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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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Navy Pride said:
ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC are all left wing media outlets...............If Townhall is right then they are left.
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I posted Pew and a few others, NP. Find me ONE polls that shows that Americans do NOT support SSM that has scientific validity. ONE.
 
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Navy Pride said:
A large part of the silent majority don't support SSM unfortunately they or people like me never get questioned on polls.
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Wrong NP. The majority SUPPORT SSM. This has been shown in every poll, consistently. There is no silent majority on this issue.
 
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ecofarm said:
While consent is the basis, I figure buggering a horse is unnatural. Would you argue it is natural?
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Does it occur in nature? This is not a popular definition, I'm aware, but one must be consistent. We do not design laws based on what is or isn't natural.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Does it occur in nature? This is not a popular definition, I'm aware, but one must be consistent. We do not design laws based on what is or isn't natural.
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I'm goin' with 'unnatural' on horse buggery.
 
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Papa bull said:
It's significant because only two states have legalized marijuana, while the number that have legalized homosexual marriage is in the teens and expected nationwide even though a greater percentage of people want marijuana legalized. You don't have to think it's interesting.
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Maybe its because the DEA holds a lot of sway on our politicians and policies?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Here's a poll from Gallup from May.

Poll: A new record for gay marriage - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com

55% of Americans support SSM, AGAIN, consistently rising over the past few years. 65's and over are the only group who don't support it.

Another very interesting poll.
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That over 65 crowd who opposes SSM really bugs me..these were the flower children of the 6Os, the peaceniks, the free love crowd, protestors and now they have been "saved" or something and become straight and narrow. They no longer see clearly or remember who they used to be.
 
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Papa bull said:
Since male and female actually IS what nature intended, I can understand why no one calls an interracial marriage an oxymoron because as long as it's one from the female of the species and one from the male of the species, it still makes sense. Of course, racists would oppose it but not because it's not marriage, but, ironically, because it IS the very nature and purpose of marriage that they would find so loathsome between people of mixed race. While there's no doubt that homosexual relationships are real relationships, they simply can't truly be marital relationships by any reasonable expectation of the purpose and design of marriage. While I do find this to be a conundrum because I think homosexuals should have access to the same protections that marriage affords, I'm just not convinced that just extending the definition of marriage to accommodate that makes sense. It's the simplest solution but it creates an oxymoron because two people of the same sex can't be a natural marriage. That's my opinion and I know it's not one shared by everyone and that's cool with me. I don't think it's necessary for everyone to share my opinion on anything.
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What a relief as very few share your opinions on anything. Nature didn't intend anything one way or the other as everything in nature is natural. Opposition to SSM is mostly based on religious bias and is totally irrelevant to the issue.. Love is Love and it matters not the gender of those involved in a relationship. Love usually leads to marriage. Very simple.
 
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Papa bull said:
It revolves around the basic nature of mammal biology that parings are always between a male and female of the species. Whether they're fertile or not isn't the defining criteria.
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I hate to break your heart, but animals have been known to prefer the same sex as well. Still natural as is all of nature.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Just changing the name of marriage my far out left wing friend.......I am really OK with everything else that is getting stuffed down our throat by the "Feel Good" leftys like you.
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If not being a bigot makes me a leftist in your eyes, I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Townhall.com is a conservative website... meaning that conservatives frequent it... meaning that any results will be biased and irrelevant.
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Plus the fact that you have to sign up to receive their biased spam before you can vote. Sure, that'll get a lot of people who disagree with the religious hate-mongers to vote!
 
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oneworld2 said:
I support both same sex marriage and the legalization of weed. In fact I support the decriminalization of all drugs
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How about LSD in kids' cereals?
 
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American said:
How about LSD in kids' cereals?
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Why would there be LSD in kids' cereal if drugs were decriminalized? Wait.... before you answer that: Do you understand the difference between legalization and decriminalization? I'll give you a clue, neither one would make LSD in kids' cereal a reality.
 
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American said:
How about LSD in kids' cereals?
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The US prohibited alcohol at one time. The abandonment of this position never led to the manufacture or sale of whiskey cheerios AFAIK
 
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oneworld2 said:
The US prohibited alcohol at one time. The abandonment of this position never led to the manufacture or sale of whiskey cheerios AFAIK
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Yeah, the point is a no limits libertarian view of the world. There should be no limits on anything. And btw, whiskey cheerios for kids.would be illegal today.
 
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Papa bull said:
Since male and female actually IS what nature intended, I can understand why no one calls an interracial marriage an oxymoron because as long as it's one from the female of the species and one from the male of the species, it still makes sense. Of course, racists would oppose it but not because it's not marriage, but, ironically, because it IS the very nature and purpose of marriage that they would find so loathsome between people of mixed race. While there's no doubt that homosexual relationships are real relationships, they simply can't truly be marital relationships by any reasonable expectation of the purpose and design of marriage. While I do find this to be a conundrum because I think homosexuals should have access to the same protections that marriage affords, I'm just not convinced that just extending the definition of marriage to accommodate that makes sense. It's the simplest solution but it creates an oxymoron because two people of the same sex can't be a natural marriage. That's my opinion and I know it's not one shared by everyone and that's cool with me. I don't think it's necessary for everyone to share my opinion on anything.
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You wrongly assume that nature "intended" anything. Nature didn't even "intend" marriage. And marriage has had many purposes since its beginning, not all centered around baby-making. In fact, many people since marriage began have gone outside of their marriages to make babies, and many more have been married and remained married for decades without ever having any children, either by choice or "design".

You are simply throwing in some nonsense that is nothing more than subjective opinion and beliefs.
 
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Papa bull said:
It revolves around the basic nature of mammal biology that parings are always between a male and female of the species. Whether they're fertile or not isn't the defining criteria.
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Except this isn't true. Pairings in many species of mammals include two males or two females, at least for a minority of their numbers.
 
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Sabanist said:
Well, as a personal opinion, which i am entitled to, i dont want to see gay pda. But gays seem to want to put their sexuality in peoples faces moreso than heteros.

Its unnatural and disgusting.

You and other gays want to fight someone so bad you knew full well what i meant but you had to exaggerate.

I do not think the gov should be involved however. That would be an over reach of governmental power imo
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Perhaps the problem is just that because you don't like it, you notice "gay pda" more than "straight pda"? There is no evidence that any gays place their sexuality in your face more than heteros, only that it is becoming more common for them to openly display their sexuality, which is a change from the past, and something that we are more likely to notice than hetero pda, since we are used to seeing two people of different sexes kissing.
 
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American said:
Yeah, the point is a no limits libertarian view of the world.There should be no limits on anything
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I healthy respect for individual liberty doesn't equate to " no limits " imho

And btw, whiskey cheerios for kids.would be illegal today.
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And it would remain so for obvious reasons
 
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JoeTrumps said:
let me roll a molotov cocktail into this thread.
allowing gays to marry is like letting someone into a golf club who doesn't play golf.
2/3rds of gay people who marry admit they are not monogamous to one another FROM THE START of the marriage.
3/4ths have no plans to adopt/have children.

in short, they aren't in any way trying to live the lives of a standard "married couple". they just want the right. so let's give it to them. They only want it for the "title", not the idea or meaning of the thing. Just let them have it already. enjoy
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First, there is no requirement to remain monogamous in marriage, nor is there a requirement to have children or even raise children in marriage. Those simply aren't legal (or at least not enforceable by an outside force with the exception of the military when it comes to monogamy) requirements of legal marriage. Legal marriage is an agreement to become each other's legal kin, from a legal standpoint. It is not a legal agreement to only be in an intimate or sexual relation with that person unless the two people entering into it agree. It is not a legal agreement to have or raise children together unless the people agree to this, and even then there are always going to be times when they can't guarantee this.
 
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Deuce said:
No, again, it's just because you completely ignore every instance of flaunted heterosexuality. When a buddy of yours says "Dude, that chick is hot!" It's the same thing. Every double entendre, every slow-motion shot of a woman in a bikini, every love/flirting/sex scene in basically every movie that exists. That's all heterosexuality. All the time. You're just numb to it.
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Heck even a show like The Nanny from the 90s had at least a dozen sexual innuendos or double entendres in each episode.
 
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roguenuke said:
Heck even a show like The Nanny from the 90s had at least a dozen sexual innuendos or double entendres in each episode.
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I don't think those were double entendres. They were basically single entendres.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
let me roll a molotov cocktail into this thread.
allowing gays to marry is like letting someone into a golf club who doesn't play golf.
2/3rds of gay people who marry admit they are not monogamous to one another FROM THE START of the marriage.
3/4ths have no plans to adopt/have children.

in short, they aren't in any way trying to live the lives of a standard "married couple". they just want the right. so let's give it to them. They only want it for the "title", not the idea or meaning of the thing. Just let them have it already. enjoy
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Who says, for the people who choose to enter the institution, that it doesn't have "meaning"?

Cite your obviously bull**** statistics.
 
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American said:
How about LSD in kids' cereals?
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You do understand that wanting drugs decriminalized is not the same as letting minors have it don't you?
 
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American said:
Yeah, the point is a no limits libertarian view of the world. There should be no limits on anything. And btw, whiskey cheerios for kids.would be illegal today.
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You automatically assume that libertarians want "No" limits, they simply want limited government. I know it's a tough concept for some conservatives to understand, since many like to use big government to dictate morality.
 
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American said:
Yeah, the point is a no limits libertarian view of the world. There should be no limits on anything. And btw, whiskey cheerios for kids.would be illegal today.
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Not so. A true Libertarian wouldn't want children to have access to drugs any more than we advocate for children having whiskey in their cereal. Liquor is legal for anyone over 21 (as it should be). Drugs should be lega for anyone over 21. Why would anyone else care what I decide to put in my body?
 
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