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Claire McCaskill: ‘We need to demilitarize’

That is only one piece of an effective strategy and by itself isn't usually very effective.
It's pretty effective in that people seldom rob stores or steal cars while locked up. We could do more, of course. We could put the thieves and other assorted bad guys in tents surrounded by barbed wire and machine gun nests and make them do hard labor until they earn their freedom, for example. One reason that people steal is that they haven't learned to work for the things that they want.
 
It's pretty effective in that people seldom rob stores or steal cars while locked up. We could do more, of course. We could put the thieves and other assorted bad guys in tents surrounded by barbed wire and machine gun nests and make them do hard labor until they earn their freedom, for example. One reason that people steal is that they haven't learned to work for the things that they want.
Or we could participate in community development projects so people have viable economic alternatives
 
You're cherry picking and you know it. Otherwise, you should just come out and say "There are no riots or looters".
Did I say there are no rioters or looters?
To paint everyone as a rioter or a looter is quite wrong.... Because as many have admited the vast majority are peaceful.
 
Other alternatives besides stealing or working? What might that be?
That's pretty much it but work is not always available and if it is, it may only be minimum wage work.

Its not a binary issue
 
Other alternatives besides stealing or working? What might that be?

Well, we seem to of found an alternative to the justice system. Instead of spending money on all those courts and other useless junk like investigations, we will just have the press release limited information and then hang anyone the mob decides deserves it. Much cheaper than police, judges and all that.
 
Please tell me you are actively working on Secession for Texas! Let me know what I can do to help.
 
The first amendment does not protect looters and violence. When confronted with violence like these police are, show greater capability. If those being violent don't get that message, then waste the ****ers. Rubber bullets should never be used, lead is so much more effective.

Anyone doing this kind of lawless bull**** over something they don't even know the facts of are people society would be much better without and completely ****ing stupid. Let give Darwin a hand.

I see you took your "kill them all" pill today.
 
I see you took your "kill them all" pill today.

You control violence by meeting it head on with violence, but be better at it and brutal enough that it gets the message across.

Peace is not won with tolerance, acceptance and compromise with evil and wrong doing. It is won either be being so good at violence that no one dare **** with you or by putting a gun to evil peoples heads and blowing their useless brains out.
 
You control violence by meeting it head on with violence, but be better at it and brutal enough that it gets the message across.

Peace is not won with tolerance, acceptance and compromise with evil and wrong doing. It is won either be being so good at violence that no one dare **** with you or by putting a gun to evil peoples heads and blowing their useless brains out.

Please take that ignorant reference to "The Republic of Texas" out of your location, it's a myth. You embarrass the rest of us Texans who are sane. The same goes with your Rambo attitude toward others. Learn to leave that crap at the movies.
 
Picketing, carrying signs, talking to the media, insisting on a trial for the officers involved, that is free speech and totally appropriate in this situation.

Rioting and looting is not free speech. It is violence and theft and is not an appropriate response to anything.

While that is true, the outrage is about potential excessive use of force by the police department (perhaps what amounts to the execution of a unarmed black man by a white police officer.... not saying that IS what happened, but that is the concern of the black community of Ferguson).

When the police department shows up dressed like the SS, essentially doubling down on the allegation of excessive use of force, its likely to provoke the outrage of some of the more militant of the protestors. Its as if the police department said "...excessive force? I'll show you excessive force..."

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Whoever was in command of policing of the protest is an idiot. The optics of this are so obviously insensitive to the situation at hand..... no question some of the protestors were over the top; but so were the police. Good policing is about de-escalating a situation; not aggravating it.

I appreciate the fact that the rioters compromise the integrity of the underlying protest by distracting the less savvy from the issue; but don't a member of the less savvy.
 
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Always a giggle when liberals talk about free speech, amendments and the constitution. Tots adorbs.

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Couldnt agree more! A militarized, aggressive police force has put a giant hold on our first amendment right to freedom of speech. It has lead us to look more and more like a police state, rather than a state that uphold our Constitution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
 
Hard to sell that after what just happened in repsonse to the shooting in St Louis.

Rioters need to be stopped immediately, and it takes too long to organize the National Guard.

So Im all for equiping the first responders with what they need.

Bull, the normally equipped policy handled protests and riots just fine in the past. It's moronic to have policy who look, act and are equipped as our military. The NG, is capable. I support the two senators ambitions.
 
Bull, the normally equipped policy handled protests and riots just fine in the past. It's moronic to have policy who look, act and are equipped as our military. The NG, is capable. I support the two senators ambitions.


LOL !!

Go Google the 1992 LA riots and watch the videos that show the first 24 hours of the riots.

Watch the thugs pull innocent people from their vehicles and beat them to a pulp because there wasn't enough of a Police presence to shut down the roads leading into the epicenter of the riot

What did it take to finally get the rioting and looting under control in 1992 ?

It took the California National Guard.

You have no idea what your talking about
 
While that is true, the outrage is about potential excessive use of force by the police department (perhaps what amounts to the execution of a unarmed black man by a white police officer.... not saying that IS what happened, but that is the concern of the black community of Ferguson).

When the police department shows up dressed like the SS, essentially doubling down on the allegation of excessive use of force, its likely to provoke the outrage of some of the more militant of the protestors. Its as if the police department said "...excessive force? I'll show you excessive force..."

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Whoever was in command of policing of the protest is an idiot. The optics of this are so obviously insensitive to the situation at hand..... no question some of the protestors were over the top; but so were the police. Good policing is about de-escalating a situation; not aggravating it.

I appreciate the fact that the rioters compromise the integrity of the underlying protest by distracting the less savvy from the issue; but don't a member of the less savvy.

If the protesters were actually protesting, carrying signs, marching in the street, even shouting insults and acting a bit rowdy, then the above would be an excessive force.

But, they're not. They're not really protesters at all, but rioters and thieves. It will take force to make them stop and restore peace. Meanwhile, there is no way to address the incident that sparked the riots until peace is restored.
 
If the protesters were actually protesting, carrying signs, marching in the street, even shouting insults and acting a bit rowdy, then the above would be an excessive force.

But, they're not. They're not really protesters at all, but rioters and thieves. It will take force to make them stop and restore peace. Meanwhile, there is no way to address the incident that sparked the riots until peace is restored.

Says you. Bull****.
 
Says you. Bull****.

So, your position is that the protesters are actually peaceful and exercising their First Amendment rights appropriately? All the stories of looting and damaging property are just bull****?

Really?
 
So, your position is that the protesters are actually peaceful and exercising their First Amendment rights appropriately? All the stories of looting and damaging property are just bull****?

Really?

Agreed - there are some who were throwing molotov cocktails at the police as documented already. While there are many who are peacefully protesting there are some who are not, as evidenced by the looting, violence. This is not one sided at all....

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What they need to do is put them on the streets of South-side Chicago. Shooting deaths of blacks by blacks would stop almost immediately.

Tim-
 
Please take that ignorant reference to "The Republic of Texas" out of your location, it's a myth. You embarrass the rest of us Texans who are sane. The same goes with your Rambo attitude toward others. Learn to leave that crap at the movies.

Right. Lessons learned from actual history are "Rambo Crap" from the movies.

The only embarrassment there is to Texas is that we actually have people stupid enough to be leftist.
 
What they need to do is put them on the streets of South-side Chicago. Shooting deaths of blacks by blacks would stop almost immediately.

Tim-

I think the "Chicago Way" from the movie "Untouchables" is appropriate and would work very well. "if they pull a knife, you pull a gun. If they put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue. Thats the Chicago Way."
 
If the protesters were actually protesting, carrying signs, marching in the street, even shouting insults and acting a bit rowdy, then the above would be an excessive force.

But, they're not. They're not really protesters at all, but rioters and thieves. It will take force to make them stop and restore peace. Meanwhile, there is no way to address the incident that sparked the riots until peace is restored.

It was an excessive display of force. So the police backed down and the protests were civil. .

The contrast speaks for itself. The civic official who authorized the SS into the street is idiot.
 
It was an excessive display of force. So the police backed down and the protests were civil. .

The contrast speaks for itself. The civic official who authorized the SS into the street is idiot.

The protests are now civil? Is that because, (1) the cops "backed down, (2) all the good stuff is already looted, or (3) the show of force discouraged the vandals and thieves, leaving only the real protesters?

or, perhaps a combination of all three.
 
LOL !!

Go Google the 1992 LA riots and watch the videos that show the first 24 hours of the riots.

Watch the thugs pull innocent people from their vehicles and beat them to a pulp because there wasn't enough of a Police presence to shut down the roads leading into the epicenter of the riot

What did it take to finally get the rioting and looting under control in 1992 ?

It took the California National Guard.

You have no idea what your talking about

And you've paid no attention to any of my posts then. For it is precisely the NG that I have advocated in post after post should be tasked with the job when events eclipse normal law enforcement capabilities.
 
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