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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

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grip said:
It may very well be that we cannot afford to allow this terror group to continue to grow in power and scope. If they gain more assets and land, how long before they march into other neighboring countries, like Jordan and Kurdistan, Turkey etc? We may not be able to wait for the UN to get their act together or have them join in later.

I guarantee, if there's an affiliated terrorist attack on US soil the press and Congress will go ape bananas and send 500k troops and heavy arms, like the Kuwait invasion. Which IMO is how to fight a war and get it over with quickly, costing less money in the long run. Hell, it may even boost production enough to give the economy a kick start?
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Actually without other countries support monetarily or with troops it will crash our economy. We cannot take this debt alone.
 
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ocean515 said:
As you wrote, examples of Islam, and what it really is - Evil
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Yeah, because my Muslim neighbor is just like ISIS. :roll:

Yes, radical Islam exists, that doesn't mean EVERYONE that follows Islam is a terorist and supports ISIS.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yeah, because my Muslim neighbor is just like ISIS. :roll:

Yes, radical Islam exists, that doesn't mean EVERYONE that follows Islam is a terorist and supports ISIS.
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I'd certainly welcome their involvement in ridding the earth of the evil Islam is reigning down on innocent women and children. I understand Muslims are likely not to want to see the connection, but it's as real as water. Unfortunately, their overall silence is deafening. I don't know if they are threatened, or what it is that keeps them on the sidelines in areas where you would expect them to be loudly rejecting what is being done.
 
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ocean515 said:
I'd certainly welcome their involvement in ridding the earth of the evil Islam is reigning down on innocent women and children. I understand Muslims are likely not to want to see the connection, but it's as real as water. Unfortunately, their overall silence is deafening. I don't know if they are threatened, or what it is that keeps them on the sidelines in areas where you would expect them to be loudly rejecting what is being done.
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I can point to MANY American Muslims sites where they are denouncing the violence. The problem is that media doesn't want to cover it, but it is out there.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Actually without other countries support monetarily or with troops it will crash our economy. We cannot take this debt alone.
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Nah, we have a running debt of trillions that's showing no signs of slowing. I'm telling you, this ISIS has no barriers or reasons to stop. They're nucking futz, and if they disrupt the 17 million barrels of oil coming thru the Strait of Hormuz, it will cause a global economic collapse far faster than the US kicking ISIS back into the desserts.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I can point to MANY American Muslims sites where they are denouncing the violence. The problem is that media doesn't want to cover it, but it is out there.
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I suppose that is a problem then. That is why I wrote there seems to be silence from areas where I would expect Muslims to be the loudest. They should be in the news with protests and denouncements. I just don't see it, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. Considering what ISIS, AQ, MB and others are doing in the name of Islam, I would expect more would be done to correct the perception.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yeah, because my Muslim neighbor is just like ISIS. :roll:

Yes, radical Islam exists, that doesn't mean EVERYONE that follows Islam is a terorist and supports ISIS.
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Thats a strawman, but in any case its the radicals driving the agenda.
 
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US Conservative said:
Thats a strawman, but in any case its the radicals driving the agenda.
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Yes, I agree it is RADICALS, that doesn't mean ANY follower of Islam. The radical element IS a threat and needs to be dealt with I agree. I'm just not going around blaming EVERY Muslim for what's going on when in fact there are millions of them that do denounce the violence.
 
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US Conservative said:
ISIS is in Iraq because a weak liberal allowed them to be. It happened on his watch, as a direct consequence of his policies.
Everyone but the left knows this.
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Leftists know it too. But most of them devotedly serve in this President's fanny-covering squads, because they share his resentment of, and contempt for, the United States. These people secretly cheer whenever this country gets whatever they believe is its comeuppance.

That's why, after 9/11, Ward "Sitting Bull" Churchill, the despicable commie and fake Indian who used to indoctrinate students at Colorado Boulder, dared to slander the people murdered at the World Trade Center as "little Eichmanns." They got what they deserved, he thought, for helping the evil, Nazi-like system of American capitalism. And Mr. Obama's longtime friend Jeremiah Wright meant something similar when he said, "America, your chickens have come home to roost."
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes, I agree it is RADICALS, that doesn't mean ANY follower of Islam. The radical element IS a threat and needs to be dealt with I agree. I'm just not going around blaming EVERY Muslim for what's going on when in fact there are millions of them that do denounce the violence.
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People are more than just their religion, but that doesn't change the fact that Islam is a radical religion in and of itself. The reason ISIS are bad and your neighbours are good is because ISIS are stricter adherents to the scripture than your neighbours are.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes, I agree it is RADICALS, that doesn't mean ANY follower of Islam. The radical element IS a threat and needs to be dealt with I agree. I'm just not going around blaming EVERY Muslim for what's going on when in fact there are millions of them that do denounce the violence.
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He wasn't speaking for each and every muslim everywhere ever. Be cool-he was making a generalization-generalizations are useful and you make them daily. In any case, its a red herring-dont be so easily distracted-the issue isnt the word "all", its islamic moderates NOT speaking out or appearing to have any effect against islamists. Conflicts with islamists are probably the driving political issue these days-and islamists are pouring into asia and africa.
 
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matchlight said:
Leftists know it too. But most of them devotedly serve in this President's fanny-covering squads, because they share his resentment of, and contempt for, the United States. These people secretly cheer whenever this country gets whatever they believe is its comeuppance.

That's why, after 9/11, Ward "Sitting Bull" Churchill, the despicable commie and fake Indian who used to indoctrinate students at Colorado Boulder, dared to slander the people murdered at the World Trade Center as "little Eichmanns." They got what they deserved, he thought, for helping the evil, Nazi-like system of American capitalism. And Mr. Obama's longtime friend Jeremiah Wright meant something similar when he said, "America, your chickens have come home to roost."
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Thats how it works with the left-they claim to care but every so often they display their true colors and its horrifying. A few pages back, in THIS thread, a poster suggested that the awful pics coming out of Iraq of 2 year old girls being beheaded were doctored or fakes. :doh

Enough of the platitudes and feel good BS-thats what got us into this mess-and we will ignore it at our own peril.
 
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Nilly said:
People are more than just their religion, but that doesn't change the fact that Islam is a radical religion in and of itself. The reason ISIS are bad and your neighbours are good is because ISIS are stricter adherents to the scripture than your neighbours are.
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Islam is NOT just a religion-its a govt/political and legal structure as well, and for the vast majority of its history (and still in many places, more and more) it has been this way.

This is another reason why its so hard to address-one can superimpose secular law and govts on muslims, but there is always this other system, and to ignore completely either of these implies not being a proper muslim.
 
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US Conservative said:
Thats how it works with the left-they claim to care but every so often they display their true colors and its horrifying. A few pages back, in THIS thread, a poster suggested that the awful pics coming out of Iraq of 2 year old girls being beheaded were doctored or fakes. :doh

Enough of the platitudes and feel good BS-thats what got us into this mess-and we will ignore it at our own peril.
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Maybe more peril is what the US needs to jolt us into accepting policies that will protect us going forward. Let me take a devil's advocate view here.... Obama claimed a red line, spoke to the press, had mitigating military options on the table.... 10,000 people dead, 50,000 people dead - multiple chemical attacks - 80,000 people dead in Syria, 100,000+ people dead in Syria. Nothing.

We have an open border in the south of our country with border agents babysitting instead of patrolling - think terrorists haven't already come over that border? We're already in peril. This administration is willing to sell out anyone's safety to further their political policies.
 
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Nilly said:
People are more than just their religion, but that doesn't change the fact that Islam is a radical religion in and of itself. The reason ISIS are bad and your neighbours are good is because ISIS are stricter adherents to the scripture than your neighbours are.
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That may be your opinion, but the same could be said about the bible itself. There are always those that use the bible or other religious texts in a radical way either to gain or abuse power.

The religion is not to blame, the interpretation of the religion is. Again, I'm not saying radical Islam is not a threat, but there is a reason it is RADICAL Islam and not Islam.
 
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Ockham said:
Maybe more peril is what the US needs to jolt us into accepting policies that will protect us going forward. Let me take a devil's advocate view here.... Obama claimed a red line, spoke to the press, had mitigating military options on the table.... 10,000 people dead, 50,000 people dead - multiple chemical attacks - 80,000 people dead in Syria, 100,000+ people dead in Syria. Nothing.

We have an open border in the south of our country with border agents babysitting instead of patrolling - think terrorists haven't already come over that border? We're already in peril. This administration is willing to sell out anyone's safety to further their political policies.
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Indeed. Obama has no credibility or political capital, here or abroad. Everyone is miserable, the economy sucks, the govt spies on everyone-its a **** time to be an American, frankly. This is the worst Ive ever seen-but from talking to people older it sounds like this might be the worst in their memories as well.

**** the PC political lies from our govt-they aren't representing us. Obama could have easily taken out ISIS a year ago, and instead he befriended the SAME group in Syria.
 
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TheNextEra said:
That may be your opinion, but the same could be said about the bible itself. There are always those that use the bible or other religious texts in a radical way either to gain or abuse power.

The religion is not to blame, the interpretation of the religion is. Again, I'm not saying radical Islam is not a threat, but there is a reason it is RADICAL Islam and not Islam.
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Look back at the marxists, nazi's, etc-the moderates dont set the agenda, even if they are the majority. I highly recommend you catch this clip...id be interested in your thoughts.

 
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US Conservative said:
Look back at the marxists, nazi's, etc-the moderates dont set the agenda, even if they are the majority. I highly recommend you catch this clip...id be interested in your thoughts.

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I can't load up the video from where I'm at but I will take a look at it later when I get to my home computer.
 
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US Conservative said:
Look back at the marxists, nazi's, etc-the moderates dont set the agenda, even if they are the majority. I highly recommend you catch this clip...id be interested in your thoughts.

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Great stuff!!!
 
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Eric7216 said:
As I stated, these are complex factors. Perhaps the birth rate improved, perhaps because the people felt more confident about the future. Perhaps people started to have more children for some other reason. More was involved then the simply improvement in the death rate.
It should be easy enough to look at the population of Iraq in 2002 or around that time, and the current population. From the same source. Perhaps compare that 33% or so boom in population with other countries at the same time. And ask yourself how it happened. I hypothesize that there was some improvement in the country, even while in a state of war.
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Wow! That is a surprise. The population of Iraq has been growing for a long time, despite dictators and wars. It went from just over 18 million in 1990 to over 32 million in 2010. There are some missing years, due to war no doubt, but a steady growth of population.

Now, are we to attribute that to the demise of Saddam Hussain?

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SouthernDemocrat said:
Ok, well we had over 100,000 troops there at a cost of thousands of American lives and well over a trillion dollars for nearly 10 years. So are you willing to commit them there for another 10 on the off chance that a Muslim nation cobbled together will some how get its sh*t together after we blow another trillion dollars there? Iraq isn't Germany.
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I would absolutely have been willing to commit troops there for another 50 years, had we done it smarter from the get go. Ive spent 7 years in the ME. There are some very good people there. Our problem was not taking out Saddam. Our problem was not ousting the Taliban. our problem (which Bush and Obama are both responsible for) is that we have done a pisspoor job of post war ops. That starts in our congress and with the incessant game of politics people have engaged in since immediately after the war ended.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Wow! That is a surprise. The population of Iraq has been growing for a long time, despite dictators and wars. It went from just over 18 million in 1990 to over 32 million in 2010. There are some missing years, due to war no doubt, but a steady growth of population.

Now, are we to attribute that to the demise of Saddam Hussain?

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Not sure. Using your data, it appears that in the 10 years prior, 1991 to 2001, the population grew from 18,561,000 to 23, 584,000. An increase of 27%. And from 2001 to 2011 the population grew from 23,584,000 to 32,540,000, and increase of 38%. 38% is 40% higher than 27%. Seems like a healthy improvement.

Thanks for verifying that part of my point. But my main point is that the media lied and talked about how millions fled Iraq during the war and Lancet published studies Oct, 2004 and Oct 2006 (Oddly timed to shortly before US elections and widely reported in the media) about 100,000 Iraqis killed and 600,000 Iraqis killed, respectively. Yet when the war was over a more official report is that 103,000 Iraqis were killed total and most of those in the civil war that allied forces were trying to limit.


How does a country's growth rate increase 40% over the previous period when a war is going on?
 
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