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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

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Your post isn't "other" no matter what you claim to be. Your post is partisan garbage not grounded in fact but rather grounded emotion.

No. I posted it after looking up US Presidents on Wikipedia that broke them down by party and then did a quick scan of what wars they were in or contributed to and also from memory since I knew it was a Dem who took us into WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam and also, I served in the military during half of Reagan up to 2007, so I knew about Carter and later ones from experience.
 
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Your Republicans will continue to take time off from their August vacations to cheap-shot and back-stab the President on the world stage as they have for six years .

they ain't my Republicans... they're as usueless as your Democrats

do you seriously expect the GOP to support Obama?... really?... what ****ing planet do you live on?
 
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Yes, we know tose excuses and they were made in 2011 but you seem unfamiliar with the history.

Here it is. U.S.

This describes the situation within the Bush Administration at the time.
Some anonymous U.S. officials and specialists who follow the war have argued they believe that parts of the agreement may be circumvented and that other parts may be open to interpretation, including: the parts giving Iraqi legal jurisdiction over United States soldiers who commit crimes off base and off duty, the part requiring for US troops to obtain Iraqi permission for all military operations, and the part banning the United States from staging attacks on other countries from Iraq.[38] For example, administration officials have argued that Iraqi prosecution of U.S. soldiers could take three years, by which time the U.S. will have withdrawn from Iraq under the terms of the agreement. In the interim, U.S. troops will remain under the jurisdiction of America's Uniform Code of Military Justice. Michael E. O'Hanlon, of the Brookings Institution research group, said there are "these areas that are not as clear cut as the Iraqis would like to think."[16]

U.S. President George W. Bush hailed the passing of the agreement between the two countries. "The Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq", Bush said. He continued that "two years ago, this day seemed unlikely - but the success of the surge and the courage of the Iraqi people set the conditions for these two agreements to be negotiated and approved by the Iraqi parliament".[39]

Army planners have privately acknowledged they are examining projections that could see the number of Americans hovering between 30,000 and 50,000, but maybe as high as 70,000, for a substantial time beyond 2011. Pentagon planners say those currently counted as combat troops could be "re-missioned" and that their efforts could be redefined as training and support for the Iraqis.[40] Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen has also said "three years is a long time. Conditions could change in that period of time".[41]

In a letter to U.S. military personnel about new rules of engagement, Gen. Ray Odierno said that U.S. forces would reduce their visibility but that this does not mean "any reduction in our fundamental ability to protect ourselves". Odierno wrote that U.S. forces would coordinate "operations with the approval of the GoI (Government of Iraq), and we will conduct all operations by, with, and through the Iraqi Security Forces...Despite some adjustments to the way we conduct operations, the agreement simply reinforces transitions that are already underway, and I want to emphasize that our overarching principles remain the same", he further wrote.[42]

General Raymond Odierno said that some U.S. forces would remain at local security stations as training and mentoring teams past the June 2009 deadline specified in the status of forces agreement. In contrast, Robert Gates estimated U.S. troops will be "out of cities and populated areas" by June 30. "That's the point at which we will have turned over all 18 provinces to provincial Iraqi control", he predicted.[43] A spokesman for Odierno, Lt. Col. James Hutton, reiterated that the soldiers staying in cities would not be combat forces but rather "enablers," who would provide services such as medical care, air-traffic control and helicopter support that the Iraqis cannot perform themselves.[44] Odierno's comments sparked outrage among some Iraqi lawmakers who say the United States is paving the way for breaching the interim agreement.[45]

When asked by Charlie Rose in a PBS interview how big the American “residual” force would be in Iraq after 2011, Secretary of Defense Gates replied that although the mission would change, “my guess is that you’re looking at perhaps several tens of thousands of American troops”.[15]
Further negotiations were expected but few thought at the time that the next President would simply abandon Iraq and leave it to its own devices. It was the first time Iraq had ever had a Democracy and they just couldn't cope. Expecting it to be run like democracies with a hundred years experience behind them was simply foolish, and deadly naive.

Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'

Joe Biden | 2010 | Iraq | Achievement | Obama Administration
 
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I wouldn't call Iraq and the ballooning of the federal deficit and debt nothing .

Uh. The Dems had control of the House during much of that. The deficit was actually pretty close to being wiped out when the Dems retook the house. Also, it was necessary since Clinton left the military in such piss poor shape.
 
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Nature abhors a vacuum. You break it you buy it. Withdraw US troops and assholes like these take over. This was easily avoided. Obama reaps what he sows. Another **** up.

How, with permanent occupation? Fighting guerillas on foreign soil hasn't worked out so well, historically.
Saddam was the US's best hope for an ally in the region and they tore him down. How do you propose to fill the vacuum? Chaos is inevitable. You can't put toothpaste back into the tube and you can't impose democracy.
 
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Bush is not in office and Saddam is dead.


now what?

My call? Get out and stay out. It's unfixable.

well, that's my call too..... but it ain't gonna happen.

the US position isn't going to change.... we'll be back saving people from barbarians in no time ( we are probably already there)
Obama is not very good at decisive actions or quick thinking, but he knows the score....
all he's doing now is weighing election season politics and trying to keep his base happy... he's got to guide the narrative so he can make his party look good for the upcoming elections.

watch the media reporting.... it starts as reporting on the facts and ISIS taking **** over.... then we'll go full on into "humanitarian crisis" pieces.. they'll throw in some pieces about how the Iraqi govt can't handle thier business.
and BAM.. we'll be back over thier ****ing **** up.( it's already starting, if you haven't noticed)
 
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From your own source:

But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, “Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat… Bush and his generals clearly expected, however, that over time Washington would be able to wriggle out of the treaty and would find a way to keep a division or so in Iraq past that deadline.


The statement added that Obama and Prime Minister al-Maliki “are in full agreement about how to move forward,” suggesting that the Obama administration had no intention of opposing the decision of the al-Maliki government. Yet at Thursday’s press conference, Obama claimed his hand had been forced by an uncooperative negotiating partner.

And from the Washinton post:

President Obama took credit in 2012 for withdrawing all troops from Iraq. Today he said something different. - The Washington Post


"With regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should be a status of forces agreement," Romney told Obama as the two convened on the Lynn University campus in Boca Raton, Fla., that October evening. "That’s not true," Obama interjected. “Oh, you didn't want a status of forces agreement?” Romney asked as an argument ensued. “No,” Obama said. “What I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.”

On Thursday, Obama addressed reporters in the White House Briefing Room about Iraq’s latest crisis. “Do you wish you had left a residual force in Iraq? Any regrets about that decision in 2011?” a reporter asked. “Well, keep in mind that wasn’t a decision made by me,” Obama said. “That was a decision made by the Iraqi government.”



Woops. For Obama, Iraq was always a political issue, and now he's faced with his incompetence. Undoubtedly, many people will die because of his political calculations.



This has been expalined many times. But here we go again:

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Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

Yes, we know tose excuses and they were made in 2011 but you seem unfamiliar with the history.

Here it is. U.S.

This describes the situation within the Bush Administration at the time.
Further negotiations were expected but few thought at the time that the next President would simply abandon Iraq and leave it to its own devices. It was the first time Iraq had ever had a Democracy and they just couldn't cope. Expecting it to be run like democracies with a hundred years experience behind them was simply foolish, and deadly naive.

Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'

Joe Biden | 2010 | Iraq | Achievement | Obama Administration

Apparently you dont understand that immunity was a deal layed out by both administrations and if the Iraqi parliament didnt agree it was a no go...
 
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From your own source:

But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, “Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat… Bush and his generals clearly expected, however, that over time Washington would be able to wriggle out of the treaty and would find a way to keep a division or so in Iraq past that deadline.


The statement added that Obama and Prime Minister al-Maliki “are in full agreement about how to move forward,” suggesting that the Obama administration had no intention of opposing the decision of the al-Maliki government. Yet at Thursday’s press conference, Obama claimed his hand had been forced by an uncooperative negotiating partner.

And from the Washinton post:

President Obama took credit in 2012 for withdrawing all troops from Iraq. Today he said something different. - The Washington Post


"With regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should be a status of forces agreement," Romney told Obama as the two convened on the Lynn University campus in Boca Raton, Fla., that October evening. "That’s not true," Obama interjected. “Oh, you didn't want a status of forces agreement?” Romney asked as an argument ensued. “No,” Obama said. “What I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.”

On Thursday, Obama addressed reporters in the White House Briefing Room about Iraq’s latest crisis. “Do you wish you had left a residual force in Iraq? Any regrets about that decision in 2011?” a reporter asked. “Well, keep in mind that wasn’t a decision made by me,” Obama said. “That was a decision made by the Iraqi government.”



Woops. For Obama, Iraq was always a political issue, and now he's faced with his incompetence. Undoubtedly, many people will die because of his political calculations.

Obama has control of the Iraqi parliament :doh
 
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He doesn't even have control over his 9 iron, yet all he does is golf. Oh, and blame Bush.




Obama has control of the Iraqi parliament :doh
 
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Apparently you dont understand that immunity was a deal layed out by both administrations and if the Iraqi parliament didnt agree it was a no go...
It doesn't move the debate forward if you don''t read the links to discover what happened during that period.
 
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well there ya go people... ISIS is a US creation.... Al queda too, obvsiouly.

we should invade the US and kill all those evil terrorists creators.

:lamo

What I meant to say was that our actions, our interventions in the past are to blame for creating present day problems.
 
Re: ISIS Beheading and Crucifying Christians in Iraq

From your own source:

But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, “Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat… Bush and his generals clearly expected, however, that over time Washington would be able to wriggle out of the treaty and would find a way to keep a division or so in Iraq past that deadline.


The statement added that Obama and Prime Minister al-Maliki “are in full agreement about how to move forward,” suggesting that the Obama administration had no intention of opposing the decision of the al-Maliki government. Yet at Thursday’s press conference, Obama claimed his hand had been forced by an uncooperative negotiating partner.

And from the Washinton post:

President Obama took credit in 2012 for withdrawing all troops from Iraq. Today he said something different. - The Washington Post


"With regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should be a status of forces agreement," Romney told Obama as the two convened on the Lynn University campus in Boca Raton, Fla., that October evening. "That’s not true," Obama interjected. “Oh, you didn't want a status of forces agreement?” Romney asked as an argument ensued. “No,” Obama said. “What I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.”

On Thursday, Obama addressed reporters in the White House Briefing Room about Iraq’s latest crisis. “Do you wish you had left a residual force in Iraq? Any regrets about that decision in 2011?” a reporter asked. “Well, keep in mind that wasn’t a decision made by me,” Obama said. “That was a decision made by the Iraqi government.”



Woops. For Obama, Iraq was always a political issue, and now he's faced with his incompetence. Undoubtedly, many people will die because of his political calculations.

He is busted, plain and simple. Obama lied, innocents died.
 
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He doesn't even have control over his 9 iron, yet all he does is golf. Oh, and blame Bush.

To be fair he does fund raise a lot, and he starts his vacation tomorrow.
 
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He doesn't even have control over his 9 iron, yet all he does is golf. Oh, and blame Bush.

Hmmm so we have resorted to ad hominem's now.
 
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It doesn't move the debate forward if you don''t read the links to discover what happened during that period.

That under Iraqi constitutional bases if they wanted foreign soldiers on their soil it must be voted on by them....
 
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:lamo

What I meant to say was that our actions, our interventions in the past are to blame for creating present day problems.

reamin silent whilst i continue to yank your chain...:lol:
 
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Did you see anything else?

Yup. Both administrations wanted this and both agreed that if it couldnt be reached it was a no go. Maliki shared the view, and it could not be reached.
 
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Yup. Both administrations wanted this and both agreed that if it couldnt be reached it was a no go. Maliki shared the view, and it could not be reached.

Where did you see this?
 
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So you didn't read post 78 which shows you were in error?

I did. And it literally backs up my point. Especially your Wiki post.... Your other two links are just rhetoric politics that have no substance to the debate.
 
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Bush is not in office and Saddam is dead.


now what?

Keep blaming Bush apparently
 
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Where would be as a nation and as a world if the US hadn't eventually taken a stand?

And why is it OUR business?

France and Germany killed millions for years and we smartly stayed out............1914 to 1917.

Japan and China again killed millions and we stayed out..............1930 to 1941.

Why are you so eager to start a war with religious nut cases?
 
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