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Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

The question of whether FTL is plausible pretty much sorts out the rest. Nothing in the universe has ever been known to exceed the speed of light, so asserting that finding alien life is 100000X more likely than many things is pretty absurd for several reasons, not the least of which is the implausibility of travel many times faster than the speed of light and the ability to generate the infinite energy required to do it.

According to the theory of special relativity you need infinite energy, however there are instances of FTL particles like Tachyons. Even if you don't travel at light speed you can still traverse within your own galaxy, we're a tiny tiny tiny spec in our galaxy, it would certainly be justified to assume that within our galaxy is alien life. Intelligent alien life? Maybe not, but alien life in general? Sure.

This thread talks only about aliens, plants can be aliens, insects, etc. If we get in to the realm of intelligent alien life then the chances probably go down drastically, but are still high in something so huge as our galaxy.

As for the 100000X quote fine, on a technicality you ish got me there! I'll change it to: Likely
 
According to the theory of special relativity you need infinite energy, however there are instances of FTL particles like Tachyons. Even if you don't travel at light speed you can still traverse within your own galaxy, we're a tiny tiny tiny spec in our galaxy, it would certainly be justified to assume that within our galaxy is alien life. Intelligent alien life? Maybe not, but alien life in general? Sure.

This thread talks only about aliens, plants can be aliens, insects, etc. If we get in to the realm of intelligent alien life then the chances probably go down drastically, but are still high in something so huge as our galaxy.

As for the 100000X quote fine, on a technicality you ish got me there! I'll change it to: Likely

Change it to "likely" and drop the part about "more than many things" and your statement begins to make sense. I think it's likely that somewhere in the universe there are other forms of life, but it is entirely possible that we are unique in all the universe; one of countless and infinite bizarre phenomenon in an incomprehensibly vast array of possibilities.
 
Change it to "likely" and drop the part about "more than many things" and your statement begins to make sense. I think it's likely that somewhere in the universe there are other forms of life, but it is entirely possible that we are unique in all the universe; one of countless and infinite bizarre phenomenon in an incomprehensibly vast array of possibilities.

Not dropping "many more things", are Galaxy is huge, for comparison look at this picture.

we-are-here.jpg

Anything Alien be it intelligent or not is highly likely.

Milky Way - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

100-400 billion stars, and at least as many planets.

In our solar system that doesn't even reach 20 planets we have intelligent life.
 
Not dropping "many more things", are Galaxy is huge, for comparison look at this picture.

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Anything Alien be it intelligent or not is highly likely.

Milky Way - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

100-400 billion stars, and at least as many planets.

In our solar system that doesn't even reach 20 planets we have intelligent life.

Here's what I was referring to: "Difference, aliens are 100000X more likely than most things"

That sentence makes no sense. The number is one you made up on the spot and "more likely than most things" makes no sense. What does "most things" mean? Does that mean tables and chairs and trees and stones and cars? Would they be some of "most things"? If so, those things are 100% likely to exist.

See what I mean? Just say that because of the immense vastness of the universe (or even just the galaxy, if you wish), it is likely that extraterrestrial life in one form or another exists. It would probably be the best reflection of what you really mean and it wouldn't sound ridiculous due to unnecessary ambiguities or arbitrary assignments.

just sayin'.

p.s. I still think it's silly to look for alien life, though. If it's so incredibly smart and technologically advanced that it can travel across the galaxy to us, if it wants us to know it exists, it would be certain that we did know and if it didn't want us to know it exists, we wouldn't be smart enough to detect it.
 
Here's what I was referring to: "Difference, aliens are 100000X more likely than most things"

That sentence makes no sense. The number is one you made up on the spot and "more likely than most things" makes no sense. What does "most things" mean? Does that mean tables and chairs and trees and stones and cars? Would they be some of "most things"? If so, those things are 100% likely to exist.

See what I mean? Just say that because of the immense vastness of the universe (or even just the galaxy, if you wish), it is likely that extraterrestrial life in one form or another exists. It would probably be the best reflection of what you really mean and it wouldn't sound ridiculous due to unnecessary ambiguities or arbitrary assignments.

just sayin'.

Sooooo literallll, I understand there is no tone on the internet but you really thought I meant the 100000X comment EXACTLY like it sounded?

Whatever, your entire argument was essentially based on a technicality, now you have absolutely nothing.
 
Sooooo literallll, I understand there is no tone on the internet but you really thought I meant the 100000X comment EXACTLY like it sounded?

Whatever, your entire argument was essentially based on a technicality, now you have absolutely nothing.

Well, nevermind. You keep looking for life from outer space if you want. I just wish we'd stop funding such insanity with tax dollars.
 
What this thread was all about in the first place.

Expecting to find aliens? How is that insanity? Not to mention I doubt that's the most or anywhere near the most of their spending, NASA is probably more worried about looking for ways to colonize MARS which would probably boost humanity so far ahead it would be considered the greatest thing humanity had ever done.
 
Expecting to find aliens? How is that insanity? Not to mention I doubt that's the most or anywhere near the most of their spending, NASA is probably more worried about looking for ways to colonize MARS which would probably boost humanity so far ahead it would be considered the greatest thing humanity had ever done.

It's as insane to be looking for extraterrestrial life as it is to argue we shouldn't be looking for them because God's going to send them to hell, anyway. Just my opinion. You're entitled to a completely different opinion if you wish. :D
 
It's as insane to be looking for extraterrestrial life as it is to argue we shouldn't be looking for them because God's going to send them to hell, anyway. Just my opinion. You're entitled to a completely different opinion if you wish. :D

Why is it insane to look for extraterrestrial life?
 

Then by all means let's send Mr. Ham, and any of his willing followers, into space so he can begin converting them. Isn't that god's directive for these nutters, to convert and force their religion onto others? Please Mr. Ham, go forth and conquer, don't return til every alien has heard the word.
 
Then by all means let's send Mr. Ham, and any of his willing followers, into space so he can begin converting them. Isn't that god's directive for these nutters, to convert and force their religion onto others? Please Mr. Ham, go forth and conquer, don't return til every alien has heard the word.
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You're attributing human values to aliens you haven't even met. When they come you're going to become an appeaser and hated by your species.



Nonsense. Be real.

All evidence demonstrates a more advanced civilization will be more decent than us. Just as we are more decent than those before us.
 
You're attributing human values to aliens you haven't even met. When they come you're going to become an appeaser and hated by your species.

No prob, we'll kill my detractors first. All hail Emperor Ecofarm!
 
We may never be able to visit extra terrestrial worlds, and they may never be able to visit us.

But, if we could confirm that life does exist outside of this little blue dust mote we call home, it would satisfy human curiosity about extraterrestrial life.

So, is satisfying human curiosity worthwhile?
 
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