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#LivetheWage

apdst said:
At a minimum, it's getting off the porch and going to work. I'm fixin' to pull out the driveway, soon as I post this.
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Wow! Take a break from the career track and remember to smell the roses!
 
apdst said:
People in the lowest income bracket get it all back, but that doesn't answer my question.
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And that doesn't help any of those people during October, for example. The fallacy of your comments is that waiting for that money in April, doesn't mean anything. It still gets taken out every week.

Btw... you responded EXACTLY as I thought you would.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
And that doesn't help any of those people during October, for example. The fallacy of your comments is that waiting for that money in April, doesn't mean anything. It still gets taken out every week.

Btw... you responded EXACTLY as I thought you would.
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You don't have any idea what Sangha is talking about, so why don't you butt out?
 
apdst said:
You don't have any idea what Sangha is talking about, so why don't you butt out?
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No, I don't think I will. You tell me, was there anything in my post that was incorrect?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I don't think I will. You tell me, was there anything in my post that was incorrect?
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I'm not going to either.

I have no interest in trying to change the opinion of someone who's opinion is not subject to change. Instead, I use them to demonstrate to others how such intransigence leads people either ignore or dismiss the facts
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
And that doesn't help any of those people during October, for example. The fallacy of your comments is that waiting for that money in April, doesn't mean anything. It still gets taken out every week.

Btw... you responded EXACTLY as I thought you would.
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Other than payroll taxes there is no reason for taxes to come out of your paycheck if you are minimum wage and properly fill out your W-4( I think that is the form).
 
washunut said:
Other than payroll taxes there is no reason for taxes to come out of your paycheck if you are minimum wage and properly fill out your W-4( I think that is the form).
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I'm pretty sure that payroll taxes are taxes.
 
washunut said:
Other than payroll taxes there is no reason for taxes to come out of your paycheck if you are minimum wage and properly fill out your W-4( I think that is the form).
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That's true. Federal and state taxes come out.
 
sangha said:
I'm pretty sure that payroll taxes are taxes.
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Some people (those who want to label social security and medicare entitlements) call these taxes, I call them forced retirement (and disability) funding.
 
sangha said:
That 63% figure applies to people who makes as much as $9.50/hour. Now, in your world, is $9.50/hr the same as minimum wage? Or more than minimum wage?
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That's a fair point. Let's see what Pew has to say:

Pew said:
...Perhaps surprisingly, not very many people earn minimum wage, and they make up a smaller share of the workforce than they used to. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, last year 1.566 million hourly workers earned the federal minimum of $7.25 an hour; nearly two million more earned less than that because they fell under one of several exemptions (tipped employees, full-time students, certain disabled workers and others), for a total of 3.55 million hourly workers at or below the federal minimum.

That group represents 4.7% of the nation’s 75.3 million hourly-paid workers and 2.8% of all workers. In 1979, when the BLS began regularly studying minimum-wage workers, they represented 13.4% of hourly workers and 7.9% of all wage and salary workers. ...

Disproportionately young: 50.6% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).
Mostly (78%) white; fully half are white women.
Largely part-time workers (64% of the total)....
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Yup. That looks pretty solidly second-and-third-job correlated, with relatively small trying-to-raise-a-family-on-a-single-income going on.



You are still wrong. For many of those people, there are *no* programs to help them pay for all of the things that were mentioned.
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On the contrary - I am still correct. There are a slew of things to help our poor, frankly, it's idiotic how much we are spending on administration.
 
sangha said:
I'm pretty sure that payroll taxes are taxes.
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your payroll taxes are more than refunded when you get your check at the end of the year, if you are that low income. As a junior enlisted member of the military, I think there was only two years in which I paid net taxes out of 8. One of those was because of my reenlistment bonus, and the other was because I was foolish enough to invest in American businesses and make a return, for which I must be punished.
 
cpwill said:
That's a fair point. Let's see what Pew has to say:



Yup. That looks pretty solidly second-and-third-job correlated, with relatively small trying-to-raise-a-family-on-a-single-income going on.
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This link says nothing about it being second and third job correlated.

I'd say "try again", but I'm already bored with your repeated fails
 
sangha said:
And they didn't call those taxes weekly expenses

They called them "taxes"
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Earlier, you mentioned taxes as being expenses. What taxes do you mean, then?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
All of whom don't have to pay for housing and equipment.
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Of course they do. But thats not really relevant as the article suggested rent was already included in the calculations.

Minimum wage jobs are just that. Supplemental income jobs, jobs for high school kids and college kids working to earn a few bucks. They are not and have never been meant to provide wages sufficient to provide for a family, nor should they. Perhaps if people really cared about those things there would be a greater emphasis on creating more industry and real middle income jobs, not trying to fix the economy and employment situation by a career as a fry cook.

 
Redress said:
She has sweet potato and baked beans on the menu. It is horrible.

And more seriously, it is almost impossible to judge just from the menu. Serving size is just one variable that is not listed but would need to be to really judge.
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Sweet potato's and baked beans are awesome, you damned yankee!
 
cpwill said:
your payroll taxes are more than refunded when you get your check at the end of the year, if you are that low income. As a junior enlisted member of the military, I think there was only two years in which I paid net taxes out of 8. One of those was because of my reenlistment bonus, and the other was because I was foolish enough to invest in American businesses and make a return, for which I must be punished.
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As I said to apdst, that really doesn't matter. Getting one check in April doesn't help in October.
 
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