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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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TheNextEra said:
No, that's called freedom. Don't like it, move to another country that doesn't have freedom. YOU don't get to decide how "I" live.
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Then your idea of freedom is essentally wrong.... bordering on crying fire in a crowded theater, IMHO It's like theft of morality.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Well then leaving this country won't be any worse. The difference is you will be in a country that doesn't allow freedom like YOU want. So when are you packing your bags or is this just another "I hate America" rant from you?
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I never used the word (obviously a favorite of the Left) HATE. IMO government policy is not indicative of the over-all pulse of American morality or thought.

In the case of SSM is an over indulgence of said freedoms.
 
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WCH said:
Then your idea of freedom is essentally wrong.... bordering on crying fire in a crowded theater, IMHO It's like theft of morality.
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"A theft." "Accept sin into their lives." You keep trying to make this about you. As if two men getting married actually has an effect on you. I can name specific, measurable harm caused by the "crying fire in a theater" example, but you cannot do the same with same-sex marriage. You cannot name any specific harm this causes to your marriage, my marriage, anyone else's marriage, or any aspect of society.

Theft of morality. So, what, you're less moral now?
 
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Deuce said:
"A theft." "Accept sin into their lives." You keep trying to make this about you. As if two men getting married actually has an effect on you. I can name specific, measurable harm caused by the "crying fire in a theater" example, but you cannot do the same with same-sex marriage. You cannot name any specific harm this causes to your marriage, my marriage, anyone else's marriage, or any aspect of society.
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Well he did say there was going to be a Sodom and Gomorrah part II.
 
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Logicman said:
Exactly. And we don't want the wrath of God coming down on our country because of SSM and other debauchery.
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WCH said:
It will be a surprise. Besides that we will all be judged when we die.
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WCH said:
God needs to slap American up side the head.
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WCH said:
Then your idea of freedom is essentally wrong.... bordering on crying fire in a crowded theater, IMHO It's like theft of morality.
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And that, my friends, is why we have separation of church and state.
 
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Logicman said:
Exactly. And we don't want the wrath of God coming down on our country because of SSM and other debauchery.
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Which is one of the stupidest reasons to ever be against anything. We have a 50% divorce rate (something Jesus himself talked against), rapes, murders, lies (almost every single person in this country lies about something every single day, and it may be all), fornicators (only about 3% of people in the US wait until marriage to have sex, that is less than the population of those who would fit into the LGBT... community), and so many other "sinners" in this country, yet some want to believe that God is going to punish us for allowing same sex couples to marry everywhere. This beliefs continues despite the fact that other countries have been persecuting Christians, Jews, and those of many other religions for decades, if not centuries or longer, and yet haven't faced anything that could be reasonably described as "God's wrath".
 
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WCH said:
Wrong.... sin affects us all negatively.[as I've said 100 times]

You think it's religion that is evil, I believe homosexuality and gay matrimony are.

One of us is dead wrong.
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You cannot prove that "sin" or really what you believe is sin, since that is subjective, affects us all negatively, particularly when these sins do not deal with one person doing something negative (stealing, killing, lying about, etc.) to another person.

Personally, I don't believe that religion is evil, just a tool some use for various reasons, to explain some things they/we don't understand.
 
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WCH said:
As soon as you stop insisting on leading a sinful life. That's the way it works.
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No it isn't how it works. That is how you would like it to work, which is not likely to happen in this country any time soon, since most people would not be able to completely agree on how it should work, exactly what constitutes "living a sinful life". And no, the Bible isn't good enough since there are about 41000 difference denominations of Christians, and many within those denominations have their own varying conflicting beliefs with their churches. Heck, many Catholics believe that same sex marriage should be legal despite the Catholic church putting out that it does not support same sex marriage (54% of US Catholics support same sex couples being legally allowed to marry).
 
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WCH said:
To Hell with your government..It's not the end all you would love for it to be.

It's wrong more often than it's right.
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Never claimed govt was the end all and be all.
It is however the ONLY way that rights are granted. In a democracy they are also protected.
Your seem to be under the impression that rights should be granted or removed based on your personal beliefs. That is not only silly it is just plain wrong.
 
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WCH said:
That's no where to be found in our laws
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And fortunately for the rest of us you're wrong. Why do you need the U.S. to be a country that follows your interpretation of Christian law anyway? You're free to practice your faith.
 
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Quag said:
Never claimed govt was the end all and be all.
It is however the ONLY way that rights are granted. In a democracy they are also protected.
Your seem to be under the impression that rights should be granted or removed based on your personal beliefs. That is not only silly it is just plain wrong.
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I could say those same things to you
 
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cardinal said:
and fortunately for the rest of us you're wrong. Why do you need the u.s. To be a country that follows your interpretation of christian law anyway? You're free to practice your faith.
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find it
 
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WCH said:
find it
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Why do you need the u.s. To be a country that follows your interpretation of christian law anyway? You're free to practice your faith.
 
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WCH said:
I could say those same things to you
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Yes you can say anything to me. You could say the moon is made of cheese or that the sun revolves around the earth.
It's nice to live in a democracy where you have freedom of speech isn't it?
However I am not trying to deny you rights so you would be in error if you tried to say the same things to me. You could say them, but you would be wrong.
 
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WCH said:
That's no where to be found in our laws
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Actually it is, in case law, which are part of our laws.

From Everson v Board of Education Opinion of the SCOTUS:

The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."
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Case law is part of our laws. It is the reason why a police officer cannot shoot a fleeing suspect in the back unless the police believe he poses a serious threat to the public or the officers (Tennessee v Garner).
 
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Cardinal said:
Why do you need the u.s. To be a country that follows your interpretation of christian law anyway? You're free to practice your faith.
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This country and it's institution were founded on Christian principles. Most of us would like to retain that spirit.
 
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WCH said:
This country and it's institution were founded on Christian principles. Most of us would like to retain that spirit.
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The treaty of Tripoli makes clear we were not. Besides, why does that mean I have to live according to Christian principles? I'm not Christian. As it stands you can go to church as you like, practice your faith as you like, and statistically no one is going to discriminate against you based on your religion. Most people would consider that a pretty good deal.
 
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roguenuke said:
Actually it is, in case law, which are part of our laws.

From Everson v Board of Education Opinion of the SCOTUS:



Case law is part of our laws. It is the reason why a police officer cannot shoot a fleeing suspect in the back unless the police believe he poses a serious threat to the public or the officers (Tennessee v Garner).
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That applies to what the state can not do. (No state church or authority over church proceedings)
 
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Quag said:
Yes you can say anything to me. You could say the moon is made of cheese or that the sun revolves around the earth.
It's nice to live in a democracy where you have freedom of speech isn't it?
However I am not trying to deny you rights so you would be in error if you tried to say the same things to me. You could say them, but you would be wrong.
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If this were a democracy, there would be no SSM where it was not wanted.
 
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WCH said:
That applies to what the state can not do. (No state church or authority over church proceedings)
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It applies to many things. You said to show where in our laws you find that distinction, and I showed you. You are now trying to correct that by putting stipulations on what it specifically means.
 
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WCH said:
If this were a democracy, there would be no SSM where it was not wanted.
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There is a reason that we are not and never were meant to be a democracy, but rather are a republic, with a Constitution and representatives. The founding fathers knew direct democracies were a bad idea.
 
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WCH said:
This country and it's institution were founded on Christian principles. Most of us would like to retain that spirit.
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Too bad. In reality, we weren't really founded on Christian principles, particularly not the Christian principles we currently find now.
 
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WCH said:
If this were a democracy, there would be no SSM where it was not wanted.
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If this were a democracy there wouldn't be a Constitution and all laws would be put to a vote. That means that there would be national votes that would apply across the country. So ya, there might be areas that didn't want same-sex marriage, but if the vote to pass SSCM exceeded the vote of subordinate areas then there would still be SSCM in those areas.


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WCH said:
If this were a democracy, there would be no SSM where it was not wanted.
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You obviously don't understand the difference between a constitutional representative democracy and mob rule.
 
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