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80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched [W:700]

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TheNextEra said:
What risk is there when someone is pleading for their life? It was a straight up execution.
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Turn the situation around.... you in similar circumstances.

Two people have proceeded to the drum solo akin to the opening of " 2001 ", a slight break allows you to grab a ball bat and start swinging ... would you hear the statement? would you heed the "statement" or might it be a distraction to allow them to again gain t he upper hand ?

Do you know what you would do when thinking you are defending your life?

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Tom Paine
 
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CRUE CAB said:
How does making the woman responsible for her unborn child make me pro-choice? And how does pro life or pro choice even fit in here?
She was pregnant and knew it, she committed crimes while pregnant. Sounds like she make all the choices.
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Was THE CHILD innocent or not????
 
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Middleground said:
So, in essence, a woman should be 100% responsible for whatever happens to the child inside her womb and that 'the child' has no say. I'm guessing you're pro-choice.
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1. YES as a parent, she, above all others, bears complete responsibility for that child's health and safety..

2. Of course you're guessing..... different topic and thread.

Thom Paine
 
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JayDubya said:
Of course not. The kid doesn't deserve to die. The guy didn't deserve to be robbed.

Frankly, when you break into people's homes AND try to steal their belongings AND physically attack them, you can expect to be shot. You arguably deserve to be shot.

She was clearly not very concerned with the well-being of her kid when she chose to commit this heinous act of aggression, an act that will often provoke a violent self-defense response from the victim. It is possible that full responsibility for the death of the kid is on the his or her parents.

Possible, as I want to see all the facts in this case before saying anything definitive.
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Maybe she was a complete bad-assed dick head or maybe she was really hungry? It's humane nature to something do crappy things in order to survive. We don't know why she and her boyfriend did what they did. Sure, it was wrong. But circumstances should be weighed.
 
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Middleground said:
Maybe she was a complete bad-assed dick head or maybe she was really hungry? It's humane nature to something do crappy things in order to survive. We don't know why she and her boyfriend did what they did. Sure, it was wrong. But circumstances should be weighed.
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I'm sorry, but I'm not going to presume this lady was Jean Valjean. The benefit of the doubt was lost when they broke in, went for a safe, and attacked the owner.
 
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Middleground said:
Which makes this act -- including killing an innocent child -- revolting.
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NOW its about killing an innocent unborn child???

I suspect his post act words are more out of adrenaline and bravado then an accurate description of his actual actions. I dont know of too many people here that would come home, walk in on a robbery, get jumped and then beat down, and have the time, presence, and wherewithal to say "hmmmm...I think I will calmly retrieve my weapon and kill someone". Cops dont operate at that ops tempo. Seldom do soldiers operate at that ops tempo. I can give him the benefit of the doubt...sure. He is robogeriatric and everything goes into slow motion for him and he really did everything exactly how he said it and why. IF that is the case, then Im not sure what California law is but in my mind he should be tried.

Not for nothing...but the home robbers...turns out they had a long history of this behavior including violent attacks.
 
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Thom Paine said:
1. YES as a parent, she, above all others, bears complete responsibility for that child's health and safety..
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She made a poor choice, but did she actually think she was going to be shot in cold blood? Perhaps she was doing was out of desperation.

2. Of course you're guessing..... different topic and thread.
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Not really. The argument for pro-lifers is that the child has no say in the matter. The same argument can be easily made here.
 
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Middleground said:
.............................. Sure, it was wrong. But circumstances should be weighed.
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Correct. it does not seem to be the case in much of this thread though.... ?????? does it ??

Thom Paine
 
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Frankly, it would be hypocritical for any California DA to pretend his lousy state gives a **** about the dead baby.

And this is California, I'm sure he'll be arrested and I don't doubt a California jury would convict. As of right now, that sounds like the wrong outcome, even if it is the likely outcome IMO.
 
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Middleground said:
She made a poor choice, but did she actually think she was going to be shot in cold blood? Perhaps she was doing was out of desperation.
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Maybe she was desperate, but there are people out there that would have helped her if she just asked.

Not really. The argument for pro-lifers is that the child has no say in the matter. The same argument can be easily made here.
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The mother is responsible for the well being of her unborn child. If she endangers her life she in turn endangers it's life. Are people just not supposed defend themselves against pregnant women?
 
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reinoe said:
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I'm glad he killed her too. Those two criminals didn't hesitate to attack an old man and then they were so arrogant as to continue robbing him after they attacked him. I only wish he killed the man too.
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I do not believe in god, heaven or hell. But for this guys sake I hope hell exists and he get a particularly bad spot in there for his disgusting actions. Shooting a fleeing pregnant woman and being proud of it, disgusting.
 
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MaggieD said:
The responses on this thread are the reason people think way too many gun owners are NUTZ. Anyone not finding this reprehensible is a jackass. If the facts are as presented, that she was running away and was shot in the back, this complete asshole belongs in the slammer. Shame on anyone who believes otherwise.
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Maggs the man did the world a favor despite being a douchbag. Fact is he has a duty to society to engage and neutralize a clear and present danger which both perpetrators are, if he is capable. Sorry but just because they are running away or begging for their lives makes them no less dangerous to him or to society at large, they have demonstrated a willingness to utilize violence. The man made the correct tactical decision because the woman saying she was pregnant could have been a ruse to overpower him if he came with in her reach. Him being 80 his reflexes and strength and speed aint going to be as good as when he was 40. The woman is now no longer out terrorizing others, and her compatriot is probably too frightened at the moment to continue terrorizing homeowners. This old man did society a favor. The harsh reality is these vermin needed to be made examples of. Quite frankly this needs to happen more often. Perps need to know breaking into a house is a dangerous if not lethal affair. There are too many wolves in the world and the sheep need to grow their horns back and break some wolf bone. The wolves need some fear in their lives.
 
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rocket88 said:
Oh good, the race card. Awesome...:roll:
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Just following Barack "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon" Obama's lead.

And as a side note, I would have convicted Zimmerman of negligent homicide if Florida law allowed it.
 
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Thom Paine said:
Turn the situation around.... you in similar circumstances.

Two people have proceeded to the drum solo akin to the opening of " 2001 ", a slight break allows you to grab a ball bat and start swinging ... would you hear the statement? would you heed the "statement" or might it be a distraction to allow them to again gain t he upper hand ?

Do you know what you would do when thinking you are defending your life?

???

Tom Paine
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Sorry, but right here from HIS own comments:

He added, “She says, ‘Don’t shoot me, I’m pregnant! I’m going to have a baby!’ And I shot her anyway.”
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Nothing is going to get me to see his side from HIS own comments passed that point.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
We were not there, so we really don't know what if any pleading was going on.
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From his own comments:

He added, “She says, ‘Don’t shoot me, I’m pregnant! I’m going to have a baby!’ And I shot her anyway.”
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You want to defend this guy, that's fine. I'm not buying it and hopefully neither is a jury.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Sorry, but right here from HIS own comments:



Nothing is going to get me to see his side from HIS own comments passed that point.
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Nothing will make me feel sorry for her past the point she decided to be a criminal while pregnant and prey on an old man. Seems she picked the wrong old man.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Nothing will make me feel sorry for her past the point she decided to be a criminal while pregnant and prey on an old man. Seems she picked the wrong old man.
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Good for you, luckily, we have laws in this country that do not give someone the right to summarly play judge, jury and executioner. Whether you like it or not, I'd bet this guy sees jail time for his actions and rightfully so.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Good for you, luckily, we have laws in this country that do not give someone the right to summarly play judge, jury and executioner. Whether you like it or not, I'd bet this guy sees jail time for his actions and rightfully so.
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At 80? Na, never happen.
 
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reinoe said:
80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robbery (Video) | Americans Against the Tea Party

I'm glad he killed her too. Those two criminals didn't hesitate to attack an old man and then they were so arrogant as to continue robbing him after they attacked him. I only wish he killed the man too.
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Well, I'm not going to cheer over anyone's death, but I will say that anyone who does a crime should be prepared to pay a price for what they did.
 
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I just watched the interview the guy did for the local NBC station - Homeowner Guns Down Intruder Who Said She Was Pregnant | NBC Southern California

This guy isn't an asshole like some have been making him out to be but he made a really bad decision and I'd say he's reasonably looking at second degree homicide.

I'd have given him a pass if he shot while they were still inside the house. I think it's reckless as all hell but I'd understand him shooting as they took off down the alley. I can't, however, give him a pass for shooting the chick as she was in the process of surrendering.

The use of deadly force isn't something to be taken lightly. It's a permanent solution to whatever problem you're facing so you'd better be damned sure that it's necessary before you go down that road. Now, I can understand the guy being scared. I would be too if I was 80 and a couple of kids just jumped me in my own house. I'd be pissed if it was the third time my house had been broken into. I can TOTALLY understand pulling a gun and even shooting as an act of self defense. But is it really self defense if the perps are running away? If the guy said "She was coming at me so I shot" I'd give him a pass. That's not, according to him, what happened.

Based on the guys testimony there was no imminent threat. The suspects were heading the other direction and there is no indication that they had the means or intent to head back his way. Unless something else come out about this I see it as a bad shoot.
 
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When the **** did my country get filled with ****ing monsters?
 
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CRUE CAB said:
At 80? Na, never happen.
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Sure it is, just because you are 80 doesn't mean you won't get put away for murder.
 
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She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant — I'm going to have a baby,' and I shot her anyway," Greer told KNBC-TV outside his house.

Long Beach police Chief Jim McDonnell said at a news conference Thursday that the woman, 28-year-old Andrea Miller, did not appear to be pregnant, but a planned autopsy would determine whether she was.

However, the surviving suspect, Gus Adams, 26, has been arrested on suspicion of residential burglary and murder, McDonnell said. The murder charge is possible because he is accused of being involved in a felony that led to a death, the chief said. He was being held on bail just over $1 million, and police did not know if he had hired an attorney.

Both Miller and Adams, who had histories of similar crimes, were unarmed, McDonnell said.

Greer had been burglarized three times before and believed the same suspects were responsible.

He returned home shortly after 9 p.m. Tuesday to find the pair in his home. Both suspects attacked him, hitting him with their fists and ultimately "body slamming" him to the floor, breaking his collar bone, McDonnell said.

Miller continued to hit him, McDonnell said, while Adams moved to a safe and begin trying to pry it open.

The homeowner was able to get to another room where he grabbed a gun and returned to open fire on the suspects. They fled through the garage and into an alley, and Greer gave chase, firing at them again outside, McDonnell said.

Miller was hit, collapsed in the alley and died at the scene, McDonnell said.

"The lady didn't run as fast as the man, so I shot her in the back twice," Greer told the TV station. "She's dead ... but he got away."

McDonnell would not say whether Miller was shot in the back as Greer said. He also declined to say how many shots were fired and whether either of the suspects was hit inside the house before fleeing.

No phone listing was available for Greer and he could not be reached for comment by The Associated Press.

It will be up to the district attorney to decide whether to charge Greer with a crime,
 
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Reading that, its going to be hard to get a conviction on an old man who was just beaten by the two scumbags.
Sorry the baby died, but life is tough and tough when you are stupid.
 
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