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80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched [W:700]

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rcart76 said:
And you bring up a interesting point. If those robbing were cold blooded like the old man. That guy would be here today taking "great joy" in killing the lady. So where exactly was her willingness to kill?
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Holy ****! You are talking about a difference between a deliberate criminal and the victim reacting. :doh
The two aren't even on the same page, let alone in the same book.
 
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Excon said:
Bs!
You are talking about a criminal who is not believable. Of course they are going to lie and plead.
There was no reason to care about her or anything she said at all.
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While reading your post, I couldn't help but laugh when I saw your signature. It totally conflicts with your argument thoughout this thread.
 
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rcart76 said:
While reading your post, I couldn't help but laugh when I saw your signature. It totally conflicts with your argument thoughout this thread.
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No it doesn't.

You obviously are assuming as you certainly haven't read my stated position.


But way to deflect from answering to what you quoted.
 
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Excon said:
Holy ****! You are talking about a difference between a deliberate criminal and the victim reacting. :doh
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What part of my statement is not fact? You said she had a willingness to kill.

Please explain.
 
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rcart76 said:
And you bring up a interesting point. If those robbing were cold blooded like the old man. That guy would be here today taking "great joy" in killing the lady. So where exactly was her willingness to kill?
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I'm guessing when she and her partner forced their way in and started beating the crap out of the guy. Rather shocked you would excuse that.
 
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rcart76 said:
What part of my statement is not fact? You said she had a willingness to kill.

Please explain.
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I said what?
 
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ocean515 said:
I'm guessing when she and her partner forced their way in and started beating the crap out of the guy. Rather shocked you would excuse that.
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Exactly what am I being accuse of excusing?
 
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rcart76 said:
You are right. It is worse. We are talking about a woman whom was not confirm if she was pregnant or not begging for her life !!!!!!
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Tough. Too bad. Don't commit crime. Stay in school, drugs are bad don't be stupid and if you are better be tough. I don't care about her.
 
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Excon said:
I said what?
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My apologies. I had your statements mix up with ocean515. I'm trying to reply back to both of you at the same time :D
 
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Texmex said:
He committed manslaughter or murder. I know bad-asses like you :roll: hate to miss an opportunity to kill someone, but if I were on the jury, this old man would be convicted of at least voluntary manslaughter.

I realize it's easy for drug-store cowboys to fantasize about being a tough guy, but you need to realize it's mostly BS.
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Tougher than you any day, and will be when I am 80 as well.
 
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ocean515 said:
You seem to be questioning her willingness to kill.
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Huh? If she had a willingness to kill, that old man would have been toast.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Tough. Too bad. Don't commit crime. Stay in school, drugs are bad don't be stupid and if you are better be tough. I don't care about her.
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You Floridians are amazing.....
 
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rcart76 said:
Huh? If she had a willingness to kill, that old man would have been toast.
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Oh it's quite clear she and her partner did. It just seems he was just a faster draw. Sucks to be a tweaker jonesing for an armed mans property.
 
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rcart76 said:
Huh? If she had a willingness to kill, that old man would have been toast.
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You do not know that.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Tougher than you any day, and will be when I am 80 as well.
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Gorilla's are tougher than me also. In fact, with all your chest-beating and bravado, you kind of remind me of an ape.
 
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Texmex said:
Gorilla's are tougher than me also. In fact, with all your chest-beating and bravado, you kind of remind me of an ape.
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Well, you really got me there. Gee, I feel so bad for her now. NOT.
 
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ocean515 said:
Oh it's quite clear she and her partner did. It just seems he was just a faster draw. Sucks to be a tweaker jonesing for an armed mans property.
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80-year-old Tom Greer returned home to find a man and a woman robbing his house. “I walked in on them,” Greer told KNBC. “And they jumped on me in the hallway.” He claims he was tackled and thrown to the ground, but managed to grab his trusty .22-caliber revolver and confront them as they attempted to pillage his safe.

When the duo saw Greer’s gun, they ran out of the house and down an alley. “I come back and they see me with a gun, and they run,” he said.
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Lets look at the evidence

They jumped him in the hallway threw him down and refocus on the safe. Notice the part where he said "I come back". That means that they appartrently was thinking too much of him which gave him time to get his gun. So again where was their willingness to kill?

This sounds like a standard botch robbery of two criminal just wanting to come up.
 
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rcart76 said:
Lets look at the evidence

They jumped him in the hallway threw him down and refocus on the safe. Notice the part where he said "I come back". That means that they appartrently was thinking too much of him which gave him time to get his gun. So again where was their willingness to kill?

This sounds like a standard botch robbery of two criminal just wanting to come up.
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Bad planning on their part.
 
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rcart76 said:
Lets look at the evidence

They jumped him in the hallway threw him down and refocus on the safe. Notice the part where he said "I come back". That means that they appartrently was thinking too much of him which gave him time to get his gun. So again where was their willingness to kill?

This sounds like a standard botch robbery of two criminal just wanting to come up.
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Right, as we all know, every 80 year old can be easily thrown to the ground without any harm, ever.

Again, all I can write is "Sucks to be a tweaker jonesing for an armed mans property." End of story.
 
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rcart76 said:
So again where was their willingness to kill?
This sounds like a standard botch robbery of two criminal just wanting to come up.
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Wtf?
Throwing an eighty year-old down and beating on him, sure sounds like a disregard for life if you ask me, as those things can kill an eighty year-old.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
You should be allowed to shoot somebody if they just attacked you regardless of whether they are running away or not...
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Perhaps that has been found to be too large of a loophole.
We should carefully consider the full impact of changing legal theories which have been around for centuries.
Not all of our traditions got to be the way they are by arbitrary accident--legal traditions in particular have had a great deal of thought and discussion put into them.

Making it okay to shoot someone who is not an imminent threat would make it substantially easier to literally get away with murder.
Might not be best to let that happen based on a corner case such as Mr. Greer's.


CRUE CAB said:
He did what anyone would have done that thought they were fighting for their life and had just had enough.
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Except that he was not actually fighting for his life at that point. To hear Mr. Greer tell it, he was involved in a physical altercation, then he got his weapon, then he shot at the crooks, they left his house, then he killed Miller.
So, according to Greer, when Greer was pulling the trigger, he was several steps removed form fighting for his life.
While "anyone" may have shot Miller while fighting to protect their own life, it's not exactly what happened here.

CRUE CAB said:
But the old man committed no crime.
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If the homicide is not legally justifiable, then the homicide is a crime.
I have provided the relevant CA penal code.

Can you quote the language in the penal code that you feel legally justifies Greer killing Miller?
 
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molten_dragon said:
No you shouldn't. Self defense laws exist for the purpose of self defense, not revenge. If there is no imminent threat to you, deadly force is not justified.
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I disagree. It is not revenge it is about other factors including getting your property back and making sure he never attacks you again. Besides, for all you know the guy who just attacked you in your house and appears to be running away might very well turn the corner and run into your kids room. Shoot the ****er. HE made that decision the moment he attacked/robbed you in the first place.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Perhaps that has been found to be too large of a loophole.
We should carefully consider the full impact of changing legal theories which have been around for centuries.
Not all of our traditions got to be the way they are by arbitrary accident--legal traditions in particular have had a great deal of thought and discussion put into them.

Making it okay to shoot someone who is not an imminent threat would make it substantially easier to literally get away with murder.
Might not be best to let that happen based on a corner case such as Mr. Greer's.


Except that he was not actually fighting for his life at that point. To hear Mr. Greer tell it, he was involved in a physical altercation, then he got his weapon, then he shot at the crooks, they left his house, then he killed Miller.
So, according to Greer, when Greer was pulling the trigger, he was several steps removed form fighting for his life.
While "anyone" may have shot Miller while fighting to protect their own life, it's not exactly what happened here.


If the homicide is not legally justifiable, then the homicide is a crime.
I have provided the relevant CA penal code.

Can you quote the language in the penal code that you feel legally justifies Greer killing Miller?
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Fleeing felon rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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