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#LivetheWage

What's amusing is she thinks her menu is horrible. LOL!

That's what I think too. She wouldn't starve on that, and that's what probably most Americans eat anyway.

I guess I don't get what she's doing, and why?
 
Jan Schakowsky, a Congressional member, is beginning her "Live the Wage" menu where she pretends she makes minimum wage and can only eat as much as she can afford. Here is her first menu:

RE https://twitter.com/janschakowsky/status/492378179966078976

Looks like a normal menu to me. Three meals a day with snacks. No one's starving with that menu.

Sounds good to me. I think I will go catch a chicken sandwich myself.
 
Jan Schakowsky, a Congressional member, is beginning her "Live the Wage" menu where she pretends she makes minimum wage and can only eat as much as she can afford. Here is her first menu:

RE https://twitter.com/janschakowsky/status/492378179966078976

Looks like a normal menu to me. Three meals a day with snacks. No one's starving with that menu.

What? No COFFEE in the morning....I couldn't do did it, skip a meal and give me coffee instead, lol

But really, I suppose she is drinking tap water this week.
 
That's what I think too. She wouldn't starve on that, and that's what probably most Americans eat anyway.

I guess I don't get what she's doing, and why?

She's eating like a "poor" person.
 
The "poor" people seem to get fat in this country eating bags of Cheetos, boxes of Twinkies and off the Dollar Menu.

That menu she showed looks like something the McWealthy with a common sense diet would eat.
 
Assuming 3 meals per day, that works out to 38 cents per meal. What are you feeding your kids?

three meals a day? Well la dee dah mister moneybags here sure feeds his kids a lot.
 
They figured 77 dollars after taxes and housing, so that is what they get for the week. Source I found did not go into details on how they arrived at that number.

Yeah. And that's a major problem, here.

I've lived on the equivalent of America's new minimum wage. I was so tight with my money I used to get teased about it. Seriously, I could make a dollar last for days. I had the cheapest living accommodations that were even marginally livable, I had no extras -- my phone often had no credit on it -- and I never bought anything. Instead, I mended my clothes repeatedly until they just wouldn't take another pass. When my shoes gave out beyond my ability to mend, it took me a couple weeks to put together the money to get the cheapest pair I could find that would somewhat serve my needs. I never really ate meals so much as I ate ingredients, because I couldn't afford enough diversity of food to put a meal together. I lived on bread and rice.

I never had $77 left over for food and life. Ever.

You can't just multiply by 40 and assume that's what you're gonna have. It's not.

First of all, a lot of people working minimum wage rarely have stable hours. I might have had 50 hours one week, and then 20 the next. So your realistic income is unpredictable.

Second, the cost of being poor is high and unstable. Because you have to skimp on everything, you experience failures more often, and have unexpected expenses more often. You bought a cheap car, so you have constant break-downs. You got cheap shoes, so they wear out quickly. You got cheap everything, so everything breaks all the time.

Third, a lot of these people are working multiple jobs to try to make ends meet. Often 7 days a week at unpredictable and conflicting parts of the day. A lot of people develop exhaustion, and what would ordinarily be minor health problems tend to plague the poor -- dental issues, repetitive stress problems, etc -- and they put off treating it until it's becoming catastrophic, because they either can't afford the treatment, or can't afford the time off. When they finally can't function anymore and have to do something about it, the black hole of debt comes to meet them because they mostly likely don't get sufficient health coverage, and they lose a lot of hours (I was fortunate not to experience this one -- I was in a place with public health care at the time).

In reality, being poor is incredibly expensive. It was way more expensive to be poor than it is to be well-off.

Now, I can afford to buy quality things, so things rarely break, and if they do, I can replace them quickly. My hours are predictable. I'm able to take time off if I need it. I'm able to have a normal sleep schedule and unwinding time and sufficient amounts of high quality food, none of which I had on minimum wage, so my body breaks less as well.

They need to be in it before they can say what their budget will be, and they could if they wanted to -- do it for real in a rented room for a month. She's choosing not to. Oh, no, you might inconvenience yourself! Pity. If you really want to understand, then do it for real. This is an empty gesture.

She has no idea what it's really like, and while she may think having to put a couple items back in the store is "horrible," she should try the reality of the expense of being poor. Forget having to put some stuff back -- in reality, our minimum wage pushes you so close to the red line that you won't need a cart at all. Everything you can afford will fit in your arms.

The truth is, people stuck in minimum wage are not all teenagers and college students. In an economy where much of the country is still mired in unemployment, older people are having to live on it as well. Some of them have no choice, even though their skills would bring them more money if they could find any opportunity to utilize them. And not all of them can afford to abuse their bodies and ride out the storm like I did -- they're older, or have kids, or whatever.
 
What she hasn't considered is the staples it takes for these meals.

Milk - for the cereal
Butter or Jam for the muffin if so desired
Mayo
Mustard
Bread or Buns for the Chicken sandwich and hotdogs (or use the english muffins)
Salad Dressing

And if she wants any kind of flavor in her egg and chicken salad she'll need onions and celery

Things start to add up quickly
 
If she needs any pointers I would be happy to assist her. $77 a week would be luxurious in comparison to what I have. After rent and utilities (a friend pays my Internet so I can communicate with him) I live on $60 or less per month. Id like to see her try eating on < $1.50 a day and see how she coped.

I do not believe these people can truly appreciate the hardships that people in poverty live with. Living it for a week will not give an accurate portrayal of what it is really like. I can cope with almost anything for a week but let me tell you when you can only afford a handful of foods and you eat the the same things every day for years it is a much different experience. Gosh how I would love to have a cheeseburger or a steak again lol. Also living with the knowledge that if your car breaks down or your shoes wear out that you will be going even hungrier for weeks or months so that you can fix/replace these things, that adds a tremendous amount of stress into your life.
 
Throw in just one health emergency or car breakdown and bam, you're toast. There's also the awesome bank overdraft fee circle cluster**** that every poor person is intimately familiar with.

Great point.
 
Assuming 3 meals per day, that works out to 38 cents per meal. What are you feeding your kids?

Bah, I hate it when the forum isn't working correctly, it kept crashing when I was trying to post a reply. Anyhow, I made a mistake, I said $132-138 a month, I meant a week. My bad.
 
Bah, I hate it when the forum isn't working correctly, it kept crashing when I was trying to post a reply. Anyhow, I made a mistake, I said $132-138 a month, I meant a week. My bad.

**** I need to call CPS back...
 
If she needs any pointers I would be happy to assist her. $77 a week would be luxurious in comparison to what I have. After rent and utilities (a friend pays my Internet so I can communicate with him) I live on $60 or less per month. Id like to see her try eating on < $1.50 a day and see how she coped.

I do not believe these people can truly appreciate the hardships that people in poverty live with. Living it for a week will not give an accurate portrayal of what it is really like. I can cope with almost anything for a week but let me tell you when you can only afford a handful of foods and you eat the the same things every day for years it is a much different experience. Gosh how I would love to have a cheeseburger or a steak again lol. Also living with the knowledge that if your car breaks down or your shoes wear out that you will be going even hungrier for weeks or months so that you can fix/replace these things, that adds a tremendous amount of stress into your life.

Been there, done that.

Heck there was time I lived in the back of my truck. I took action to improve my situation. Didn't happen over night. But eventually I had a good career and could retire.
Took over 4 fours after college to land a permanent job. Some how I stayed out of debt by living within my means. Yes, it’s a tough life on low wages. Yet it can be done. Never considered myself poor even back then.
 
three meals a day? Well la dee dah mister moneybags here sure feeds his kids a lot.

The other thing that people need to consider is that people making that little, their kids typically are fed by the schools, both breakfast and lunch, therefore reducing the amount of money, at least on school days, that they need to worry about. Just something else to think about.
 
Been there, done that.

Heck there was time I lived in the back of my truck. I took action to improve my situation. Didn't happen over night. But eventually I had a good career and could retire.
Took over 4 fours after college to land a permanent job. Some how I stayed out of debt by living within my means. Yes, it’s a tough life on low wages. Yet it can be done. Never considered myself poor even back then.

People really have to get out there and work hard and make something of themselves. I haven't had a minimum wage job since I was 16. I worked my ass off and got the maximum raises that I was ever up for, I got promoted in every job I ever had and by the time I was 18, the company I worked for was itching for me to move up into management and I've never done less since. The idea that anyone out there ought to be living on a minimum wage job for long, or trying to raise a family on one except in extreme economic downturns, is absurd. People are just doing it wrong.
 
Behold...the life of the college student. Or your typical single soldier. Or an oil rig worker making 25 an hour.

All of whom don't have to pay for housing and equipment.
 
Your first link doesn't support your first claim.

Well, let's see if we can do this step by step.

sangha said:
cpwill said:
5. The fact that minimum wage earners tend to be the second or third incomes in a household.
I've seen no evidence that either one of those is true
cpwill said:

Your first link doesn't support your first claim

Now, in your world, would you say that 63% is greater than half? Or less than half?

2) The fact that there are a lot of public assistance programs does not mean that they are all available to those who earn minimum wage

you are correct. some of them are available (for example), only to those who the minimum wage has made unemployable.

However, you are creating a strawman, since I did not argue that there were precisely 126 programs designed to help those who were poor, but rather:

cpwill said:
An endless array of government programs providing support to those who are not.

Which agreeably isn't to be taken literally to mean "infinite", but rather "ridiculously many".
 
Thanks, but while the list in and of itself seems innocuous enough, I'd be a lot more sold on it if it included the prices. Crunching the numbers is the reality of putting together an affordable shopping list, and excluding them, especially when you add a politician and a publicity stunt into the mix, makes it look fishy.

Well if you click on #livethewage everything looked very cheap and filled with chemicals. Eating these constantly inevitably leads to ----> medical expenses in the future, everyone here is kind of right, this whole thing was rather idiotic, I can't even tell the whole point of the thread.
 
Well, let's see if we can do this step by step.



Now, in your world, would you say that 63% is greater than half? Or less than half?

That 63% figure applies to people who makes as much as $9.50/hour. Now, in your world, is $9.50/hr the same as minimum wage? Or more than minimum wage?


you are correct. some of them are available (for example), only to those who the minimum wage has made unemployable.

However, you are creating a strawman, since I did not argue that there were precisely 126 programs designed to help those who were poor, but rather:



Which agreeably isn't to be taken literally to mean "infinite", but rather "ridiculously many".

You are still wrong. For many of those people, there are *no* programs to help them pay for all of the things that were mentioned.
 
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