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Michael brown paid, full footage shows

nota bene said:
Right. Although Officer Wilson didn't know that a robbery had been reported, Brown, IF he committed a robbery, might well have thought that the cop did know and was going to apprehend him.
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Actually Wilson DID know a robbery had been committed and approached Brown because he saw him carrying cigars and matching the description of the robber

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.
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The Rev. Jesse Jackson shows up at protest site as Brown family calls for calm : News
 
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Gardener said:
How many times are you going to need to have the same thing explained to you, anyway? Sheesh!

The part in this supposedly "full" video removed the part that showed the 300 pound bully assaulting the clerk half his size.

Do your eyes simply not work at all?
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That doesn't make it doctored. They just posted the portion of the video that they felt made their point.
 
Ockham said:
This was fully discussed and vetted out yesterday...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...on-police-busted-attempt-defame-wl-168-a.html

DP conclusion with a few exceptions, was there is nothing in the video showing he paid.
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I agree it was discussed, but fully?

And simply because you did not see a receipt or an exchange of payment is not vetting.

The point is the police story has holes in its holes and getting worse. Let us remember, according to police the biy was not stopped for a robbery, there is no proof a robbery occurred.
 
opendebate said:
That doesn't make it doctored. They just posted the portion of the video that they felt made their point.
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You claimed it was the full video. You did not tell the truth.

You should learn to tell the truth.
 
Gardener said:
You claimed it was the full video. You did not tell the truth.

You should learn to tell the truth.
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No I did not make that claim. That was the headline of the article.
 
opendebate said:
No I did not make that claim. That was the headline of the article.
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You have been promoting it.

Taking responsibility for your actions is considered the adult thing to do.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I agree it was discussed, but fully?

And simply because you did not see a receipt or an exchange of payment is not vetting.
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As fully as can be done on DP and when a video is being positioned as proof he paid, then fails to deliver cash, a card or a receipt in any frame - I consider that vetted.

Fearandloathing said:
The point is the police story has holes in its holes and getting worse. Let us remember, according to police the biy was not stopped for a robbery, there is no proof a robbery occurred.
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The police report was published days ago, it identified "strong armed robbery" - which the video that was supposed to prove Brown paid actually shows a possible corroboration with that police report.
You may want to believe there are holes - there may be some but that's not public knowledge as of yet.
 
Not only did Brown pay he over payed.


The Clerk rushed around to return his change but Brown refused, telling him to please donate it to the Muscular dystrophy association till thats common on convenience store counters.

The physical contact. Easy.

Brown noticed the Clerks clip on tie had been knocked askew so kindly reached out and straightened it for the nice man.

He only wanted the clerk to look his very best for his customers.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I agree it was discussed, but fully?

And simply because you did not see a receipt or an exchange of payment is not vetting.

The point is the police story has holes in its holes and getting worse. Let us remember, according to police the biy was not stopped for a robbery, there is no proof a robbery occurred.
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The Police story isn't " getting worse. "

If anything narrative of a gentle giant being gunned down in cold blood is whats unraveling.

And no proof ? The VIDEO and admittance is NO proof ?
 
Fenton said:
Not only did Brown pay he over payed.


The Clerk rushed around to return his change but Brown refused, telling him to please donate it to the Muscular dystrophy association till thats common on convenience store counters.

The physical contact. Easy.

Brown noticed the Clerks clip on tie had been knocked askew so kindly reached out and straightened it for the nice man.

He only wanted the clerk to look his very best for his customers.
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Makes much more sense now. Cop kills people for paying for things..what a creep! Cops gone wild ;)
 
Gathomas88 said:
For the record, the story Brown's accomplice is trying to sell the media is beyond ridiculous in this regard as well.

"The cop reached out through the window and tried to choke Michael around the neck."

Yea... We're expected to believe that this pudgy, unassuming guy...

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Was stupid enough to attempt something like that on the behemoth we saw in that video?

Give me a ****ing break.
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I think the physics and geometry thing already proved that story to be a false narrative. Seated cop...6'4"b 300 pound guy...and the cop is going to pull him in the front seat of his car...what...on his lap I guess....
 
opendebate said:
I found that interesting too. Doesn't it make sense that if a "strong arm" robbery had taken place someone who worked for the store and was actually robbed would have called. I am admittedly a little distracted from the new news right now but at this point I don't know if the store owner or clerk has confirmed that any robbery or attempted robbery had taken place. The version of the story I read most recently was that he wanted more cigars than he could afford and had to put some back and that the clerk pushed him first from behind the counter. This version actually makes a little more sense to me and might explain why a customer looking on from the outside might think a robbery was taking place.

Also, why do all the other videos only show MB roughing up this skinny little clerk? What is that supposed to prove? Are we not even supposed to consider the possibility that he was provoked by the clerk?

It's also suspect to me that alot of the same people who justify smacking a woman if she provokes him is giving this guy **** for roughing up this clerk who is half his size.
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Do you even have the slightest pretense of expectation of even a tiny tiny bit of credibility with comments like that? You are THAT warped in your insistence on maintaining your narrative that he MUST have just been a poor widdle victim that not only did the cop hunt him down and murder him in cold blood but only moments before a store clerk a third his size also was picking on poor big Mike. Just a poor widdle man who was always being victimized by mean oppressive people.

Holy ****.
 
opendebate said:
Why is this necessary?

If he did in fact steal cigars, it has absolutely nothing to do with his being shot and it in no way proves that he is someone who would rush or assault an armed cop. It is out there for no other reason than to serve as justification for many peoples prejudice and the otherwise unfounded assumptions that spring from those prejudices.
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Actually.... This has nothing to do with people's personal prejudices.

It has everything with demonstrating how the Media jump on a story and go with a "fairy tale" in the beginning to get the attention of people.
Its about the absolute lack of journalistic integrity.
 
Crovax said:
Actually Wilson DID know a robbery had been committed and approached Brown because he saw him carrying cigars and matching the description of the robber




The Rev. Jesse Jackson shows up at protest site as Brown family calls for calm : News
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As much as from what I know I believe in this Officer's side of the story....

Just because Jesse Jackson says something, doesn't make it true. The man is a snake. I refuse to believe him, even if what he says is in line with how I already view the case.

:)
 
Fearandloathing said:
I agree it was discussed, but fully?

And simply because you did not see a receipt or an exchange of payment is not vetting.

The point is the police story has holes in its holes and getting worse. Let us remember, according to police the biy was not stopped for a robbery, there is no proof a robbery occurred.
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A police report, an accomplice and his attorney admitted to it, and a video...... and there is no proof a robbery occurred?

My god you people are incredible.
 
Caine said:
As much as from what I know I believe in this Officer's side of the story....

Just because Jesse Jackson says something, doesn't make it true. The man is a snake. I refuse to believe him, even if what he says is in line with how I already view the case.

:)
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The Jackson in the quote would be Tom Jackson the police chief
 
opendebate said:
Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

What’s more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

It’s shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

The punishment for petty theft isn’t death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isn’t death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Michael Brown Paid, Full Footage Shows | Ring of Fire

Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
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Okay - putting aside the Ferguson everything.

Be honest: this video doesn't show anything. Just how crappy is security footage there in that convenience store? I can't see the clerk. I can't see the register. Leaning forward just a little and in fact his entire face is concealed. You can't see anything he's doing. Nothing is evident.

Further - regardless of whether he paid or not, just what was the clerk doing, then, by confronting him at the door? Why did he, just moments later, get in the clerk's face in an aggressive manner? If he didn't steal anything then why did the clerk say he did?

I think you're trying to show this to 'prove he was a great guy' but there's nothing here to see - I know just as much now as I did before watching it: absolutely nothing.

It would take a leap of faith greater than stepping from the Lion's Mouth for me to watch that and conclude diddly squat.
 
opendebate said:
That doesn't make it doctored. They just posted the portion of the video that they felt made their point.
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And then claimed it was full footage. It's not. As you state it is just the portion that "they", whoever that is, think proves their point.

I see no means of payment being tendered. I see a person reaching behind the counter and coming away with something. From the extended video, I see a rather diminutive clerk coming around the counter and engaging the gentle giant. I see the gentle giant assaulting the clerk.

I have been in a few stores in my life, and I have never had a clerk get between me and the door. But then I always pay.
 
VanceMack said:
Do you even have the slightest pretense of expectation of even a tiny tiny bit of credibility with comments like that? You are THAT warped in your insistence on maintaining your narrative that he MUST have just been a poor widdle victim that not only did the cop hunt him down and murder him in cold blood but only moments before a store clerk a third his size also was picking on poor big Mike. Just a poor widdle man who was always being victimized by mean oppressive people.

Holy ****.
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That seems to be a pretty popular narrative. Some of the comments I've been reading on other sites are truly remarkable. There seem to be a lot of folks out there who seriously believe that cops actively seek to shoot black males and that the only reason anyone would even consider questioning the Dorian Johnson version of events is racism.
 
Lutherf said:
That seems to be a pretty popular narrative. Some of the comments I've been reading on other sites are truly remarkable. There seem to be a lot of folks out there who seriously believe that cops actively seek to shoot black males and that the only reason anyone would even consider questioning the Dorian Johnson version of events is racism.
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Dorian Johnson is about as credible as Donald Rumsfeld.

Could prior arrest affect Dorian Johnson's credibility | HLNtv.com
 
Caine said:
Actually.... This has nothing to do with people's personal prejudices.

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I have to disagree.

This thread is all about prejudice. It tries to foist a lie because the 300 pound thug is black and the 150 pound person he intimidates is white. THe originator of the thread even went so far as to say "so what?" in response to her defense of the black thug and his roughing up the white clerk.

THat shows some pretty extreme prejudice there.
 
Caine said:
A police report, an accomplice and his attorney admitted to it, and a video...... and there is no proof a robbery occurred?

My god you people are incredible.
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"You people" means what exactly?

Please, for once, would one of "you people" actually cite something? If there's so much ****ing "proof" around, where is it?
 
Fearandloathing said:
"You people" means what exactly?

Please, for once, would one of "you people" actually cite something? If there's so much ****ing "proof" around, where is it?
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I was doing a search for "you people" just now, and this thread came up. People are smakin' about me again huh?
 
Fearandloathing said:
"You people" means what exactly?
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I would assume that "you people" here would refer to any person so completely lacking in integrity that they would claim a video as showing something it doesn't show at all while dismissing something that an unedited video very much shows as being somehow irrelevant.
 
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