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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

How long did it take to stabilize Germany post WW2?

Perhaps if both parties hadnt immediately switched from universal support of the war against terrorism to campaign mode at the expense of the mission and troops, the outcome there would have been radically different.

Perhaps if the rest of the world got involved there wouldn't even BE an ISIS. I see lots of fault and blaming on Obama and GWB (Which they both deserve for their acts involved in Iraq and Afghanistan), but the fact is even with their blunders if the rest of the world had stepped up to the plate and contributed ISIS wouldn't even exist.
 
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Perhaps if the rest of the world got involved there wouldn't even BE an ISIS. I see lots of fault and blaming on Obama and GWB (Which they both deserve for their acts involved in Iraq and Afghanistan), but the fact is even with their blunders if the rest of the world had stepped up to the plate and contributed ISIS wouldn't even exist.
Sure...a valid point.
 
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You know the U.S. is not the only country in the world, other countries could have EASILY picked up the slack should they have chosen to do so. Good going on blaming Obama for EVERYTHING though.

Pray tell what nations easily could, let alone would. This will be interesting. :cool:
 
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So what?? Imagine that, a politician trying to polish a turd... Keep a 100,000 American troops over there and it will be stable as long as we are there. Is that what you want?
No...keep 100,000 troops there and it is stable after the government has stabilized and they have the capacity and will to defend themselves. You know...like we did in Germany after the 2nd WW. There were pockets of Nazi resistance that were taking shots at US soldiers for 15 years after the war and we are STILL there today. Had we done after the 1st what we did after the 2nd, there might not have BEEN a second.
 
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Pray tell what nations easily could, let alone would. This will be interesting. :cool:

All countries could have contributed troops and money. Are you seriously saying that the countries in the U.N. can't contribute ANYTHING? Gimme a break. I don't think there are any countries (aside from one or two) that could foot the whole thing, but there are countries that could have contriubted to prevent this from coming.

We can no longer afford to be the world's SOLE police either with money or lives.
 
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Perhaps if the rest of the world got involved there wouldn't even BE an ISIS. I see lots of fault and blaming on Obama and GWB (Which they both deserve for their acts involved in Iraq and Afghanistan), but the fact is even with their blunders if the rest of the world had stepped up to the plate and contributed ISIS wouldn't even exist.

My wife showed me pictures of beheaded children and others yesterday from a website she found a link to. Needless to say, it was EXTREMELY upsetting. These pictures, as disturbing as they remain to me today, should be circulated, so the world understands what Islam and ISIS represents.

I'm not sure how it would be done, but it's time for the free nations of the world to band together and remove this evil from the planet.
 
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These are the guys that Al Qaeda considers too extreme. What did Obama think would happen if he withdrew? What an ass.

What did Bush think would happen when we attacked? What an ass.
 
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My wife showed me pictures of beheaded children and others yesterday from a website she found a link to. Needless to say, it was EXTREMELY upsetting. These pictures, as disturbing as they remain to me today, should be circulated, so the world understands what Islam and ISIS represents.

I'm not sure how it would be done, but it's time for the free nations of the world to band together and remove this evil from the planet.

Any beheading is upsetting, that is why I know longer look at them. And I agree with world needs to band together. What I'm tired of seeing is the world doing nothing and expecting the U.S. to foot the bill for everything with money and lives only to turn on us and say how bad we are for doing it.

While I personally would like to see ISIS wiped off the map, I agree with Obama that we shouldn't be going back there boots on the ground without the world behind us and contributed equally in money and/or lives.
 
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All countries could have contributed troops and money. Are you seriously saying that the countries in the U.N. can't contribute ANYTHING? Gimme a break. I don't think there are any countries (aside from one or two) that could foot the whole thing, but there are countries that could have contriubted to prevent this from coming.

We can no longer afford to be the world's SOLE police either with money or lives.

I was expecting a nuanced answer like "all countries could have contributed troops and money." Heres how the world works-each nation looks after its own best interests-its only if these overlap and the political environment is right that you see cooperation in such matters. Most nations dont have the capability, let alone the inclination to really contribute.

Remember Obama's strikes in Libya? Did you know while we got superficial support from other nations (Italy, France), we just GAVE them missiles to launch and bombs to drop?

What you are going to see, in a world with less US involvement, and more by Russia and China is more of this type of even (child massacres) because thats how the world is, and nobody else will step in to do anything.

Isolationism sounds great now to some, perhaps like it did on 9/10-and in the meantime things like this become more common.
 
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Any beheading is upsetting, that is why I know longer look at them. And I agree with world needs to band together. What I'm tired of seeing is the world doing nothing and expecting the U.S. to foot the bill for everything with money and lives only to turn on us and say how bad we are for doing it.

While I personally would like to see ISIS wiped off the map, I agree with Obama that we shouldn't be going back there boots on the ground without the world behind us and contributed equally in money and/or lives.

I agree with you're perspective. This is a global issue, and shouldn't be just for the US to address. The pictures should be shown to leaders of those countries, (I'm sure they've likely seen them) and the question of complacency should be asked.

Don't click on this link if you want to avoid seeing what Islam and Isis is all about. I post it so those who doubt what is going on can see the truth.

Gruesome Pictures Of ISIS Executing Christians In Iraq & Syria Surfaces Online | 360Nobs.com
 
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My wife showed me pictures of beheaded children and others yesterday from a website she found a link to. Needless to say, it was EXTREMELY upsetting. These pictures, as disturbing as they remain to me today, should be circulated, so the world understands what Islam and ISIS represents.

I'm not sure how it would be done, but it's time for the free nations of the world to band together and remove this evil from the planet.

There was a picture of a Christian woman they had stripped, and they slit her throat and bleeding her out into a bucket like she was a damn goat. This is evil. If an individual in the US did this we'd be devoting resources to his capture, trial, and punishment.

A GROUP of arab thugs does it like its cool-and we get a very tepid response from Obama. Public opinion on this will depend on media coverage but part of the benefit of a nearly endless string of scandals and disasters is this getting glossed over.

THIS is the group we set out to fight the war on terror against.
 
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I was expecting a nuanced answer like "all countries could have contributed troops and money." Heres how the world works-each nation looks after its own best interests-its only if these overlap and the political environment is right that you see cooperation in such matters. Most nations dont have the capability, let alone the inclination to really contribute.

Remember Obama's strikes in Libya? Did you know while we got superficial support from other nations (Italy, France), we just GAVE them missiles to launch and bombs to drop?

What you are going to see, in a world with less US involvement, and more by Russia and China is more of this type of even (child massacres) because thats how the world is, and nobody else will step in to do anything.

Isolationism sounds great now to some, perhaps like it did on 9/10-and in the meantime things like this become more common.

I'm not wanting isolationism, what I am wanting is contributions equally by all countries in the U.N. on THIS matter. It is quite clear to EVERYONE in the U.N. that ISIS needs to be stopped. Therefore ALL countries in the U.N. should be contributing EQUALLY in money and/or troops to accomplish this.

I'll say again we CANNOT afford to be the SOLE world's police force anymore. We can't afford it economically, politically, or with our soldier's lives. If you think we can, then you better be booking a trip with some private security group and man up and join the fight regardless of your age. Go right ahead and put YOUR money and life for this. Can't do it? Stop armchair quarterbacking then and welcome to reality.
 
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There was a picture of a Christian woman they had stripped, and they slit her throat and bleeding her out into a bucket like she was a damn goat. This is evil. If an individual in the US did this we'd be devoting resources to his capture, trial, and punishment.

A GROUP of arab thugs does it like its cool-and we get a very tepid response from Obama. Public opinion on this will depend on media coverage but part of the benefit of a nearly endless string of scandals and disasters is this getting glossed over.

THIS is the group we set out to fight the war on terror against.

I can't conjure up the proper words to describe these biomasses of Islam properly. The level of raw evil is almost beyond my ability to comprehend. The silence and indifference of so many seems similar to the silence and indifference of those people living near Concentration Camps. It's all fine until no one is left to protect the silent when evil comes knocking on their door.
 
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I'm not wanting isolationism, what I am wanting is contributions equally by all countries in the U.N. on THIS matter. It is quite clear to EVERYONE in the U.N. that ISIS needs to be stopped. Therefore ALL countries in the U.N. should be contributing EQUALLY in money and/or troops to accomplish this.

I'll say again we CANNOT afford to be the SOLE world's police force anymore. We can't afford it economically, politically, or with our soldier's lives. If you think we can, then you better be booking a trip with some private security group and man up and join the fight regardless of your age. Go right ahead and put YOUR money and life for this. Can't do it? Stop armchair quarterbacking then and welcome to reality.

I would normally agree with this statement that the world needs to help foot the bill and responsibility, because they sure benefit from our efforts there. When Bush caught hell for the Iraq insurgency and civil war, he came out with the statement, "America is addicted to oil." Meaning to me that the war there was more about strategic energy assets, then removing dangerous dictators or spreading democracy.

My point is that the US broke Iraq's infrastructure and social control, then when we cobbled it back together with a sectarian moron like Maliki, and tried to completely extricate ourselves from anymore responsibilities. I agree we should've never went in 2003 and that Obama trying to pull out completely was eventually necessary, but it didn't work and we are primarily at fault.

If we can build an international coalition force to help solve Iraq's power vacuum that has filled with thugs, then fine, but we can't abdicate responsibility for the slaughter of all those people we supposedly tried to originally save. Powell said it, "you brake it, you buy it" and so it is.
 
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I'm not wanting isolationism, what I am wanting is contributions equally by all countries in the U.N. on THIS matter.

All countries simply can't do it, and even if they could it wouldnt be equal, and even if it was they wont want to.

Its almost like international diplomacy is hard.
 
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I can't conjure up the proper words to describe these biomasses of Islam properly. The level of raw evil is almost beyond my ability to comprehend. The silence and indifference of so many seems similar to the silence and indifference of those people living near Concentration Camps. It's all fine until no one is left to protect the silent when evil comes knocking on their door.

Some examples from the religion of peace today-there is a photo of a 7 year old posing with a severed head. Hamas, which spent 40% of its budget digging tunnels in Gaza has executed its tunnel diggers, and apparently killed well over 100 children after they dug them.
 
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If we can build an international coalition force to help solve Iraq's power vacuum that has filled with thugs, then fine, but we can't abdicate responsibility for the slaughter of all those people we supposedly tried to originally save. Powell said it, "you brake it, you buy it" and so it is.

Unfortunately we cannot afford any longer to just go it alone. As much as you may want to "fix" something that is broken, sometimes you just HAVE to have help to fix it. This is one of those times.
 
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All countries simply can't do it, and even if they could it wouldnt be equal, and even if it was they wont want to.

Its almost like international diplomacy is hard.

Well if they want this ISIS problem solved they are going to have to. Especially the ME countries and European countries.

Here's the thing, what do you think will happen in the world when the U.S. economy crashes and then we CAN'T do anything at all? We simply cannot go at this alone anymore. We cannot afford it any longer both in lives and money.

To be quite honest, with ISIS if it keeps getting worse and worse, the awful solution would be to turn that area into glass.
 
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No...keep 100,000 troops there and it is stable after the government has stabilized and they have the capacity and will to defend themselves. You know...like we did in Germany after the 2nd WW. There were pockets of Nazi resistance that were taking shots at US soldiers for 15 years after the war and we are STILL there today. Had we done after the 1st what we did after the 2nd, there might not have BEEN a second.

Ok, well we had over 100,000 troops there at a cost of thousands of American lives and well over a trillion dollars for nearly 10 years. So are you willing to commit them there for another 10 on the off chance that a Muslim nation cobbled together will some how get its sh*t together after we blow another trillion dollars there? Iraq isn't Germany.
 
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Well if they want this ISIS problem solved they are going to have to. Especially the ME countries and European countries.

Here's the thing, what do you think will happen in the world when the U.S. economy crashes and then we CAN'T do anything at all? We simply cannot go at this alone anymore. We cannot afford it any longer both in lives and money.

To be quite honest, with ISIS if it keeps getting worse and worse, the awful solution would be to turn that area into glass.

Why, because YOU say they have to? The UN is ****, and without strong leadership the various small nations will do nothing. THIS is why the US is so important.

Im quite libertarian on fiscal issues, but economy here WILL bite us in the ASS, and many more will die without us in the world.

Making the region glass wont work, but slowly and steadily helping to deliver these backward and hateful people from the 7th century might be a worthwhile goal.
 
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Unfortunately we cannot afford any longer to just go it alone. As much as you may want to "fix" something that is broken, sometimes you just HAVE to have help to fix it. This is one of those times.

It may very well be that we cannot afford to allow this terror group to continue to grow in power and scope. If they gain more assets and land, how long before they march into other neighboring countries, like Jordan and Kurdistan, Turkey etc? We may not be able to wait for the UN to get their act together or have them join in later.

I guarantee, if there's an affiliated terrorist attack on US soil the press and Congress will go ape bananas and send 500k troops and heavy arms, like the Kuwait invasion. Which IMO is how to fight a war and get it over with quickly, costing less money in the long run. Hell, it may even boost production enough to give the economy a kick start?

ps. I know we don't have 500k active troops to send but we could get them if needed.
 
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Why, because YOU say they have to? The UN is ****, and without strong leadership the various small nations will do nothing. THIS is why the US is so important.

Im quite libertarian on fiscal issues, but economy here WILL bite us in the ASS, and many more will die without us in the world.

It's not ME saying they have to its the reality of the situation that they have to. Eventually ISIS will be at thier doors and they WILL have to do something about it.

Sorry but we cannot afford it economically to be there in that capacity alone. If the U.S. economy crashes we can't do anything about it anyways.

Time for other countries to stand up or realize that ISIS will be at their doors.
 
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Some examples from the religion of peace today-there is a photo of a 7 year old posing with a severed head. Hamas, which spent 40% of its budget digging tunnels in Gaza has executed its tunnel diggers, and apparently killed well over 100 children after they dug them.

As you wrote, examples of Islam, and what it really is - Evil
 
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