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Al Qaeda Opens Branch in Indian Subcontinent

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I'm so glad our "master chess player" president who is, like, the smartest guy alive, is so hell-bent on getting these guys and really wrecking them with his superior Smart Power that, you know, they aren't able to pull off any major expansions, or anything....

Al Qaeda has announced the establishment of a new branch, called "Qaedat al-Jihad in the Indian Subcontinent." The group reports to Mullah Omar, the head of the Afghan Taliban, and is led by a former commander in the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan who also served as a sharia official in al Qaeda's branch in Pakistan. The ultimate goal of al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent is the same as al Qaeda's: to establish a global caliphate and impose sharia, or Islamic law.As Sahab, al Qaeda's official media outlet, released a lengthy video promoting the creation of al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent today. The video, which was published on various Internet video sites, including YouTube, features Ayman al Zawahiri as well as Asim Umar, the new emir of al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, and Usama Mahmoud, the group's spokesman....

Zawahiri says the group will defend the "vulnerable in the Indian subcontinent, in Burma, Bangladesh, Assam, Gujurat, Ahmedabad, and Kashmir ..." and "your brothers in Qaedat al-Jihad did not forget you and that they are doing what they can to rescue you from injustice, oppression, persecution, and suffering."...


Al Qaeda has promoted the Asim Umar, the new emir of Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, in several propaganda releases by As Sahab in the past two years. Umar was previously identified by al Qaeda as a commander in the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, a jihadist group closely linked to al Qaeda, in a video released by As Sahab in July 2013.
In the video, Umar called on Indian Muslims to participate in the "global jihad to give a final push to the collapsing edifice of America."
Umar also identified the US as a prime enemy and said "lives are being sacrificed in this jihad to defeat America and its allies everywhere."
He focused on the growing jihad in Syria, and said that "[a]fter Iraq, the black flags of Khorasan are heading for Syria." The Khorasan is a region in Asia that includes Afghanistan and Pakistan, and is considered a key battleground by al Qaeda.
Umar also indicated in that speech that al Qaeda was integrating with other jihadist groups and traveling to Syria to fight.
"Al Qaeda and other Mujahideen have taken the leadership of this movement in their own hands," he said. "Several groups have gone to Syria from Afghanistan and are leading the Jihad there."...


The reference to Mullah Omar is a deliberate delineation of authority that will also serve as a bit of a slap in the face to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the ISIL commander. Like Highlanders, there can only be one Emir of the Faithful. Also worth remembering is the reference to Khorasan.
 
I'm so glad our "master chess player" president who is, like, the smartest guy alive, is so hell-bent on getting these guys and really wrecking them with his superior Smart Power that, you know, they aren't able to pull off any major expansions, or anything....



The reference to Mullah Omar is a deliberate delineation of authority that will also serve as a bit of a slap in the face to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the ISIL commander. Like Highlanders, there can only be one Emir of the Faithful. Also worth remembering is the reference to Khorasan.[/FONT][/COLOR]

I though Al Qaeda was on the run and decimated? Isn't that what Obama said, and the Democrats repeated endlessly?
 
I though Al Qaeda was on the run and decimated? Isn't that what Obama said, and the Democrats repeated endlessly?

We just weren't told that AlQaeda was on the run. all right - to India and Syria to lead the jihad there, it appears. :thumbdown:
 
Muslims in Hindu India? What are they about 9 percent of the population?

India will annihilate them. India doesn't tolerate terrorists very well. And India doesn't have much love for Muslims. Just look how much they loath their neighbor Pakistan a predominately Muslim country.

I call bull****.
 
Muslims in Hindu India? What are they about 9 percent of the population?

India will annihilate them. India doesn't tolerate terrorists very well. And India doesn't have much love for Muslims. Just look how much they loath their neighbor Pakistan a predominately Muslim country.

I call bull****.

You might want to think about that call. This has the potential to be something nobody wants to see. AQ running out of Pakistan and attacking India is a prescription for larger problems given the history between India and Pakistan, and they both have nukes.
 
They announced a branch? Are they like a bank, with tellers and everything? :D

Seriously, all it takes is 10 guys and an Internet connection, and AQ can say it has a "branch." Issuing a communiqués is not a show of strength.

Or perhaps you're suggesting that if someone else was President, we would be invading Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, Syria and a dozen other nations to try and kill every single person in the world who identifies as AQ....?
 
I though Al Qaeda was on the run and decimated? Isn't that what Obama said, and the Democrats repeated endlessly?

If You Like A Decimated Al Qaeda, You Can Keep It!
 
I though Al Qaeda was on the run and decimated? Isn't that what Obama said, and the Democrats repeated endlessly?

As pointed out, a few people with an internet connection can claim to "open a branch". Is it something that needs to be kept on eye on? Absolutely. Should we be ****ting in our pants? No.

I question the magnatude of this situation and it could very well be this is a PR campaign by Al-Qaeda to keep from being irrelevent since the rise of ISIS. It does need to be kept in observation though for the time being.
 
As pointed out, a few people with an internet connection can claim to "open a branch". Is it something that needs to be kept on eye on? Absolutely. Should we be ****ting in our pants? No.

I question the magnatude of this situation and it could very well be this is a PR campaign by Al-Qaeda to keep from being irrelevent since the rise of ISIS. It does need to be kept in observation though for the time being.

This was a declaration by Aymal al-Zawahiri, the leader of al-Qaeda, not "some guy with an internet connection." The answer to ISIS is going to be retaking Afghanistan after we leave. Was the phrasing of this part of that effort? Yes (see initial post), however, this has been an effort some time in the making.

Crapping our pants? I guess that depends on the level of threat before you start making messes. Are they a significant threat to the homeland? No. Are they likely to be a significant threat? Probably.

KForce is a private Intelligence Firm who puts out a daily OSINT piece on global developments - sort of a STRATFOR-esque group, except some of their content is still free. Their initial analysis:

...Pakistan-South Asia: Al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri declared Wednesday in a video message that the global Islamist extremist movement has launched a new off-shoot in the Indian-sub-continent.

In the video, found in online jihadist forums by the SITE terrorism monitoring group, Zawahiri said the new force would fight to revive a Muslim caliphate in Burma, Bangladesh and parts of India.

Comment: Zawahiri is reacting to al-Baghdadi's caliphate in a way that ensures religious tension in a region where mass murders of Muslims are always one minor traffic accident away. For example, Indian Prime Minister Modi's wing of the governing Bharatiya Janata Party has a history of supporting Hindu suppression of Muslims. That wing does not need an excuse to kill Muslims. On the other hand, Muslim hotheads also are prone to kill Hindus with little provocation. Burmese Buddhists seem to have no reservations about committing "ethnic cleansing" against the Rohingya Muslims apparently because they are not Buddhists and not ethnic Burmans.

Zawahiri's declaration is a potential death sentence for many South Asians
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Also worth noting are two items that seem to be being ignored:

1. The Indian Subcontinent includes more than just India, it includes Burma, Bangladesh, and (critically) Pakistan.
2. The declared leadership of this branch aren't exactly shrinking violets or excitable "revolutionaries" hiding out in their moms' basements, but rather seasoned, multi-year veterans of leadership positions in the Jihad.
 
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They announced a branch? Are they like a bank, with tellers and everything? :D

Seriously, all it takes is 10 guys and an Internet connection, and AQ can say it has a "branch." Issuing a communiqués is not a show of strength.

:doh

Ayman al-Zawahiri is not "some guy with an internet connection". Did you bother to read more than the title before you responded?
 
Agreed that the more extreme Hindus don't play around. This may not be a very bright move, as far as the parts of this region where Muslims are a minority. It wouldn't surprise me to see Hindus totally purge them from certain parts of India. Too bad for the Muslims there who want to live in peace, but maybe more of that needs to happen. Muslim populations might not be so willing to accommodate Islamic supremacists if doing that brought them more suffering. The one sure way to end jihadism for all time is for Muslims generally to start treating jihadists as their deadly enemies.
 
We just weren't told that AlQaeda was on the run. all right - to India and Syria to lead the jihad there, it appears. :thumbdown:

Non partisans will be acknowledging that for a decade, the White House has told us that al Qaeda has been decimated.

Busy chasing off Saddam, the president and vice president had told us that Al Qaeda was spent. "Al Qaeda is on the run," President Bush said last week. "That group of terrorists who attacked our country is slowly but surely being decimated... They're not a problem anymore."
 
I though Al Qaeda was on the run and decimated? Isn't that what Obama said, and the Democrats repeated endlessly?

George Bush was saying the same thing a decade ago. Think only democratic presidents spoon feed you bull****??
 
George Bush was saying the same thing a decade ago. Think only democratic presidents spoon feed you bull****??

Excellent point. Yet in the case with our current President it's more about the vast quantity of bull**** and the variety.
 
Excellent point. Yet in the case with our current President it's more about the vast quantity of bull**** and the variety.

Whatever dude. Here's the point. This thread was started to ridicule Obama for saying that al Qaeda is decimated, while pointing out that actually they are expanding. I then pointed out that 6 months into the Iraq war, Bush was saying the same thing, using the exact same language, which demonstrates the partisan nature of the op.
 
Whatever dude.
Whatever indeed.

This thread was started to ridicule Obama for saying that al Qaeda is decimated, while pointing out that actually they are expanding. I then pointed out that 6 months into the Iraq war, Bush was saying the same thing, using the exact same language, which demonstrates the partisan nature of the op.
Yes narrowly looking at one specific instance one could claim equivalency. Yet my point was looking at Obama broadly, the variety and vast amount of bull**** that comes from his administration dwarfs possibly most if not all past Presidents.
 
Whatever indeed.

Yes narrowly looking at one specific instance one could claim equivalency. Yet my point was looking at Obama broadly, the variety and vast amount of bull**** that comes from his administration dwarfs possibly most if not all past Presidents.

The op was posted to specifically ridicule Obama for declaring the very same thing Bush did eleven years ago, and proves the partisan nature of the thread. This thread, very specific, not broad.
 
The op was posted to specifically ridicule Obama for declaring the very same thing Bush did eleven years ago, and proves the partisan nature of the thread. This thread, very specific, not broad.

The intent of the OP is irrelevant. If you want to complain about it - complain to the poster who posted it.
 
The intent of the OP is irrelevant. If you want to complain about it - complain to the poster who posted it.

That's precisely what I did, remember, you injected yourself, admitted my point was "excellent" and then in order to still find some way to criticise Obama, threw out your silly, and unprovable assertion that Obama bull****s more than Bush did. Which serves to prove my point, as with the op poster, you too are a mere partisan! What an asinine comment. The intent of the op in this thread is irrelevant!! Lol.
 
George Bush was saying the same thing a decade ago. Think only democratic presidents spoon feed you bull****??

Except that Bush Junior corrected himself.....then explained that out with the War on Terror and it would not be like any other war we fought. Then explained that he knew Americans were War weary. But this was a War we cannot lose. That we must stay vigilant no matter how long the time.

He also mention Americans may not want the fight and the war to be over.....doesn't mean our enemy does.

In which he was correct and as our Enemy has shown.
 
Except that Bush Junior corrected himself.....then explained that out with the War on Terror and it would not be like any other war we fought. Then explained that he knew Americans were War weary. But this was a War we cannot lose. That we must stay vigilant no matter how long the time.

He also mention Americans may not want the fight and the war to be over.....doesn't mean our enemy does.

In which he was correct and as our Enemy has shown.

Wtf. GWBush specifically declared that al Qaeda was decimated, and "not a problem any more"! And that was six months into the Iraq war. Are you blind to your partisan bull****. Both of these presidents have been full of ****. But in your typical partisan crap. Bush gets excused for saying the same thing that Obama gets roasted for. Jeeeesus dude. How will we ever fix ANYTHING when partisans are on the loose.
 
That's precisely what I did, remember, you injected yourself, admitted my point was "excellent" and then in order to still find some way to criticise Obama, threw out your silly, and unprovable assertion that Obama bull****s more than Bush did. Which serves to prove my point, as with the op poster, you too are a mere partisan! What an asinine comment. The intent of the op in this thread is irrelevant!! Lol.

Improvable? Hardly. Youtube has tons of it. I've posted a list of lies this administration has made - totally provable. News flash: everyone's partisan, and I've never claimed I was not partisan especially about Obama. In fact, I've been a very harsh critic BECAUSE of the amount and variety of lies by this administration. Again, complain about the intent of this OP to someone else....
 
Improvable? Hardly. Youtube has tons of it. I've posted a list of lies this administration has made - totally provable. News flash: everyone's partisan, and I've never claimed I was not partisan especially about Obama. In fact, I've been a very harsh critic BECAUSE of the amount and variety of lies by this administration. Again, complain about the intent of this OP to someone else....

Your news flash flopped. Most people are partisan. But not everybody.
 
Your news flash flopped. Most people are partisan. But not everybody.

Everybody is. Tell me one person in history who was not partisan about something.... and be prepared to back it up please.
 
Wtf. GWBush specifically declared that al Qaeda was decimated, and "not a problem any more"! And that was six months into the Iraq war. Are you blind to your partisan bull****. Both of these presidents have been full of ****. But in your typical partisan crap. Bush gets excused for saying the same thing that Obama gets roasted for. Jeeeesus dude. How will we ever fix ANYTHING when partisans are on the loose.



Here let me help you with this Monte.....as it just doesn't play out the way you describe with Junior. Now here is the Truth of the matter and it takes you straight to Junior's Speech. Note the date and how many years in to Juniors term.

Bush Warns Of Enduring Terror Threat
By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 6, 2006

President Bush issued a stern warning yesterday about what he called the continuing terrorist threat confronting the nation, using the haunting words of Islamic extremists to support his assertion that they remain determined to attack the United States. Abandoning his practice of only rarely mentioning al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, Bush repeatedly quoted him and purported terrorist letters, recordings and documents to make his case that terrorists have broad totalitarian ambitions and believe the war in Iraq is a key theater in a wider struggle. "Iraq is not a distraction in their war against America" but the "central battlefield where this war will be decided," Bush said in an address before the Military Officers Association of America. In his speech, Bush said terrorist leaders' statements have made plain their goals, which he called the present-day equivalent of the "evil" aims of Vladimir Lenin and Adolf Hitler. "Bin Laden and his terrorist allies have made their intentions as clear as Lenin and Hitler before them. The question is: Will we listen? Will we pay attention to what these evil men say?" Bush said, adding that "we're taking the words of the enemy seriously."

Meanwhile, the bipartisan Center for Strategic and International Studies issued a report saying that although the Bush administration has deprived al-Qaeda of sanctuary in Afghanistan and has prevented more attacks on U.S. soil in the past five years, it has not tracked down bin Laden or created "enduring security in Afghanistan." Moreover, the report said, the administration's attempts at public diplomacy are "undermined by perceived U.S. unilateralism." "What is missing from the . . . public discussion of all of this is some explanation of the phenomenon of radicalized Islam," said Daniel Benjamin, a senior fellow at CSIS and former Clinton administration official. "Why are there so many people out there who want to kill Americans and so many Westerners? Why is this such a durable phenomenon?" ....snip~

Bush Warns Of Enduring Terror Threat

BO peep said the War to Fight was Afghanistan. The War he lost. Not Iraq? Can you now See why BO clearly got it wrong and always had it wrong? What has happened with Iraq? Who did Bush say was with Bin Laden? Who knew about ISIL in Iraq? Who disregarded them and said they just need to be managed. Now says they need to be destroyed?

Yes how do we fix anything.....when there are those out there that will do anything to alter the truth. Notice what Reid and Kerry and the Demos said Monte. Note what their Big mouths stated. Now see how much they show themselves as the fools they really are, and always have been with all they have said and state these days.

Oh, and did BO deprive AQ a sanctuary in Iraq? What about Afghanistan?
 
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