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Christian Leader: ISIS is Beheading Children[W:131]

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Erod said:
How many millennia have to pass before we get tired of waiting on this part of the world to grow up?
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And what do you suggest, do what Anne Coulter wants and invade them and "turn" them Christians? What is YOUR suggestion?
 
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TheNextEra said:
And what do you suggest, do what Anne Coulter wants and invade them and "turn" them Christians? What is YOUR suggestion?
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I have no suggestion. Short of carpet bombing the entire region with nukes, there is no solution. We won't, as we shouldn't, and none of this will ever change. This is merely the beginning of a mess we can't fathom.

And with the global digital world, the complexity of weaponry, our complete lack of border control, and the paralyzing of our nation to act on anything, it is just a matter of time before this thing is brought home to a level that we have never seen here.

I'm just saying, get ready. Dark times loom ahead.
 
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TheNextEra said:
So when the bible tells people to stone others, I guess that is the fualt of the religion then right? Remember not all people believe or follow the New Testament.
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Where does it say to stone people in the New Testament? Didn’t Jesus kind of put an end to that?

Maybe you’re thinking of the Old Testament? But, sorry, that only applied to Old Testament Jews in Old Testament times. Doesn’t apply now.

TheNextEra said:
I think you just hate Muslims.
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Fair’s fair! They wanted to kill me first.
 
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The Baron said:


Where does it say to stone people in the New Testament? Didn’t Jesus kind of put an end to that?

Maybe you’re thinking of the Old Testament? But, sorry, that only applied to Old Testament Jews in Old Testament times. Doesn’t apply now.
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Not everyone follows the NEW Testament.

Fair’s fair! They wanted to kill me first.
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You'll have to show me where my Neighbor is wanting to kill you.
 
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DVSentinel said:
You get what you earned for yourself. Want more, make yourself more valuable. Get educated in a marketable skill.

Minimum wage is a living wage. It is not a living wage at the lifestyle you think you should have. If you live in a flop house with 30 other people with a shared bathroom, eat a communal kitchen and don't have healthcare, tough ****, that is all you earn for yourself. The problem is not society. It is not Corporations. It is those workers who are too lazy and too stupid to do better.

CEOs have much greater responsibility and affect the profitability of a company far more than a minimum wage worker ever could. Good CEOs are hard to find and costly to obtain. Minimum wage workers are a dime a dozen and easily replaced without anyone but them even noticing.

The big difference between you and those being beheaded in Iraq for being Christian is that you have had a plethora of opportunity to improve your own life but choose not to take them and they have had no opportunities to improve their lot in life.
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Last offer for my skills, degree and 10 years min of experience was $12hr as a IC?

Why get your "skills" when it pays LESS THAN MIN wage?

The rest is just a poster for revolution.
 
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DDD said:
What they need is the rennesaince period. Someone to enlighten them to the civilized times that we live today.

The first challenge is to not respond as barbarically however tempting it may be (e.g., Israel in Gaza) for they may be more immune to that. The second challenge is to influence their growth into our civilized times by avoiding reactance (i.e., their fears of changing their culture).
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Well, America has tried shoving democracy down the throats of people in different countries for a long time now, and it hasn't worked out too well for us, it keeps biting us in the rump.
 
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Frodly said:
I can tell you that I do not get my information from the mainstream media. I live and work in the Middle East and I have contacts all over the region. Most of the media scare mongering over things happening their is orientalist nonsense. However, if anything they are downplaying just how horrific ISIS is. They are also not like Asad, Saddam Hussein, or Qaddafi. Those men are/were interested in only protecting and furthering their own power and wealth. They did horrible things to ensure that, but their ambitions were limited. The Islamic State on the other hand has no limitations on their ambitions. They want to establish a global caliphate. These are dangerous and evil men, and people are right to fear them.
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That maybe so, but that's irrelevant.

The relevant issue is whether every single individual/group that the US mainstream media claims is affiliated with or supports ISIS actually does support it. And that's likely false.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Well, America has tried shoving democracy down the throats of people in different countries for a long time now, and it hasn't worked out too well for us, it keeps biting us in the rump.
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America (i. e. the People) have no power.

And the US government has never attempted to create democracy anywhere; it's recent interventions in the world demonstrate a harsh contempt for democracy, in favor of rulers (elected in compromised elections or otherwise) that are friendly to US oil and mining interests. The gov't merely claims that those interventions were to foster democracy as a ruse.
 
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Erod said:
How many millennia have to pass before we get tired of waiting on this part of the world to grow up?
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Conservatives should grow up in about 18 millenia, i. e. in the year 18645, conservatives will understand such grown-up words like "propoganda", "ruse", etc.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Those people surely are barbaric, they don't fight a normal fight. Every time I hear beheading, it makes my skin crawl.
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That's the conservative motto:

It is more humane to bomb children from airplanes than to behead them
 
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solletica said:
That's the conservative motto:

It is more humane to bomb children from airplanes than to behead them
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It's supposed to be termed collateral damage. It's not just conservatives either.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Well, America has tried shoving democracy down the throats of people in different countries for a long time now, and it hasn't worked out too well for us, it keeps biting us in the rump.
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Perhaps you missed calculating cross-cultural differences?
 
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AJiveMan said:
It's supposed to be termed collateral damage. It's not just conservatives either.
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Collateral damage is unintended, sporadic, and rare. What is still happening in Gaza is intended, continuous, and plentiful.
 
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DDD said:
Perhaps you missed calculating cross-cultural differences?
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Possibly. I do know America had been meddling in other countries affairs for as long as I can recall, trying to shove their points of view into every foreign government they've become entangled with. America install new leaders after toppling old ones, and they're actually no better than the ones they took out.

When someone says cross cultural differences, I see Afghan men selling or trading their female children and wives for herds of animals, this still occurs to this very day. America should step back away and avoid involvement in third world nations, we are supposed to be more civilized that those, but, America probably is a world leader when it comes to terrorism. So in reality, America is probably no better than those dismembering people.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
I think we've had this discussion before Monte, but I think at this point, we can safely assume that this isn't a "tiny minority" we're talking about. After all, how many people do you think are in that Quran burning, funeral protesting church anyways? 50? 100? Isis literally has an army that is ready to kill. That's not counting all those that support them all over the middle east.
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Of the 1.5 billion, its a tiny minority, sorry. That said, US policies in the Middle East have certainly been a good recruiting tool.
 
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The Baron said:


Where does it say to stone people in the New Testament? Didn’t Jesus kind of put an end to that?

Maybe you’re thinking of the Old Testament? But, sorry, that only applied to Old Testament Jews in Old Testament times. Doesn’t apply now.



Fair’s fair! They wanted to kill me first.
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Stop supporting interfering US policies responsible for the deaths of so many and they want want to kill you.
 
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AJiveMan said:
It's supposed to be termed collateral damage. It's not just conservatives either.
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Which is a condescending term.
 
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Montecresto said:
Which is a condescending term.
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Largely used when MSM reports innocent people killed in war and conflicts. It's a term used to marginalize death and destruction.
 
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solletica said:
Conservatives should grow up in about 18 millenia, i. e. in the year 18645, conservatives will understand such grown-up words like "propoganda", "ruse", etc.
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Yes, that whole "take care of your family, stay married, and go to work everyday" mantra is so childish. We should just smoke weed, take a bath once a week, and impregnate anything that moves like the liberals, and all will the nation's problems will heal.
 
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TobyOne said:
These are the guys that Al Qaeda considers too extreme. What did Obama think would happen if he withdrew? What an ass.
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They haven't beheaded anybody here. No U.S. causalities...here or in Iraq. We need to be completely out of the region. Screw the oil. We have a lot of other resources.

Extremism works. 9-11 proved that. BUT...we can't control that region without military actions taken that are far beyond the past. That means having no mercy on civilians in several countries in the Middle East - and pound them with 10 times the force and resources than in the past. WHERE'S THE MONEY? WHO's GOT OUR BACK?

There is no payback for our ever being there. We'll never recover the loss of lives and treasure that was spent over the last 10 years. We would only incur more loss in lives and treasure. That's a fact.

That ain't our job. If they come knocking...we'll kick some ass.

We've spent a $trillion plus in the middle east and thousands of American lives over, dead, families here in America damaged till the end of their days. Tens of thousands injured in combat that will require billions to provide medical and other service for many, many years to come.

Investing a $Trillion dollars here...in our defense systems.... "around America"...we could stop the second coming of Christ. And far less deaths and injuries would occur. Plus...we build the economy. After all, American's been living on a War Economy for a long, long time. Do it here...not there.

They invited us over in 2001. 13 years later...WATCH TV if you don't know the outcome of our being there for the last decade, plus.

It's as insane as ever. Actually more insane in the Middle East today than ever. And it's not because we moved out of Iraq.

But --- don't let any of this stop you from heading that way. Mercenaries are always welcomed.
 
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Montecresto said:
Stop supporting interfering US policies responsible for the deaths of so many…
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So them killing innocent people because they are not Muslim, cutting the heads off of Jews because they are not Muslim, sending rockets into Israeli schools and hospitals for any number of reasons, cutting off the heads of children because they’re not Muslim, cutting off the vagina’s of girls because they’re female, shooting little girls in the back because they did not bother to cover their hair as they ran out of a school that was on fire, killing your Muslim daughter because she was raped by Muslims, walking into street markets filled with innocent women and children and then blowing yourself up and--my favorite--hijacking jets and flying them into towers like missiles killing thousands…

…yea, that’s my fault.

Montecresto said:
…and they want want to kill you.
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Yes, I know know they do.

That’s hardly news.
 
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The Baron said:


Imagine that!



Do you live in the Middle East?
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Are Muslims only in the Middle East? Because you mentioned the religion which includes EVERYWHERE not just the Middle East.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Because you mentioned the religion which includes EVERYWHERE not just the Middle East.
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Because the Middle East is where we seem to be having most of the problems with these people who belong to the religion of peace.

Heck, I'll even point you back to the OP as evidence.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Well, America has tried shoving democracy down the throats of people in different countries for a long time now, and it hasn't worked out too well for us, it keeps biting us in the rump.
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In fact there have been many democracies the USA has helped preserve and initiate. If you were familiar with post WWII history you would not make that claim. Other countries, such as South Korea, can also be grateful.
 
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