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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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RAMOSS said:
It's like this..we ahve positive evidence that people who die, and are rotting in the grave for three days, stay dead. There is no evidence other than unsupported religious claims and dogma that principle has been violated.

Therefore, we have evidence, that just doesn't happen. We have billions off examples of that not happening.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
 
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Amandi said:
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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Yeah, but you know what? After a zillion claims and zero evidence, we're pretty cool with moving on as though it's evidence of absence. There's no point in remaining stuck on a claim that has long had its chance to substantiate itself and has clearly chosen not to do so.

But rest assured, the scientific process is patient. Scientists will be more than happy to consider evidence at such time it is offered.
 
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Cardinal said:
Yeah, but you know what? After a zillion claims and zero evidence, we're pretty cool with moving on as though it's evidence of absence. There's no point in remaining stuck on a claim that has long had its chance to substantiate itself and has clearly chosen not to do so.

But rest assured, the scientific process is patient. Scientists will be more than happy to consider evidence at such time it is offered.
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I am cool with that.
 
Who would be the host? Maybe Ryan Seacrest? I hope its some hot lesbian.



beerftw said:
i support gay marriage only if it leads to gay divorce court on tv!
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"Debunked" would mean proving that the biblical accounts are false - which even the most liberal of scholars can't do. If someone says the resurrection has been "debunked" what they really mean is that they don't believe the accounts in the NT - which is fine, events in the NT are so far unprovable and extremely unlikely. Ultimately its a matter of faith.

Its is funny how the people who wield "science" as some type of talisman don't really understand how it works.




Amandi said:
Then say what you mean and mean what you say. Debunk means proof has been given; if all you want to say is there is no proof for something I wouldnt have even spoke up.
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True, roman custom does say this. In fact, liberal scholars would also say there was no trial, Pontius Pilate would certainly not have been involved in such a minor affair of yet another Jewish rebel. There would be standing orders to simply execute any troublemakers. The story of releasing Barrabas would never happen, the romans weren't in the business of releasing prisoners to appease locals. Its more likely that Jesus was put into a common grave - not even a grave, a pit and his body eaten by dogs.

However, that doesn't mean that the narrative in the gospels didn't happen. You can't point to custom and likelihoods to "debunk" events. Unless you have actual proof you can only work with likelihoods, probabilities, etc.

Cephus said:
There is no evidence whatsoever to support a resurrection. In fact, the whole crucifixion story is nonsense, it was Roman custom to leave the corpses on the crosses to rot, especially in the case of capital criminals, which Jesus certainly would have been. Therefore, he wouldn't have been given to Joseph of Aramathea, he wouldn't have been placed in a tomb and he could not have risen from the dead. The whole story is absurd and not in keeping with the facts.
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RAMOSS said:
Well, some right wing fanatics are getting their marriages ruined by Gays. I mean, let's look at Johnathan Saenz... a Texas politician who is an ardent denier of SSM. His wife filed for divorce in 2011, got it finalized in 2013, and his wife left him for another woman.
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Has nothing to do with Gay Marriage though. I also know some marriages that have been ruined by a 40 year old man leaving his wife for a 20 something year old women. Nothing to do with SSM being legal though.
 
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Amandi said:
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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That saying . not true...and incorrect in this manner, because we have several billion examples of it not happening, and zero examples of it being verified to have happened . That not absence of evidence.
 
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TobyOne said:
"Debunked" would mean proving that the biblical accounts are false - which even the most liberal of scholars can't do. If someone says the resurrection has been "debunked" what they really mean is that they don't believe the accounts in the NT - which is fine, events in the NT are so far unprovable and extremely unlikely. Ultimately its a matter of faith.

Its is funny how the people who wield "science" as some type of talisman don't really understand how it works.
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Oh gosh, I will also say that anything that is proclaims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The allged miracles , such as 'walking on water' can be showen to be physically impossible,.. that's makes those stories debunked as historical events.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Has nothing to do with Gay Marriage though. I also know some marriages that have been ruined by a 40 year old man leaving his wife for a 20 something year old women. Nothing to do with SSM being legal though.
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It is an example of why at least one right wing person is being so vocal against it though.
 
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RAMOSS said:
It is an example of why at least one right wing person is being so vocal against it though.
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It's not a rational reason though. SSM being legal didn't cause his wife to leave him for another woman. That's like someone saying they are against blacks having voting rights because his wife left him for a black guy. One thing being legal didn't cause the other.
 
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TheNextEra said:
It's not a rational reason though. SSM being legal didn't cause his wife to leave him for another woman. That's like someone saying they are against blacks having voting rights because his wife left him for a black guy. One thing being legal didn't cause the other.
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I never said it was. It, however, is very human, and more than a little ironic. When it comes to sexuality, and reproduction, there will quite often be positions that are more emotional than rational.
 
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RAMOSS said:
I never said it was. It, however, is very human, and more than a little ironic. When it comes to sexuality, and reproduction, there will quite often be positions that are more emotional than rational.
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Well unfortunately for him, in the legal realm (which is pretty much where SSM is), logic and rational thinking is what is driving SSM to become legal.
 
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Amandi said:
No evidence does not equate to debunked. Debunked requires proof against.
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Which I just provided. The Romans didn't operate the way they're described in the myth.
 
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TobyOne said:
True, roman custom does say this. In fact, liberal scholars would also say there was no trial, Pontius Pilate would certainly not have been involved in such a minor affair of yet another Jewish rebel. There would be standing orders to simply execute any troublemakers. The story of releasing Barrabas would never happen, the romans weren't in the business of releasing prisoners to appease locals. Its more likely that Jesus was put into a common grave - not even a grave, a pit and his body eaten by dogs.

However, that doesn't mean that the narrative in the gospels didn't happen. You can't point to custom and likelihoods to "debunk" events. Unless you have actual proof you can only work with likelihoods, probabilities, etc.
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That's about as absurd as saying that the story of Mohammed riding off on a flying horse isn't false because you can't prove it didn't happen. Just because there are no flying horses doesn't actually disprove anything. :roll:
 
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roguenuke said:
Relationships end. That is a part of life. You deem it failure. I see it as an experience. I've had several relationships end. They never reached the point where I wanted to marry those guys, but they were still relationships. That doesn't mean that my failure rate is 90+% in relationships. It simply means that I've had several relationship experiences. I learned from most of them. I learn things all the time in my own marriage. It could end. I think my husband and I have a good chance of making it last because we actually talk to each other and we want our relationship to work. We have similar feelings about how to make our relationship work and what we want in the relationship, about the important things, and the things that we disagree on are unimportant enough that we can let it go to "agree to disagree".

Having a child can have a 30% failure rate (going off of the rate of miscarriages). The failure rate for the driving test is over 50%, yet we still let people drive and even retake the test many times after they fail.

Driving test repeat candidates more likely to fail - Telegraph

46% of people taking their first driving test pass, which means 54% fail.

And this is wonderful. So many great people failed at so many things. So what?

They Did Not Give Up
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Ok rogue, sure thing. If you think that half of all marriages ending in divorce equals success, knock your socks off. It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket.
 
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Hari Seldon said:
Batting average? Sorry I couldn't help myself.
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Apology accepted, mentioned by another poster already as well!
 
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maquiscat said:
Failure in the use of something does not automatically equate to the failure of the thing itself. If 50% of the people who buy a car try to use it as a boat, they will fail. That doesn't mean that cars are failures. The institution of marriage in and of itself is neither good nor bad, success or failure. It simply is. It's how people apply it in their lives and whom they enter into the institution with that will determine whether or not that particular incident of the institution succeeds of fails.



Sanctity is a subjective term and not all people view marriage as a sacred institution. Besides we are not talking about such marriages, we are discussing legal marriages, which run across all religious and non-religious lines. We're not worried if something is sacred or not when it comes to law. The 50% divorce rate includes all atheists and agnostics as well as other religions. So the question is what is the breakdown of rates among all these various groups. I would additionally like to see what the difference in rates are between those simply claiming a faith and those who are devout in said faith. I'm willing to bet that those who are Christian in name only have a higher divorce rate than those who view marriage as sacred institution.



How so? There are a couple of possibilities there and I want to know which you are referring to.
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Sorry to hit your nerve. As I told rogue already. It doesn't matter what you think of marriage, if you think a 50% fail rate is success, write it down and yell it from the halls, I really don't care. Gay marriage will probably have a similar and failing effect, but hey, they should have a chance at it too!
 
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And just because we haven't seen space aliens doesn't mean they're "debunked".

Cephus said:
That's about as absurd as saying that the story of Mohammed riding off on a flying horse isn't false because you can't prove it didn't happen. Just because there are no flying horses doesn't actually disprove anything. :roll:
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Exactly. Including claims that something is "debunked".


RAMOSS said:
Oh gosh, I will also say that anything that is proclaims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The allged miracles , such as 'walking on water' can be showen to be physically impossible,.. that's makes those stories debunked as historical events.
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Montecresto said:
Ok rogue, sure thing. If you think that half of all marriages ending in divorce equals success, knock your socks off. It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket.
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The point is that marriages shouldn't be judged as successes or failures in whether they end, but in how they go. If the couple deems that they don't want to be together anymore then there is no failure there. They are simply ending a relationship. Likely, they learned something about themselves within that marriage, within that relationship, particularly if they are parting on good terms.
 
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Montecresto said:
I know you already dismissed it, but it doesn't make it go away, lol.
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And it will never go away until all the Biblically and spiritually challenged nimwits drop down into the Pit.
 
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RAMOSS said:
That saying . not true...and incorrect in this manner, because we have several billion examples of it not happening, and zero examples of it being verified to have happened . That not absence of evidence.
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Do you have a link to your billions of examples? Face it you have no proof that it didn't happen I have no proof that it didn't happen. At least I admit what I do or do not have.
 
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Cephus said:
Which I just provided. The Romans didn't operate the way they're described in the myth.
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Could you please provide proof that in the hundreds of years that the Romans were in power they never once did anything that was different then tradition?
 
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