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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

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nota bene said:
Just out of curiosity, have you checked out any of the photos yourself? I'm going to guess no.
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Yes I have--look at this pic. . .

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Clearly, it shows that Christians are child abusers. You'd have to be insane to think that Christians aren't child abusers by looking at that pic.

nota bene said:
I've looked at a few of the photos (not at Fox; I've no idea what they've made available, but I doubt they're as graphic as the pics I've seen). I don't think the one of the little girl's body on the floor, headless, and then the one of her father holding up her little body, headless, is bogus.
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Probably not, but assumptions about the identity and/or group affiliation of the individual(s) who did it to her are bogus, since there's no evidence* from credible sources to back it up.

nota bene said:
Are you invested somehow in denying that ISIS is killing little kids?
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I want proof from a credible source and tangible documentation substantiating the identity and affiliation of the killers before I jump to conclusion.
 
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nota bene said:
Or you could just check the Reuters and AP news feeds. :roll:
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or you could know what you are talking about about, which is seldom. It isn't done that way...duh.
 
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solletica said:
Yes I have--look at this pic. . .

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Clearly, it shows that Christians are child abusers. You'd have to be insane to think that Christians aren't child abusers by looking at that pic.



Probably not, but assumptions about the identity and/or group affiliation of the individual(s) who did it to her are bogus, since there's no evidence* from credible sources to back it up.



I want proof from a credible source and tangible documentation substantiating the identity and affiliation of the killers before I jump to conclusion.
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I should've known better than to attempt to have a reasonable conversation with you. Your picture is stupid as is your projection about the photo. You need search no further than Reuters, but you could also check multiple news sources for confirmation. You haven't done that, and I suspect you have no real interest in doing so. Far better to pretend that children aren't being killed. The truth is out there...but you have to seek it.
 
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nota bene said:
Just out of curiosity, have you checked out any of the photos yourself? I'm going to guess no
I've looked at a few of the photos (not at Fox; I've no idea what they've made available, but I doubt they're as graphic as the pics I've seen). I don't think the one of the little girl's body on the floor, headless, and then the one of her father holding up her little body, headless, is bogus.Are you invested somehow in denying that ISIS is killing little kids?
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More ignorant replies. The guy looks a few photo's and becomes an expert. Note how this op becomes not only an expert in news but propagandizes the same news that is supposed to be reported as accurately and impartially as possible. Then the same people whine about bias in the news.

Americans deserve accurate and valid news. Years of watching faux news has dulled the senses of some people where thy can't tell the difference anymore and want to leap into sensationalism. Heinous and barbaric crimes happen in war and the first thing a journalist does is to present the most accurate and valid account as possible. Lately, news is being manipulated as to show only that which gains ratings.

Your appeal to pathos is sickening.
 
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That's super-great that you've studied Aristotle's three modes of appeal. Pity you don't understand them.

I haven't appealed to pathos at all. :lamo
 
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Frodly said:
What do you know about Islamism? Do you know the history of American support for Islamists? Do you know the history of support for Islamists by American backed dictators? ISIS is a real threat to the peoples of the Middle East. Islamism is a trumped up bogeyman to scare right wingers into being obsequious and casting their glare away from the pillaging that is happening inside their own homes, and instead focus on a scary threat half way across the world.
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Yes, it's all America's fault. Muslims are murdering innocent people all over the world and somehow it will always be the fault of the Americans.
 
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If atrocities are being committed by ISIS, the world needs to know. I'm all for independently corroborating reports and photos. For example, the photo of the headless girl may have been taken after Syria bombed Yemen. But among those accusing ISIS of atrocities is Iraq's minister of human rights. Reports are coming in from all over the world. I think it's foolish to knee-jerk assume that none of the reports is true.
 
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solletica said:
Yes I have--look at this pic. . .
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Clearly, it shows that Christians are child abusers. You'd have to be insane to think that Christians aren't child abusers by looking at that pic.Probably not, but assumptions about the identity and/or group affiliation of the individual(s) who did it to her are bogus, since there's no evidence* from credible sources to back it up.
I want proof from a credible source and tangible documentation substantiating the identity and affiliation of the killers before I jump to conclusion.
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All digital camera's now a days embed metadata in the image. There are programs like this http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl= online or you can download free, that can quickly find out any metadata on the photo, including dates and oftentimes GPS coordinates. I would never rely on what you hear in a forum. There are also other quick ways to vetting an image or even a story but that is for a separate thread.
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Grant said:
Yes, it's all America's fault. Muslims are murdering innocent people all over the world and somehow it will always be the fault of the Americans.
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Yup, despite the fact that these islamists are doing this all over the world and NOT just to major world powers.
 
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Grant said:
Yes, it's all America's fault. Muslims are murdering innocent people all over the world and somehow it will always be the fault of the Americans.
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A Canadian knows what about this. What's Harper doing to protect anybody???????
 
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I don't know if the pics are authentic or not.... but the lack of blood on the beheaded girl seems odd.
 
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solletica said:
Nope, the world should be more concerned w/the brain-dead idiot red-white-and-bluers who apparently are too stupid to consider the possibility that their own media is simply offering them one-sided coverage of a conflict as a means to foster support for another childish Third-World intervention.



Good, you should ask her whether every single person in Iraq who is fighting against the Shiite-dominated Iran-backed regime in Iraq refers to him/herself as ISIS of whether every single member of ISIS supports the kind of extremism that's cited by the media, or whether those extremists merely represent a small segment of larger group w/a more general goal--something that's typical of every political movement in the history of the planet, except in the world of limbaugh-make-believe where there are only goodies and baddies.
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I can tell you that I do not get my information from the mainstream media. I live and work in the Middle East and I have contacts all over the region. Most of the media scare mongering over things happening their is orientalist nonsense. However, if anything they are downplaying just how horrific ISIS is. They are also not like Asad, Saddam Hussein, or Qaddafi. Those men are/were interested in only protecting and furthering their own power and wealth. They did horrible things to ensure that, but their ambitions were limited. The Islamic State on the other hand has no limitations on their ambitions. They want to establish a global caliphate. These are dangerous and evil men, and people are right to fear them.
 
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US Conservative said:
I know its a cancer on the world. Both of my parents spent time all over the ME (Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon) teaching at various American schools. They told me how poorly Arabs treat not just Christians and Jews, but each other. Both experienced threats and there was an attack on one school. Not all were islamist, some were "just" political and anti-American.

Islamism is more than a religion/govt/judiciary...it is a cancer on the world and it wont be stopped until its excised.
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Islamism is a political trend. It will be excised by its own inefficacy!! People whose solutions to all the worlds problems is Islam, cannot but fail to govern in a way that is even remotely approaching competency. Arab socialism and Arab Nationalism were the dominant political trends of the 20th century. It was the failures of those political ideologies, mixed with the promotion of Islamism by America and American backed dicators, the withdrawal of state services that accompanied the rise of neoliberalism (and Muslim organizations stepping in in their place), and the rise in influence of Gulf oil states (where the most radical strands of Islam originate) that saw Islamism rise as a force. It will fall away as soon as people realize Islamism isn't equipped to deal with the problems of a modern state. The thing to worry about is not that it will spread across the globe, nor the specter of Islam that is spreading over Europe, nor any other such bigoted nonsense. It is that hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East (if not more) will lose their lives and homes before the rest of the people of the region realize this.
 
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Frodly said:
Islamism is a political trend. It will be excised by its own inefficacy!! People whose solutions to all the worlds problems is Islam, cannot but fail to govern in a way that is even remotely approaching competency. Arab socialism and Arab Nationalism were the dominant political trends of the 20th century. It was the failures of those political ideologies, mixed with the promotion of Islamism by America and American backed dicators, the withdrawal of state services that accompanied the rise of neoliberalism (and Muslim organizations stepping in in their place), and the rise in influence of Gulf oil states (where the most radical strands of Islam originate) that saw Islamism rise as a force. It will fall away as soon as people realize Islamism isn't equipped to deal with the problems of a modern state. The thing to worry about is not that it will spread across the globe, nor the specter of Islam that is spreading over Europe, nor any other such bigoted nonsense. It is that hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East (if not more) will lose their lives and homes before the rest of the people of the region realize this.
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Islamism isn't new and its not going away-the artifact was apolitical Islam-a result of arab nationalism.
Islamists have asked the question, "If Islam is a way of life, how can we say that those who want to live by its principles in legal, social, political, economic, and political spheres of life are not Muslims, but Islamists and believe in Islamism, not [just] Islam?"[25] Similarly, a writer for the International Crisis Group maintains that "the conception of 'political Islam'" is a creation of Americans to explain the Iranian Islamic Revolution and apolitical Islam was an historical fluke of the "shortlived heyday of secular Arab nationalism between 1945 and 1970," and it is quietist/non-political Islam, not Islamism, that requires explanation.[26]
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Moot said:
I don't know if the pics are authentic or not.... but the lack of blood on the beheaded girl seems odd.
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As compared to what you've seen in movies? I take students on my medic shifts-and they always remark about that-lethal injuries often bleed very little-that can be because they dont HAVE anymore blood, or because their heart stopped almost immediately.
 
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US Conservative said:
As compared to what you've seen in movies? I take students on my medic shifts-and they always remark about that-lethal injuries often bleed very little-that can be because they dont HAVE anymore blood, or because their heart stopped almost immediately.
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So...you're saying there wouldn't be any blood if the head was cut off after death? Not even a few drops around the collar?
 
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There is propaganda, disinformation and deceit all around.
 
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Moot said:
So...you're saying there wouldn't be any blood if the head was cut off after death? Not even a few drops around the collar?
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Yes, but that does not mean it happened here. I wish I could say ISIS wasn't dismembering or crucifying people after death. The point is you can't assume anything from that picture.
 
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US Conservative said:
Yes, but that does not mean it happened here. I wish I could say ISIS wasn't dismembering or crucifying people after death. The point is you can't assume anything from that picture.
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Right, that's the point. There's plenty of propaganda.
 
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Grant said:
Yes, it's all America's fault. Muslims are murdering innocent people all over the world and somehow it will always be the fault of the Americans.
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Again, do you know anything about the history? America spent decades and billions of dollars promoting Islamist groups. That is a fact. Until the 1970s and more the 1980s, secular groups dominated the political landscape in the Middle East. American interests were better served by Islamist groups, who were content with obtaining conservative social reforms, than by leftist and nationalist groups who would challenge the status quo in relation to oil politics. Nationalists/leftist like Mossadeq challenged that status quo and were deposed. Others like them were repressed and imprisoned by their local dictators. Islamism was certainly organic in some ways, but in many ways it was manufactured by the political structures of the region.
 
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