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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

Dittohead not! said:
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Obama wanted to go in and got smacked down-dropped it like it was hot.
 
Misterveritis said:
He meant ISIS will end the war in Iraq. They intend to bring the war to the US. With our open border to the South we can expect more mayhem here. Some cities, like Chicago, might not be able to tell the difference.
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It's already happening in Europe.

ISIS protesters call 'Death to Jews' in The Hague - Israel News, Ynetnews

Just more “pro-Palestinian” protests: Nazi salutes in Paris, “death to all Jews” in the Hague

Recall that The Hague is where many Europeans felt Americans should be tried for war crimes.
 
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nota bene said:
Let's see--you said, "Conservatives hate the constitution, they hate the government, they hate the president and half the country, they hate education, science and the environment, they hate women, gays, immigrants, minorities, the poor....they even hate US history and seek to change it. Conservatives hate America so much that they would rather see it fail economically and collapse from within like the USSR than to thrive under a democracy Really, there isn't much about America that conservatives do seem to like. Those that hate America as much as conservatives do deserve to live in Mississippi."

I am fairly conservative and don't hate the Constitution or education or science or the environment or gays or women or minorities or the poor, and I certainly don't hate American history. I don't know any conservatives who do.

Of course, I don't know ALL conservatives, as you do. ;)
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It's true, you're way too small of a sample size to speak or represent ALL conservatives, nota bene. Indeed, you're going to need a lot more evidence than just yourself to falsify the "Party of No" aka....

Grand
Obstructionist
Party


;)
 
cpwill said:
Hey, remember back when George W called these people "evildoers", and every one of the Intellectual Set scoffed at how un-nuanced and simplistic he was?



Anyone got a good argument for why that description does not apply to these people?
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Bush thought he was ordained by God to have a 'holy war' against 1.6 billion Muslims (23% of the world's population).....


''Just in the past few months,'' Bartlett said, ''I think a light has gone off for people who've spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do.'' Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance, went on to say: ''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them. . . . "
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?_r=0


Muslims all over the world became a lot more radicalized after Bush's holey war against "evil doers" than they were before. But then, so did a lot of Americans.
 
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Moot said:
Bush thought he was ordained by God to have a 'holy war' against 1.6 billion Muslims (23% of the world's population).....


''Just in the past few months,'' Bartlett said, ''I think a light has gone off for people who've spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do.'' Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance, went on to say: ''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them. . . . "
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?_r=0


Muslims all over the world became a lot more radicalized after Bush's holey war against "evil doers" than they were before. But then, so did a lot of Americans.
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Bruce Bartlett is a butthurt former Republican and current denizen of Salon.com who was never close to Bush or his cabinet. He has no special insight into the President and there remains no reason to believe that Bush conceived of our campaign as a 'Holy War'.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Obama wanted to go in, but was smacked down, or
Obama went in, and now the weapons are in the hands of ISIS...


which?
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Covertly we were in nearly from the beginning with arms and training that's now being used to terrorise Iraq too! This is what China and Russia warned US interference in Syria would cause.
 
Montecresto said:
Covertly we were in nearly from the beginning with arms and training that's now being used to terrorise Iraq too! This is what China and Russia warned US interference in Syria would cause.
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So, what was the right thing to have done in Syria?
 
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DVSentinel said:
This kind of **** needs to stop. It is time for us to organize and arm a Christian army to put a stop to this crap everywhere.

I have an AR and a few hundred rounds of ammo, where do we meet up?
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I wholeheartedly agree. I think all of the religious in the world should arm up and head to the middle east so they can battle it out thunderdome style.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, what was the right thing to have done in Syria?
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Well, US support as well as Saudi support to the rebels gave them the strength to hang on and grow and effectively challenge president Assad. Had there been no support, president Assad would have crushed that rebellion early on. There wouldn't be 160,000 dead civilians, nor would IS (formerly ISIS) be wrecking havoc in Iraq right now, which is why, as I already said, Russia and China warned us of exactly what we are seeing today. In fact its clear that in one fashion or another, decades of support of militant Islamists along with the removal of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and the attempted removal of Assad has the ME in such trouble now.
 
Montecresto said:
Well, US support as well as Saudi support to the rebels gave them the strength to hang on and grow and effectively challenge president Assad. Had there been no support, president Assad would have crushed that rebellion early on. There wouldn't be 160,000 dead civilians, nor would IS (formerly ISIS) be wrecking havoc in Iraq right now, which is why, as I already said, Russia and China warned us of exactly what we are seeing today. In fact its clear that in one fashion or another, decades of support of militant Islamists along with the removal of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and the attempted removal of Assad has the ME in such trouble now.
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Aren't you worried about being called a "hate America first" liberal?
 
Montecresto said:
You big kidder you, haven't you seen that label thrown at me plenty already.
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Yep. It gets thrown at anyone who dares to suggest that perhaps, just maybe, our foreign policy in the ME is actually making things worse, that we should have stayed out of Iraq, as well as Syria. A few extreme America haters have even suggested that maybe arming the Mujahadeen was the wrong thing to do.

Go figure. Us peacenicks are really way out there, at least according to rant radio.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yep. It gets thrown at anyone who dares to suggest that perhaps, just maybe, our foreign policy in the ME is actually making things worse, that we should have stayed out of Iraq, as well as Syria. A few extreme America haters have even suggested that maybe arming the Mujahadeen was the wrong thing to do.

Go figure. Us peacenicks are really way out there, at least according to rant radio.
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Too true. Don't know how RA's quote got thrown in there, and its too late to edit it out, lol.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I wholeheartedly agree. I think all of the religious in the world should arm up and head to the middle east so they can battle it out thunderdome style.
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What do you know, someone else had the same idea, even designated a battle sight for it. A place in old Israel called Armageddon.
 
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DVSentinel said:
What do you know, someone else had the same idea, even designated a battle sight for it. A place in old Israel called Armageddon.
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If you think about it, it's a great idea. All of these people claim their religion is right, well now we can finally find out whose is.
 
Moot said:
Bush thought he was ordained by God to have a 'holy war' against 1.6 billion Muslims (23% of the world's population).....
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That is false.

It's amazing how many poorly informed leftists there are! But would they be Leftists otherwise?
 
Sherman123 said:
Bruce Bartlett is a butthurt former Republican and current denizen of Salon.com who was never close to Bush or his cabinet. He has no special insight into the President and there remains no reason to believe that Bush conceived of our campaign as a 'Holy War'.
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It's amusing that anyone would quote a third party to substantiate a claim, rather than going to the person who they said made the claim.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
If you think about it, it's a great idea. All of these people claim their religion is right, well now we can finally find out whose is.
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I'd rather see a prayer battle. Let the Muslims pray for the return of the 12th. Imam, and the Christians pray for the second coming. Whoever's guy comes back first wins.

Even if the battle lasts a thousand years, no one is being killed and it will keep the religious extremists occupied. It would be a win-win.
 
Moot said:
Bush thought he was ordained by God to have a 'holy war' against 1.6 billion Muslims (23% of the world's population).....
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I would point out to that that is not only false, but ridiculously, patently, idiotically false; right up there with claims that Obama is some kind of Muslim agent sent to destroy America.....

.....but you are probably fairly immune to logic on this point. Bush-dementia is powerful on the left.

Muslims all over the world became a lot more radicalized after Bush's holey war against "evil doers" than they were before. But then, so did a lot of Americans.
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:) Actually America became less popular under the Obama administration than we were under Bush. But you are right about the Americans.


But I couldn't help but notice that you didn't answer the question? :)
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I'd rather see a prayer battle. Let the Muslims pray for the return of the 12th. Imam, and the Christians pray for the second coming. Whoever's guy comes back first wins.
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Actually even according to Christianity, their guy comes back first.
 
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cpwill said:
Actually even according to Christianity, their guy comes back first.
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Did I understand that right? The Muslims' guy comes back?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Did I understand that right? The Muslims' guy comes back?
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Sort of. There is an extent to which you can read the eschatology of Islam and Christianity as the same story told from two different sides. In Islam, the last Imam comes back, unifies the Umma, and leads them in taking over the world as a Powerful Leader of Peace Etc. So on and So Forth. In Christianity, in the last days, a guy will rise up and unify the world as a Powerful Leader of Peace Etc. so on and So Forth, and will then be overthrown by the return of Christ.
 
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