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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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roguenuke said:
Fine ignore me. But I will continue to point out the flaws in your arguments and comments.
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When you're making inane comparisons you're just rattling your trap.
 
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Deuce said:
Says the guy continually bringing up bestiality and polygamy.
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I believe that would be pedophilia and polygamy. Never said anything about bestiality.

You're catching on though.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
You know, for a "straight" guy, navypride sure does spend a lot of time thinking about homosexual sex.
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I found out today that he is 77. He's from an era where gays didn't exist or else they where dutifully and nobly punished, imprisoned, and or executed.
 
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Logicman said:
Some may say Jesus never spoke out against homosexuality. That’s not really true. Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made. (righterreport.com)
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In Romans he made heterosexual people start lusting for people of the same sex as a punishment, it doesnt say anything about people who are homosexual to start with. In I Corinthians some translators have made convincing arguments that it is referring to rape when you look at other places the actual Greek words were used.
 
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Logicman said:
Some may say Jesus never spoke out against homosexuality. That’s not really true. Jesus is God. As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sexual relations to begin with; and he’s the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.

It’s also worth noting that Jesus didn’t mention wife beating or other sins such as pedophilia either, and there are not many folks who would argue he approved of those behaviors. So Jesus was under no obligation to reiterate the moral laws against homosexual sin that already existed, unless there were clarifications to be made. (righterreport.com)
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What does Jesus' words have to do with the debate over same sex marriage. Nearly every Christian marriage includes the phrase "What God has joined, let no man put asunder", yet not many Christians rally against divorce. It's accepted as a necessary civil proceeding. Same sex marriage should be viewed the same way. There is a distinct difference between what we should do as Christians and what we should do as a country. It's okay for them to be at odds. Maybe your church doesn't allow same sex marriage. I support that, Neither does mine. I can't (nor should anyone) support using that as reasoning not to allow equal treatment to others.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Nice dodge, you hate religion. almost 90% of the people in this country believe in God and adhere to some religion.If you don't like it don't let the door hit you in t he ass on the way out......We have people dying so you can speak your peace about religion....That is the sad part. Lefties like you and your daddy Obama are slowly destroying this country.
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You're out of date, as usual. Less than 80% of Americans, according to the latest Pew Research survey are religious and more than 16% are not religious. According to other polls I've seen, the irreligious number is as high as 22%. Religion is failing in America, in another couple of decades or so, it will likely be in the minority.
 
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Zinthaniel said:
I found out today that he is 77. He's from an era where gays didn't exist or else they where dutifully and nobly punished, imprisoned, and or executed.
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And soon he will die and his absurd and irrational paranoid beliefs will die with him and the modern world will march on.
 
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maquiscat said:
You understand that 1) the federal government hasn't been passing any laws in and of themselves concerning who can and can't get married. That has be left to the states. 2) When the states are left to choose their own laws and no federal government intervention occurs, that allows one state to say you are married and another to declare your marriage null and void on a legal level if you become a resident of that second state.



And you still fail on this argument, even when quoting the very text that shows your comment failing. You can't be in a country that says that only one religion will be allowed and say that the country bans religion. It doesn't ban religion, a statement that would be all inclusive. Those countries ban all but one, if they even ban that many. You are challenged to back up your statement by finding a country that actually bans religion period. Or be a man and admit and maintain the argument that you are discussing countries that ban all but one. But you still have to show that they actually ban all but Islam, as in cite the laws.
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What about DOMA? Clinton signed it.

I also know that saying it's unfair for people in SSM to not have legal rights in states that don't permit SSM, its nothing but a new avenue to attack the laws of that state. Bring in custody of children who might suddenly end up there is another.

My question is why you would want to live in a state who's majority doesn't want you there?
 
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WCH said:
What about DOMA? Clinton signed it.
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Technically speaking DOMA doesn't say who can and can't be married. It simply states the federal government will only acknowledge same sex marriage when referencing benefits and such.
 
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WCH said:
My question is why you would want to live in a state who's majority doesn't want you there?
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So all the blacks should have moved out of the southern states? *THEY* should have to disrupt their lives because of the ignorance and hate of others?

And you call yourself a Christian? *utter disgust* You are certainly not an American.
 
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WCH said:
What about DOMA? Clinton signed it.

I also know that saying it's unfair for people in SSM to not have legal rights in states that don't permit SSM, its nothing but a new avenue to attack the laws of that state. Bring in custody of children who might suddenly end up there is another.

My question is why you would want to live in a state who's majority doesn't want you there?
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Clinton signed DOMA at a time when same sex marriage had so little support, that, had Clinton not signed it, it still would have went through (they had the votes to get around a veto), and it is possible that they would have pushed for a Federal Marriage Amendment, which they also had the support for, at the time. Unlike many laws/acts signed by the President, Clinton didn't have any sort of signing ceremony for DOMA. He didn't support it but at the very least had wise enough advisers to point out the reality of the situation of the time. It never was a good thing, but it was the lesser of two evils in this case, since it staved off an FMA, allowing time for support to build for DOMA to get struck down.
 
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roguenuke said:
Clinton signed DOMA at a time when same sex marriage had so little support, that, had Clinton not signed it, it still would have went through (they had the votes to get around a veto), and it is possible that they would have pushed for a Federal Marriage Amendment, which they also had the support for, at the time. Unlike many laws/acts signed by the President, Clinton didn't have any sort of signing ceremony for DOMA. He didn't support it but at the very least had wise enough advisers to point out the reality of the situation of the time. It never was a good thing, but it was the lesser of two evils in this case, since it staved off an FMA, allowing time for support to build for DOMA to get struck down.
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Like ObamaCare...
 
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Phoenix said:
I know what DOMA states. It doesn't make reference to who can and can't marry within the states. It actually acknowledges that same sex marriages WILL exist and defines how the FEDERAL government will deal with them.
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But one poster up says it was the lesser of two evils. Evil being SSM.
 
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WCH said:
But one poster up says it was the lesser of two evils. Evil being SSM.
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NO, the two evils were
1) Sign DOMA into law and limit same sex marriage benefits at a federal level or
2) Don't sign and risk a federal marriage amendment which would be INCREDIBLY hard to overturn.

So yes it was the lesser of the two evils.
 
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WCH said:
But one poster up says it was the lesser of two evils. Evil being SSM.
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SSM is not evil. People who want to use their religion to enforce their ideas on others are
 
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Quag said:
SSM is not evil. People who want to use their religion to enforce their ideas on others are
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We'll let God sort that out.
 
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WCH said:
Like ObamaCare...
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Do you think I approve of Obamacare? I have no idea what was going on with that.

Both Republicans and Democrats supported DOMA in 1994 in both houses of Congress (342 in the House, 85 in the Senate, votes for this bill). That was enough to get a Federal Marriage Amendment through both houses. Unlike Obamacare (which Obama supported, for whatever insane reason), Clinton did not really support DOMA, he simply knew that it would be pointless to stop it. He didn't even allow photos to be taken when he signed it.
 
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WCH said:
But one poster up says it was the lesser of two evils. Evil being SSM.
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Oh, no. Don't you dare put words in my mouth. The other, greater "evil" would have been a Federal Marriage Amendment.
 
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roguenuke said:
Do you think I approve of Obamacare? I have no idea what was going on with that.

Both Republicans and Democrats supported DOMA in 1994 in both houses of Congress (342 in the House, 85 in the Senate, votes for this bill). That was enough to get a Federal Marriage Amendment through both houses. Unlike Obamacare (which Obama supported, for whatever insane reason), Clinton did not really support DOMA, he simply knew that it would be pointless to stop it. He didn't even allow photos to be taken when he signed it.
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I was making a humorous comparison based on evils.
 
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roguenuke said:
Oh, no. Don't you dare put words in my mouth. The other, greater "evil" would have been a Federal Marriage Amendment.
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Sorry. that was a bad way to put it.
I added the "evil being SMM" part.
 
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WCH said:
Sorry. that was a bad way to put it.
I added the "evil being SMM" part.
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The Science Museum of Minnesota is evil? I've heard only good things about Minnesota, and I can't imagine a Science Museum being evil. Or maybe you mean the "SMM - leading international maritime trade fair"? While it is held in Hamburg, I don't think that automatically makes it evil.:mrgreen:
 
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