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Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

If you don't want to deal with comments from non-Americans, don't post threads on topics that affect people other than Americans and/or join a site that doesn't allow non-American members.

Otherwise, I'll comment whenever I like on whatever I like and you can suck your thumb and whine all you want.

Well, since you put it that way, what is the Canadian government willing to do - or more appropriately, what steps have your government taken - to halt this ISIS threat from spreading?

Seems to me you're very willing to put down your neighbor's leader yet tug/hide behind the skirt of protection he provides all the while condemning him for not doing things your way. When the song "Blame Canada" plays I want you to understand what I blame you for at this point: resting on your laurels while enjoying the very "peace through strength" America provides.

Get your finger off my nuke button!
 
Rand believes intervention should be when there is a legitimate threat. He's right.

Anyone who calls him a "neocon" is in serious need for an education.
A legitimate threat would be like WW2 when somebody declares war on you. Not this.
 
A legitimate threat would be like WW2 when somebody declares war on you. Not this.

ISIL declared that their flag would be flying over the White House. Terrorists groups may not be Nazi Germany, but they pose a threat nonetheless.
 
A legitimate threat would be like WW2 when somebody declares war on you. Not this.

It is a legitimate threat. However, if there's one lesson we should have learned over the past 14 years, it's that destroying a terrorist organization militarily is very difficult if not impossible.
 
Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

Well, since you put it that way, what is the Canadian government willing to do - or more appropriately, what steps have your government taken - to halt this ISIS threat from spreading?

Seems to me you're very willing to put down your neighbor's leader yet tug/hide behind the skirt of protection he provides all the while condemning him for not doing things your way. When the song "Blame Canada" plays I want you to understand what I blame you for at this point: resting on your laurels while enjoying the very "peace through strength" America provides.

Get your finger off my nuke button!

I've already answered your questions - read the thread.
 
First Rand Paul is against all foreign aid to Israel--thus no invitation to the "Adelson" summit in Vegas. My how he's evolved into a raving "warhawk, after bashing HRC all month for being a "warhawk" .

Must be a political strategy, he's got to be loosing support with his evolution. I suppose he figures that he's wining it elsewhere.
 
I don't like many of Paul's positions. But I fail to see how he is being a 'hypocrite' in this situation.

He has already articulated that US intervention/interference in Syria has emboldened and strengthened IS, he should stick with that message. Prevention is cheaper, and more credible then continual cause and effect diplomacy.
 
How did Obama pay for the escalation in Afghanistan?

How did Obama pay for the bombing of Libya?

How did Obama pay for the bombing of ISIS already?

It may come as a surprise to you, but there aren't enough rich to soak for every idea that may pop into your head.

We borrowing. Streets are full of pot holes, borders porous still, unemployment still undesirable numbers, cuts to fire and police, I won't bore you with an exhaustive list documenting where needed money is lacking, but there's ALWAYS enough money for the next round of fighting self created problems in the Middle East.
 
ISIL declared that their flag would be flying over the White House. Terrorists groups may not be Nazi Germany, but they pose a threat nonetheless.

Yep. All the more reason that decades of US policy to support militant Islamic groups has been a failure depending on where you sit. Defense contractors are happy recipients of this practice, for one.
 
It is a legitimate threat. However, if there's one lesson we should have learned over the past 14 years, it's that destroying a terrorist organization militarily is very difficult if not impossible.

And that removing strong arms like Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad gives them room to grow and flourish.
 
We borrowing. Streets are full of pot holes, borders porous still, unemployment still undesirable numbers, cuts to fire and police, I won't bore you with an exhaustive list documenting where needed money is lacking, but there's ALWAYS enough money for the next round of fighting self created problems in the Middle East.

Imagine the economic stimulus we could have provided by spending that money at home. Republicans love spending as long as it doesn't benefit americans.
 
We borrowing. Streets are full of pot holes, borders porous still, unemployment still undesirable numbers, cuts to fire and police, I won't bore you with an exhaustive list documenting where needed money is lacking, but there's ALWAYS enough money for the next round of fighting self created problems in the Middle East.

I won't argue with you - I was simply countering a poster who was criticizing Paul for not identifying how he'd pay for his proposal.
 
With Paul, I get the feeling that if Obama had been against helping the Libyan uprising, he would have been for a strong military intervention, and if Obama had been for bombing ISIS into the stone age, he'd be against it, and vice versa. Ping-pong conservatism is all the rage.
 
Imagine the economic stimulus we could have provided by spending that money at home. Republicans love spending as long as it doesn't benefit americans.

Right, and Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad would still be in power, and rough as they were, none of them gave quarter to the militant Islamists that have flourished in the power vacuums that the US has created there. What we see today, both China and Russia warned of years ago, is the reason they have both stood in opposition to the US at the UN, and why they are forging stronger alliances!!
 
Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

Well, since you put it that way, what is the Canadian government willing to do - or more appropriately, what steps have your government taken - to halt this ISIS threat from spreading?

Seems to me you're very willing to put down your neighbor's leader yet tug/hide behind the skirt of protection he provides all the while condemning him for not doing things your way. When the song "Blame Canada" plays I want you to understand what I blame you for at this point: resting on your laurels while enjoying the very "peace through strength" America provides.

Get your finger off my nuke button!


I've already answered your questions - read the thread.

To which...

Iraq conflict: Canada to fly weapons to Kurdish forces battling ISIS - Politics - CBC News

http://www.krg.org/a/d.aspx?l=12&a=51976

Harper: ISIS like the Taliban | Fort Erie Times

Canada is not a super power nor do we act like one. Canada did not get the US into Iraq a decade ago and even though Canada didn't support the invasion, Canada provided logistical and other resources in the Persian Gulf that assisted the US led forces in that effort. Canada has been an unwavering ally of the US, often even when it sees the US making boneheaded moves.

Canada is also supporting the NATO efforts in Ukraine having already sent troops and fighter jets to Lithuania in preparation of defense of that country.

Not sure I get the need of some in America to belittle the friends of America.

...nothing.

Not belittling Canada, not really. I'm just wondering why you're so quick to call for U.S. military intervention using combat forces to deal with a terrorist threat you firmly believe needs to be dealt with, yet your country has never sent a single soldier to Iraq and likely won't do so now to deal with ISIS. But you expect an American President to do so and have the balls to condemn him when he doesn't.

NextEra is right: if you don't support sending Canadian troops into harm's way to help deal with ISIS, it's very hypocritical to demand that the US send more of its own.

DITTO!

I see the issue rather clearly, however. Unless it's a NATO-led initiative, Canada seems very content with remaining in a support role while it's southern neighbor leads from the front.

Blame Canada, indeed...for being passive. But digress...

There are reasons why Pres. Obama bent to the pressure to send U.S. combat troops back into Iraq. This article from HuffingtonPost.com outlines some of them.
 
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"If I were president, I would call a joint session of Congress. I would lay out the reasoning of why ISIS is a threat to our national security and seek congressional authorization to destroy ISIS militarily. [AP]"

Rand paul the Neocon. That didn't take long. Well at least he didn't give a bribe like his dad.

Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily' - The Week
It's well known on this site that I am extremely anti globe trotting. However, Rand Paul is correct on this one. Do some research on these guy, look up their origins. They aren't a group of upstarts like Al Qaeda. Their roots go back to the 1800's. They have deep ties to the Saudis, however, they are seen as following a more stringent version of Wahhabism. These guys aren't your typical joke like these other dirt bag groups that pop up in the ME. Not trying to talk down to you. It just sounds like you aren't fully read in on who these guys are.
 
Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

You're all over the map with your bitching about Rand Paul aren't you? So we can assume you won't be voting for him, and maybe hunting down the nearest Democrat that's available; hoping we'll sit around twiddling our thumbs while ISIS brings their cells in through Mexico. [...]
The right wing echo chamber strikes again :lamo . . . strike fear into the hearts of the locals :roll:
 
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It's well known on this site that I am extremely anti globe trotting. However, Rand Paul is correct on this one. Do some research on these guy, look up their origins. They aren't a group of upstarts like Al Qaeda. Their roots go back to the 1800's. They have deep ties to the Saudis, however, they are seen as following a more stringent version of Wahhabism. These guys aren't your typical joke like these other dirt bag groups that pop up in the ME. Not trying to talk down to you. It just sounds like you aren't fully read in on who these guys are.

I've done alittle research on this ISIS group as well, and you're right. They'd like nothing more than to bring back the days of the old Persian Empire and create an Islamic State all across the ME again. The solution to this problem is clear: Unless the Arab League gets involved, neither the U.S. nor NATO can really bring this issue to a close. That means, the Saudis, the UAE, Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey must all get involved.
 
I've done alittle research on this ISIS group as well, and you're right. They'd like nothing more than to bring back the days of the old Persian Empire and create an Islamic State all across the ME again. The solution to this problem is clear: Unless the Arab League gets involved, neither the U.S. nor NATO can really bring this issue to a close. That means, the Saudis, the UAE, Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey must all get involved.
Well, that's not happening. With people such as these, violence is the course of action. They've already demonstrated they aren't the most civil of people. Lucky for us, the Saudi's would be on our side.
 
Where are you guys getting this propaganda? :shock:
In addition, OBL believed in the exact same ideology ISIS does. We all know where he was from.
 
I'll be blunt. Anyone calling Rand Paul a neoconservative doesn't know what a neoconservative is.
 
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