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80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched [W:700]

Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Oh...you know...those criminal scumbags have been around forever.

Oh...wait...you meant the old guy.
Nope. The people in this thread.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant — I'm going to have a baby,' and I shot her anyway," Greer told KNBC-TV outside his house.

Long Beach police Chief Jim McDonnell said at a news conference Thursday that the woman, 28-year-old Andrea Miller, did not appear to be pregnant, but a planned autopsy would determine whether she was.

However, the surviving suspect, Gus Adams, 26, has been arrested on suspicion of residential burglary and murder, McDonnell said. The murder charge is possible because he is accused of being involved in a felony that led to a death, the chief said. He was being held on bail just over $1 million, and police did not know if he had hired an attorney.

Both Miller and Adams, who had histories of similar crimes, were unarmed, McDonnell said.

Greer had been burglarized three times before and believed the same suspects were responsible.

He returned home shortly after 9 p.m. Tuesday to find the pair in his home. Both suspects attacked him, hitting him with their fists and ultimately "body slamming" him to the floor, breaking his collar bone, McDonnell said.

Miller continued to hit him, McDonnell said, while Adams moved to a safe and begin trying to pry it open.

The homeowner was able to get to another room where he grabbed a gun and returned to open fire on the suspects. They fled through the garage and into an alley, and Greer gave chase, firing at them again outside, McDonnell said.

Miller was hit, collapsed in the alley and died at the scene, McDonnell said.

"The lady didn't run as fast as the man, so I shot her in the back twice," Greer told the TV station. "She's dead ... but he got away."

McDonnell would not say whether Miller was shot in the back as Greer said. He also declined to say how many shots were fired and whether either of the suspects was hit inside the house before fleeing.

No phone listing was available for Greer and he could not be reached for comment by The Associated Press.

It will be up to the district attorney to decide whether to charge Greer with a crime,

The victim said this is the third time they have tried to rob him.

They suspects both climbed through his window, which are not big in a small apartment like that, and were wrestling with a safe when he walked in.

Does any of that give you an indication that the woman was actually pregnant?

This was the third time they have been there to rob him, but he made sure there would not be a fourth.

He did what he had to do.

I think the imminent threat in this case could be extended being that he could be sure they would try it again and they came close this time to killing him.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

That's a ridiculous question.

It's not "your country" and it's damned sure not filled with monsters.

The guy in question made a bad decision under intense pressure. He's not a monster. He's human. The same goes for people in this thread that have supported the shooting. They aren't bad people either. They simply understand how an elderly person could reasonably fear for their life after being attacked in their home.

Those who have made comments to the effect that this never would have happened if the kids didn't break into the house are 100% correct. Those kids initiated the situation by committing a series of felonies and I wouldn't be the least bit opposed to charging the one who got away with murder too.

What you've got here is a couple of bad people who made the choice to be violent criminals and one of them paid the price for that decision. My heart sure as hell isn't bleeding for the chick that got shot.

I would hope Deuce was asking how two pieces of **** could attack an 80 year old man in his home.
 
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I would hope Deuce was asking how two pieces of **** could attack an 80 year old man in his home.

Maybe some other Deuce. Definitely not this one.
 
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Yes. They could both be held responsible. Given what the guy said in the article I hope he's charged as well. Either that or committed. You don't kill someone to send a message to their accomplice.

If that is what is needed to make sure they don't come back for a 4th time, then you do it.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I don't see it from his side either; I was not there. I have voiced ... it may well be a bad shoot.

TNE... you forgot to answer my question: ???

Thom Paine

Again, it was from HIS words, he executed her to "send a message".
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Again, it was from HIS words, he executed her to "send a message".

No answer to my question?

Okay

Adieu
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

The pregnant bitch got everything it deserved.

Thank you Mr. Limbaugh. Your racist attitude is showing like the ass on a baboon.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Thank you Mr. Limbaugh. Your racist attitude is showing like the ass on a baboon.

I resent that, sir. I taught Mr. Limbaugh everything he knows. OH, and by the way, shooting a fricking robbing bitch in your own home is racist? Since when? And if anyone would recognize a baboon's ass I'm sure you have seen it everytime you look into a mirror.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

If that is what is needed to make sure they don't come back for a 4th time, then you do it.

You really can't go around whacking people who aren't about to kill you. In much of the country it's illegal to kill someone who isn't an active threat. May not be the case in CA, though I doubt it given that it is California. Really doesn't matter that they did it three times before and might do it again. And if you do you don't go around saying dumb sh*t stuff to newspapers.
 
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I think the imminent threat in this case could be extended being that he could be sure they would try it again and they came close this time to killing him.
Yes, "imminent" definitely means at some vague point in the indefinite future.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Not spitting lead but at least break their hands so they can't steal again.
Excellent!

Why is it that we're each not all already authorized to carry out our own brands of frontier/sharia justice as you suggest?
Is it because we have become a nation of ******s who're too timid to embrace sharia/frontier justice?

If we had all 300 million of us dishing out justice like this, crime would be gone in a couple of weeks, yes?


...or not...
...w/e
:shrug:
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Excellent!

Why is it that we're each not all already authorized to carry out our own brands of frontier/sharia justice as you suggest?
Is it because we have become a nation of ******s who're too timid to embrace sharia/frontier justice?

If we had all 300 million of us dishing out justice like this, crime would be gone in a couple of weeks, yes?


...or not...
...w/e
:shrug:

Where the hell did you get sharia in that? DO you have Muslims on the brain?
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

No answer to my question?

Okay

Adieu

I've answered your question, through his OWN words, he admitted it he shot her execution style in the back.

He wasn't protecting his property nor his life, he shot her to "send a message". Now if you a cop captures a criminal are you saying they have the right to execute them, I mean you have NEVER been put in their situation, so should we excuse that. How moronic your comments really are.
 
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From what I gather, one of the conservative points of view being rendered here is "abort a fetus because you cannot afford it and don't have the ability to provide for it" = bad, "abort a fetus because someone tried to take your **** away from you but ceased to be a threat" = good.

DO I have something incorrect in that?
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Here's a question for some people: What if the gunman missed and hit an innocent bystander, would that have been the dead woman's fault too?
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

To anyone who cares, it turns out she wasn't pregnant.

Suspected burglar shot dead by homeowner was not pregnant, coroner says - LA Times

That said, if the man was hale enough to chase her down an alley and shoot her in the back, then the "beating" he took wasn't all that bad, and he should be charged with some level of murder.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

To anyone who cares, it turns out she wasn't pregnant.

Suspected burglar shot dead by homeowner was not pregnant, coroner says - LA Times

That said, if the man was hale enough to chase her down an alley and shoot her in the back, then the "beating" he took wasn't all that bad, and he should be charged with some level of murder.

I get the feeling that the people who are defending him are applauding him because what he did was essentially an act of revenge. Revenge against your tormentors feels good and that's a normal human human, doubly so if like most people you were one the wrong end of an ass kicking at one point or another in your life. I get that. The problem of course is that revenge killings aren't legal.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I get the feeling that the people who are defending him are applauding him because what he did was essentially an act of revenge. Revenge against your tormentors feels good and that's a normal human human, doubly so if like most people you were one the wrong end of an ass kicking at one point or another in your life. I get that. The problem of course is that revenge killings aren't legal.

it doesn't seem wrong in this case though the world would not be any better off if he shot her at any other point kind of hard to see how its worse off with 1 less person who would attack and rob the elderly
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I've answered your question, through his OWN words, he admitted it he shot her execution style in the back.

He wasn't protecting his property nor his life, he shot her to "send a message". Now if you a cop captures a criminal are you saying they have the right to execute them, I mean you have NEVER been put in their situation, so should we excuse that. How moronic your comments really are.

My question sir, the one to which you have yet to respond, was/is :

Two people have proceeded to perform a drum solo akin to the opening of " 2001 " upon your being, a slight break allows you to grab a ball bat and start swinging ... would you hear the statement? would you heed/believe the "statement" or might it be a distraction to allow them to again gain the upper hand ?

Do you know what you would do when thinking you are defending your life?


If the question is not too moronic, I'll appreciate your direct response; If it cannot be candidly answered.. so be it.

Thom Paine
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

I get the feeling that the people who are defending him are applauding him because what he did was essentially an act of revenge. Revenge against your tormentors feels good and that's a normal human human, doubly so if like most people you were one the wrong end of an ass kicking at one point or another in your life. I get that. The problem of course is that revenge killings aren't legal.

It might be easy to get that feeling. There are a few "Doc Holiday" type posts in the thread but for the most part the man's actions have not been defended but recognized as a possible bad shoot for the police to properly investigate and a jury, if empaneled, to decide any outcome.


The challenge in this thread as in many others is the devolution into the mucky abyss of those who believe in self defense and those who do not. Therein lies the rub; with bravado and bizarrely extrapolated examples of improprieties oozing from both sides of the equation ( see comments on leaf blower theft and abortion comparisons ).

Life in the Forums :roll:

Have a great day G

Thom Paine
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

My question sir, the one to which you have yet to respond, was/is :

Two people have proceeded to perform a drum solo akin to the opening of " 2001 " upon your being, a slight break allows you to grab a ball bat and start swinging ... would you hear the statement? would you heed/believe the "statement" or might it be a distraction to allow them to again gain the upper hand ?

Do you know what you would do when thinking you are defending your life?


If the question is not too moronic, I'll appreciate your direct response; If it cannot be candidly answered.. so be it.

Thom Paine

Well...that would be a different kettle of fish. In a fight for my life, her yelling, "I'm pregnant" wouldn't even slow me down. (I hope.) That's not we have here, though.

When you think about it, this is a very interesting 80-year-old guy. He apparently got beat up pretty bad...broke his collar bone as I understand it. Seems he started shooting at them while in the house, and they got the hell out of Dodge. Me? I'd be so grateful to see them running away, I think the adrenalin rush would leave, and I'd be a puddle of relief. This guy goes after them, shooting as they flee.

I've softened in my stance somewhat though. Can we really expect that an 80-year-old man would be thinking clearly after taking a beating, figuring he's probably going to be killed before they leave? Is it fair to impose the "arm-chair self-control" I've applied to this guy? I'm no longer sure it is. There's probably no more vulnerable an adult than an 80-year-old unless it's an 83-year-old. Typically, they're frail; no upper body strength; poor balance; extremely poor reflexes; yada yada yada.

Do we judge him as we'd judge ourselves? As we might judge a TurtleDude? Or a law enforcement officer? Or do we judge him taking into account the extremely vulnerable position these robbers put him in?

Hmmmm....maybe I was wrong.
 
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There is every reason to believe that the woman was lying when she yelled to the man she was robbing, that she was pregnant. While she unfortunately was pregnant, that is not the issue here, which is under California law, did the man have a right to shoot at anyone while they were fleeing.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

To anyone who cares, it turns out she wasn't pregnant.

Suspected burglar shot dead by homeowner was not pregnant, coroner says - LA Times

That said, if the man was hale enough to chase her down an alley and shoot her in the back, then the "beating" he took wasn't all that bad, and he should be charged with some level of murder.


His hourglass has about ran out of sand and highly doubtful this woman was about to turn her life around and finish that two year community college degree.

If he didn't have the gun I think his beating would have been worst. Sorry just can't muster up any empathy for the thieves.
 
Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

Well...that would be a different kettle of fish. In a fight for my life, her yelling, "I'm pregnant" wouldn't even slow me down. (I hope.) That's not we have here, though.
When you think about it, this is a very interesting 80-year-old guy. He apparently got beat up pretty bad...broke his collar bone as I understand it. Seems he started shooting at them while in the house, and they got the hell out of Dodge. Me? I'd be so grateful to see them running away, I think the adrenalin rush would leave, and I'd be a puddle of relief. This guy goes after them, shooting as they flee.
I've softened in my stance somewhat though. Can we really expect that an 80-year-old man would be thinking clearly after taking a beating, figuring he's probably going to be killed before they leave? Is it fair to impose the "arm-chair self-control" I've applied to this guy? I'm no longer sure it is. There's probably no more vulnerable an adult than an 80-year-old unless it's an 83-year-old. Typically, they're frail; no upper body strength; poor balance; extremely poor reflexes; yada yada yada.
Do we judge him as we'd judge ourselves? As we might judge a TurtleDude? Or a law enforcement officer? Or do we judge him taking into account the extremely vulnerable position these robbers put him in?

Hmmmm....maybe I was wrong.

Ahhh, we agree save for the part about being wrong... maybe you are not wrong; an investigation and maybe a jury will decide. We were not there.

This type of thread most often skews from the direct situation to a very emotional and assumptive diatribe of a different nature.

In these situations the press in all it's forms are not reliable. Let the facts come out

Most agree this is a tragic situation.

Let the police and jury ascertain their views and make decisions instead of making a mob rule indictment.

Have a wonderful day Ste Maggie

Thom Paine
 
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