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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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Eric7216 said:
All opinions are biased. But definitely not irrelevant. It would be a logical fallacy to call results irrelevant simply because the sample skewed biased in some direction. It is relevant within that context.
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And the context is that of a biased website using a completely invalid approach to a poll. That would certainly make it irrelevant in gathering any useful information.
 
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Navy Pride said:
That is and oxymoron my left wing friend..
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No it's not. I've already proven you wrong with your black and white thinking. I am very religious AND support SSM. Read your quote in my signature, NP.
 
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Montecresto said:
If half of all marriages FAIL, the institution is a fail.
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Failure in the use of something does not automatically equate to the failure of the thing itself. If 50% of the people who buy a car try to use it as a boat, they will fail. That doesn't mean that cars are failures. The institution of marriage in and of itself is neither good nor bad, success or failure. It simply is. It's how people apply it in their lives and whom they enter into the institution with that will determine whether or not that particular incident of the institution succeeds of fails.

Montecresto said:
Divorce is FAILED marriage, and presumably, you're suggesting that the divorce rate would always have been 50%, and I maintain that anything that fails half of the time is UNSUCCESSFUL. So perhaps humans should try something other. IOW there is no sanctity to something with a 50% fail rate.
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Sanctity is a subjective term and not all people view marriage as a sacred institution. Besides we are not talking about such marriages, we are discussing legal marriages, which run across all religious and non-religious lines. We're not worried if something is sacred or not when it comes to law. The 50% divorce rate includes all atheists and agnostics as well as other religions. So the question is what is the breakdown of rates among all these various groups. I would additionally like to see what the difference in rates are between those simply claiming a faith and those who are devout in said faith. I'm willing to bet that those who are Christian in name only have a higher divorce rate than those who view marriage as sacred institution.

Navy Pride said:
That is and oxymoron my left wing friend..
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How so? There are a couple of possibilities there and I want to know which you are referring to.
 
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Montecresto said:
This is the terminology used to build things with straight lines, and corners, and not spheres! The authors of the OT, believing at the time that the earth was flat (remember, its only in the last 600 years or so that that was recognised to be wrong) would naturally be describing it as such.


4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,


Job 38:4-6;
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Nope. I've already dealt with that.

Does the Bible Teach a Flat Earth
 
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Scrabaholic said:
I'm not a left winger and I support same sex marriage as long as nobody is forced to officiate at them.
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Who would be forced to officiate them? Priests? Because if you're referring to religious officials that's not a proposal anywhere.
 
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Cardinal said:
Who would be forced to officiate them? Priests? Because if you're referring to religious officials that's not a proposal anywhere.
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I was just heading off any counter argument of 'what if people are forced to perform them?'

Here in Canada, it is coded into the law that churches cannot be forced to have them.
 
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maquiscat said:
Failure in the use of something does not automatically equate to the failure of the thing itself. If 50% of the people who buy a car try to use it as a boat, they will fail. That doesn't mean that cars are failures. The institution of marriage in and of itself is neither good nor bad, success or failure. It simply is. It's how people apply it in their lives and whom they enter into the institution with that will determine whether or not that particular incident of the institution succeeds of fails.



Sanctity is a subjective term and not all people view marriage as a sacred institution. Besides we are not talking about such marriages, we are discussing legal marriages, which run across all religious and non-religious lines. We're not worried if something is sacred or not when it comes to law. The 50% divorce rate includes all atheists and agnostics as well as other religions. So the question is what is the breakdown of rates among all these various groups. I would additionally like to see what the difference in rates are between those simply claiming a faith and those who are devout in said faith. I'm willing to bet that those who are Christian in name only have a higher divorce rate than those who view marriage as sacred institution.



How so? There are a couple of possibilities there and I want to know which you are referring to.
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Don't remember..........Sorry
 
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Logicman said:
Nope. I've already dealt with that.

Does the Bible Teach a Flat Earth
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No you didn't already deal with it. You posted a link to someone who just changed the accepted meanings of Hebrew words to suit themselves, ignored historical evidence, ignored many verses in the OT that didn't suit their argument and argued against a strawman.
 
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Ceist said:
No you didn't already deal with it. You posted a link to someone who just changed the accepted meanings of Hebrew words to suit themselves, ignored historical evidence, ignored many verses in the OT that didn't suit their argument and argued against a strawman.
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ALL religions change over time to suit the morals, wants and desires of the people involved.
Of course extremist religious nuts will deny this till their dying day.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
The resurrection has been debunked. Your lack of faith and dishonesty will undoubtedly cause you great pain in the afterlife. Repent now.
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Got a link to prove this?
 
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Cephus said:
The whole bloody religion has been debunked, that doesn't stop the delusional wankers who still cling to it.
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Let's just start with the original claim that the resurection has been debunked. Got any links?
 
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TheNextEra said:
My marriage is not being tarninshed by gays being married. Do you look at your wife differently? Do you not want to be married? Seems YOU have the problem, not me. My marriage is just fine regardless of gays being allowed to marry. Really sad that you let something like this get in the way of your marriage.
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Well, some right wing fanatics are getting their marriages ruined by Gays. I mean, let's look at Johnathan Saenz... a Texas politician who is an ardent denier of SSM. His wife filed for divorce in 2011, got it finalized in 2013, and his wife left him for another woman.
 
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Amandi said:
Let's just start with the original claim that the resurection has been debunked. Got any links?
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There is no evidence whatsoever to support a resurrection. In fact, the whole crucifixion story is nonsense, it was Roman custom to leave the corpses on the crosses to rot, especially in the case of capital criminals, which Jesus certainly would have been. Therefore, he wouldn't have been given to Joseph of Aramathea, he wouldn't have been placed in a tomb and he could not have risen from the dead. The whole story is absurd and not in keeping with the facts.
 
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Cephus said:
There is no evidence whatsoever to support a resurrection. In fact, the whole crucifixion story is nonsense, it was Roman custom to leave the corpses on the crosses to rot, especially in the case of capital criminals, which Jesus certainly would have been. Therefore, he wouldn't have been given to Joseph of Aramathea, he wouldn't have been placed in a tomb and he could not have risen from the dead. The whole story is absurd and not in keeping with the facts.
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No evidence does not equate to debunked. Debunked requires proof against.
 
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Amandi said:
Let's just start with the original claim that the resurection has been debunked. Got any links?
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This question alone illustrates why it took humanity 5600 years since the dawn of civilization to reach the Age of Enlightenment.
 
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Cardinal said:
This question alone illustrates why it took humanity 5600 years since the dawn of civilization to reach the Age of Enlightenment.
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Asking for proof of something? I would think that would be something they would want in the Age of Enlightenment.
 
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Amandi said:
Asking for proof of something? I would think that would be something they would want in the Age of Enlightenment.
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In principle, yes, you just have the placement of it wrong.

If everyone could claim that something was real (for example, the resurrection) and that it was up to everyone else to prove it wrong, then just about every claim would de facto have to be accepted as true. And if everything is accepted as true, the none of the truly accurate claims can lead the way to technological progress because there's no logical way of weeding out the bad ones. However, the scientific method came along and said, "If you claim a thing to be true, then you must show supporting evidence for it." This was a major buzzkill because, again, it ended up filtering out lots of wrong ideas, allowing the correct ones to stand above the rest.

So, that being said, we have this event called "the resurrection." We wouldn't be discussing it if it hadn't come up in the first place, so naturally that's where the conversation begins. Therefore, what is your supporting evidence for it?
 
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Cardinal said:
In principle, yes, you just have the placement of it wrong.

If everyone could claim that something was real (for example, the resurrection) and that it was up to everyone else to prove it wrong, then just about every claim would de facto have to be accepted as true. And if everything is accepted as true, the none of the truly accurate claims can lead the way to technological progress because there's no logical way of weeding out the bad ones. However, the scientific method came along and said, "If you claim a thing to be true, then you must show supporting evidence for it." This was a major buzzkill because, again, it ended up filtering out lots of wrong ideas, allowing the correct ones to stand above the rest.

So, that being said, we have this event called "the resurrection." We wouldn't be discussing it if it hadn't come up in the first place, so naturally that's where the conversation begins. Therefore, what is your supporting evidence for it?
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I would never tell someone they should or should not believe in the resurection. I wouldnt even mention it since it is a matter of faith. However, if someone tells me something is debunked, they are trying to convince me of something and therefore needs to provide proof. Heck, if it is debunked and you dont want me to believe in it, it would seem like you would be chomping at the bit to provide the proof of the resurections debunking.
 
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Amandi said:
I would never tell someone they should or should not believe in the resurection. I wouldnt even mention it since it is a matter of faith. However, if someone tells me something is debunked, they are trying to convince me of something and therefore needs to provide proof. Heck, if it is debunked and you dont want me to believe in it, it would seem like you would be chomping at the bit to provide the proof of the resurections debunking.
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The use of the word "debunk" in this case would refer to no evidence having been presented that it's true. And as no such evidence has been presented, "debunked" is good enough. Now, in stiff and formal discussion, a scientist would be careful not to specifically state that a claim is untrue, but rather that no evidence has yet been forthcoming in support of the claim, and leave it at that. But after a certain number of claims and failures to support them, the scientist knows, and we know, that those claims are bull****.
 
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Amandi said:
No evidence does not equate to debunked. Debunked requires proof against.
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The fact that there is no mechanism for someone being 'resurrected' after 3 days dead is proof enough, since no one can show it can even happen to begin with.
 
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Cardinal said:
The use of the word "debunk" in this case would refer to no evidence having been presented that it's true. And as no such evidence has been presented, "debunked" is good enough. Now, in stiff and formal discussion, a scientist would be careful not to specifically state that a claim is untrue, but rather that no evidence has yet been forthcoming in support of the claim, and leave it at that. But after a certain number of claims and failures to support them, the scientist knows, and we know, that those claims are bull****.
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Then say what you mean and mean what you say. Debunk means proof has been given; if all you want to say is there is no proof for something I wouldnt have even spoke up.
 
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RAMOSS said:
The fact that there is no mechanism for someone being 'resurrected' after 3 days dead is proof enough, since no one can show it can even happen to begin with.
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Then say what you mean and mean what you say. Debunk means proof has been given; if all you want to say is there is no proof for something I wouldnt have even spoke up.
 
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Amandi said:
Then say what you mean and mean what you say. Debunk means proof has been given; if all you want to say is there is no proof for something I wouldnt have even spoke up.
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It's like this..we ahve positive evidence that people who die, and are rotting in the grave for three days, stay dead. There is no evidence other than unsupported religious claims and dogma that principle has been violated.

Therefore, we have evidence, that just doesn't happen. We have billions off examples of that not happening.
 
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