I am..... I do not draw a salary, but have a business (which now employs 70 people).... I may now be in the count, as after 3 years, I have started paying taxes, so I am again on the radar, but there are tons of entrepreneurs in start-up stage very much working (probably much harder than you) that are not in the workforce. This postulate that 92 million people are sitting at home, idle, wishing they had jobs is either an expression of ignorance or disingenuousness. Which is it?

One of the prime reasons that people are exiting the workforce is that our population is getting older.... FAST. People are retiring.

The notion we are living in a soft economy, right now anyway, is also an absurdity. Though I recognize that I am a data point of one, I am having a very difficult time finding people in a full employment economy, which is the case in Colorado.

An administration that declares a 6.1% unemployment rate in this economy is either ignorant or disingenuous. Which is it?
 
An administration that declares a 6.1% unemployment rate in this economy is either ignorant or disingenuous. Which is it?

neither--but you already knew that as you typed it--I'm sure you were right there questioning GWB's low numbers also--

and averaging Obama's unemployment numbers,
which include the Bush disaster numbers for well over a year, is both ignorant and disingenuous .
 
Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation R ate Matches 36-Year Low

Thus, by definition, any person who is out of work, but wants to work, is unemployed.
Looks like you have a lot of work to do going back in time to rewrite history and recalculate unemployment numbers .
 
considering that only 60 some million voters have ever voted for a President, so much for your 92 million grubby dependents slam .
Exactly, 92 million grubby dependents likely to vote for the greater hand out. Screw the rest!
 
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Do you even know what an MBS is? How a out a credit default swap or an interest rate swap. A monoline insurance company? The government did not force anybody to come up with those extremely complex financial instruments all based for the most part on the value of real estate which was parceled out to such an extent no one even knew who ultimately held the title to the foreclosed homes. But you can believe it was all the fault of the CRA.

So in your world the CRA can be blamed for nothing at all. Thank you for you input. Next.
 
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