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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

Papa bull said:
You can always think up some sort of alternative "reasoning" for bestiality laws that doesn't have anything to do with "it's icky", but I think we both know the real reason for these laws is because bestiality is disgusting and unnatural. Feel free to deny that if it suits your agenda, though.
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And you simply cannot prove me wrong. You cannot prove that it is because of what you said. You have an agenda against gays, so I think you might want to get off that little soap box of yours accusing others of agenda.

The fact remains SSM does not change anything and gays raise children just fine. You're simply proven wrong in all areas of homosexuality. But it's ok, soon your kind will slowly die out or change their views. It's only a matter of time.
 
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TheNextEra said:
And you simply cannot prove me wrong. You cannot prove that it is because of what you said. You have an agenda against gays, so I think you might want to get off that little soap box of yours accusing others of agenda.

The fact remains SSM does not change anything and gays raise children just fine. You're simply proven wrong in all areas of homosexuality. But it's ok, soon your kind will slowly die out or change their views. It's only a matter of time.
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We were merely discussing the fact that we can and do base laws on what we consider right and wrong based on any variety of reasons we may have up to and including forbidding what we consider unnatural. It's the truth and you don't have to like it for it to be true.
 
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Papa bull said:
We were merely discussing the fact that we can and do base laws on what we consider right and wrong based on any variety of reasons we may have up to and including forbidding what we consider unnatural. It's the truth and you don't have to like it for it to be true.
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No it isn't the truth, it's your opinion and it is rejected. You must really be upset that we no longer beat gays to death or imprison them anymore for just being gay. Sorry, but your time has come and gone, don't like it the door out of the country is mearly a passport away for you. Feel free to leave anytime you want.
 
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TheNextEra said:
No it isn't the truth, it's your opinion and it is rejected. You must really be upset that we no longer beat gays to death or imprison them anymore for just being gay. Sorry, but your time has come and gone, don't like it the door out of the country is mearly a passport away for you. Feel free to leave anytime you want.
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OK, you went off the deep end. I'm done with you.
 
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Navy Pride said:
There is a silent majority on every issue....I belong to the Fleet Reserve Association and we have over 100 members and none have ever been polled on SSM.
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First of all - if you are a silent majority -----coulda fooled, well everyone.

Secondly, are you looking for them to poll your organization or the individuals within. 100 people is not a lot. It would not be unusual for them not to poll you.

I have never been polled. Oh my gosh, what does that mean??? That means that out of over 300,000 million citizens almost everybody will not be polled.
 
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Navy Pride said:
As usual that is pure crap....Me and many of my fellow Vets would love to be polled.
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CriticalThought said:
That kind of defeats the purpose of random sampling.
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Ding ding ding we have a winner.

Specifically polling only a group of 100 people.....how is that random. Oh yeah, because this month they polled Karl and Steve at NPs group instead of Mike and Mark.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I see we are now in fantasy land. Race is a different issue than sex. The attack on the Constitution continues. It will eventually be allowed in all states, but that doesn't mean that the federal government has ever been granted any power by the Constitution to force states to do it.

I don't believe in it, but if a state okay's it, so be it. If a federal judge subverts the will of the people in a state, and forces it on them, I've got a problem with that. Everyone should have a problem with that. But I know the left, and it's quite alright, if they get there way, the Constitution be damned.
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Race is a different issue than sex. Nobody claims it's the "same" issue. But they're similar. Gender is a protected classification also. Thus, intermediate scrutiny applies and same-sex marriage bans do not pass this test. Constitution be damned? No, friend, you're the one ignoring the 14th.
 
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Papa bull said:
We were merely discussing the fact that we can and do base laws on what we consider right and wrong based on any variety of reasons we may have up to and including forbidding what we consider unnatural. It's the truth and you don't have to like it for it to be true.
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And a law based on nothing other than a subjective perception of "unnatural" doesn't necessarily pass constitutional scrutiny.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I think this is a good point that is overlooked, mostly because of PC reasons and that the gay marriage crowd doesn't want to face it. People mate to procreate, and to keep the species going.
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No, nobody overlooks this. We discuss this fifty times in every single thread. Overlooked? Seriously?

No, it's been responded to over and over. Procreation is not a deal breaker for marriage. If it were, you would be arguing against allowing the elderly or infertile to marry, or for annulling the marriage of people who do not intend to have children. But you're not doing that, so the procreation argument is disingenuous. It's a smokescreen for what is just a moral disapproval of someone else's actions, a retroactive justification for that disapproval.
 
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ecofarm said:
A rightwing version of mediamatters or huffington.
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Could be.. However.. when it comes to online polls like that, it will be answered by people who frequent the site, and are those who self select to answer it. That makes online polls less than accurate, no matter which site supplies the poll.
 
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Deuce said:
And a law based on nothing other than a subjective perception of "unnatural" doesn't necessarily pass constitutional scrutiny.
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Well, I suppose we'll see how it works out when the deviant left challenges bestiality laws, won't we?
 
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Deuce said:
No, it's been responded to over and over. Procreation is not a deal breaker for marriage. If it were, you would be arguing against allowing the elderly or infertile to marry, or for annulling the marriage of people who do not intend to have children. But you're not doing that, so the procreation argument is disingenuous. It's a smokescreen for what is just a moral disapproval of someone else's actions, a retroactive justification for that disapproval.
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I was pointing out the fact that homosexual sex can not produce offspring and has no role in the continuation and evolution of the species, whereas heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. If people stopped having homosexual sex tomorrow, it wouldn't effect our species in the least, if at all. If heterosexual sex stops, humans vanish from the Earth. Just a slight difference there. Not a comment on marriage, but just on nature.
 
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Papa bull said:
Well, I suppose we'll see how it works out when the deviant left challenges bestiality laws, won't we?
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So far only conservatives are talking about beastiality. Seems like you guys are more interested in it than the left.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I was pointing out the fact that homosexual sex can not produce offspring and has no role in the continuation and evolution of the species, whereas heterosexual sex is essential to the continuation of the species. If people stopped having homosexual sex tomorrow, it wouldn't effect our species in the least, if at all. If heterosexual sex stops, humans vanish from the Earth. Just a slight difference there. Not a comment on marriage, but just on nature.
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Which has nothing to do with marriage.

If two people are homosexual and cannot marry, taking away their ability to marry doesn't stop them from being homosexual. Therefore procreation has no bearing on whether SSM should be legal or not.
 
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Papa bull said:
Well, I suppose we'll see how it works out when the deviant left challenges bestiality laws, won't we?
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Right on schedule with the logical fallacies. You can set your watch by it.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Which has nothing to do with marriage.

If two people are homosexual and cannot marry, taking away their ability to marry doesn't stop them from being homosexual. Therefore procreation has no bearing on whether SSM should be legal or not.
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Oh, but it is different, is it not? Marriage is the union of two opposite sex people, a building block of human society, why should we call the union of two same sex people the same thing, when it clearly is not? Why do we have to go out of our way to do this? Why can't gays just get the same rights in their unions?
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, but it is different, is it not? Marriage is the union of two opposite sex people, a building block of human society, why should we call the union of two same sex people the same thing, when it clearly is not? Why do we have to go out of our way to do this? Why can't gays just get the same rights in their unions?
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Because not ALL marriages heterosexual or not produce children. Nobody onj the pro-SSM is going out of their way. The ones going out of their way are people such as youself to prevent it from happening. Here's a hint, it's going to happen whether you like it or not. Better learn to deal with it now or you are going to sorely be depressed later.

BTW the whole idea of civilian unions was rejected by the right early on, which is actually a good thing for the pro-SSM movement because now they only have marriage to fight for and will win. Thank you.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Because not ALL marriages heterosexual or not produce children. Nobody onj the pro-SSM is going out of their way. The ones going out of their way are people such as youself to prevent it from happening. Here's a hint, it's going to happen whether you like it or not. Better learn to deal with it now or you are going to sorely be depressed later.

BTW the whole idea of civilian unions was rejected by the right early on, which is actually a good thing for the pro-SSM movement because now they only have marriage to fight for and will win. Thank you.
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You're welcome!
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, but it is different, is it not? Marriage is the union of two opposite sex people, a building block of human society, why should we call the union of two same sex people the same thing, when it clearly is not? Why do we have to go out of our way to do this? Why can't gays just get the same rights in their unions?
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Because they want marriage, which historically has come to mean the permanent creation of a new bond recognized within the community. It has great symbolic significance that goes far past Christianity. A union is to a marriage what a promise ring is to a wedding ring, or knockoff jeans are to Armani.
 
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Kobie said:
Right on schedule with the logical fallacies. You can set your watch by it.
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I think we all need to be deeply concerned by the rate at which people who oppose gay marriage have human/horse ****ing on the brain.
 
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Papa bull said:
Well, I suppose we'll see how it works out when the deviant left challenges bestiality laws, won't we?
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Well, we know one place where Liberals won't challenge bestiality laws. Texas! Yep, totally legit there. Also Kentucky, Nevada, North Carolina, West Virginia and Wyoming.
 
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Navy Pride said:
As usual that is pure crap....Me and many of my fellow Vets would love to be polled.
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How would that change reality? You think that because there are a few more who like you wish to maintain discrimination, that changes what most people think?
 
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Anthony60 said:
I think this is a good point that is overlooked, mostly because of PC reasons and that the gay marriage crowd doesn't want to face it. People mate to procreate, and to keep the species going.
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You should get out more often and also try reading some books.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I think this is a good point that is overlooked, mostly because of PC reasons and that the gay marriage crowd doesn't want to face it. People mate to procreate, and to keep the species going.
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My wife and I didn't mate to procreate, and we have no intention of ever doing so.
 
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