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Net job growth since 2000 went to immigrants

Big surprise, a conservative anti-immigrant think tank checks the data and comes to an anti-immigration conclusion.

EDIT: Even more absurdly, this is about "immigrants vs. natives" and not about illegal immigrants. Good job Erod.
 
So all immigrants are illegals now? Is that how far down the conservative movement has gotten in the US?

Only the ones crossing the border without proper paper work, or those staying without a valid visa. 50,000 just crossed the Mexico border in the last few weeks.
 
Capitalism dude. They work harder than you.

Also, Obama's fault!

Rough stats presented at an farmers association (to bring H2A seasonal farm workers to US) meeting last month on the 2013 season. Keep in mind when foreign ag workers are brought to this country to fill jobs the farmer/rancher must offer the jobs to qualified americans through 1/2 the contract period even if they are currently being done by those with H2A visas. The association got approx 350 applicants of those approx 50 were qualified and were given contacts for job interviews, of those 50 only 13 actually bothered to contact the employer all of who were hired. Of those 13 only one lasted the entire season, the rest quit. The current going rate is $10.69/hr plus transportation costs to and from the job site (from where ever they currently live) and are provided housing at no additional cost. Not great but not terrible either for manual labor. They are expected to work 8-10 hrs/day 6 days a week during the contract period (max 10 months). Very few Americans are willing to take these jobs and even fewer once they find out how much work is involved.
 
Who do you guess employs more illegal immigrants, Democrats or Republicans?
Hard to say.

Would you agree there are unethical people in both categories?
 
Capitalism dude. They work harder than you.

Also, Obama's fault!
I do like the work ethics they have. However, it is because they don't get the same social benefits south of the border we give. They appreciate the exchange of labor for pay. Perhaps people should realize we are too generous as a nation, when we have people not willing to work, so that a workforce ends up needing to be imported.
 
Hard to say.

Would you agree there are unethical people in both categories?

Of course, but I'm willing to bet that most employers of low-price illegal immigrants are conservative.
If the US is serious about stopping illegal immigration, wouldn't you think the easiest way would be to simply stop employing them? How hard could that be? Who's the villain in the scenario, the wetback or the guy who employs wetbacks? Toss a few hotel operators and golf course owners into Joe Arpaio's tent city and see how quick that works.
 
Big surprise radical extreme leftist can't accept the facts.

Big surprise, a conservative anti-immigrant think tank checks the data and comes to an anti-immigration conclusion.

EDIT: Even more absurdly, this is about "immigrants vs. natives" and not about illegal immigrants. Good job Erod.
 
Of course, but I'm willing to bet that most employers of low-price illegal immigrants are conservative.
I'll bet that is coming from the point of view that capitalists are conservatives only, and that conservatives are republican.

I wonder if you understand the argument, switching from republican/democrat to liberal/conservative.

They are not synonymous you know.

If the US is serious about stopping illegal immigration, wouldn't you think the easiest way would be to simply stop employing them?
Yes it would, but the liberals continue to stop any regulations to do so.

How hard could that be? Who's the villain in the scenario, the wetback or the guy who employs wetbacks?
I'm sure there are those who do not appreciate your racist bantering by using the term "wetback." What other racial slurs do you use? Does that somehow many you feel superior to some of my friends?

The illegal immigrant is generally guilty of little more than wanting to provide for his family. The employer however in my opinion should loose hos business license if a private contractor. Corporations should be highly fined or broken. Those responsible for choosing illegal employees over those with the legal right to work are dispicable, regardless of political leaning.

Toss a few hotel operators and golf course owners into Joe Arpaio's tent city and see how quick that works.
I completely agree with jailing those who knowingly employ illegals, or who do so by turning a blind eye.

Note:

Your bigotry is not appropriate.
 
So all immigrants are illegals now? Is that how far down the conservative movement has gotten in the US?
The majority are.

Isn't it estimated that we have about 10 times the number of illegals entering this country each year vs. legal permanent?
 
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I'll bet that is coming from the point of view that capitalists are conservatives only, and that conservatives are republican.

I said 'most', as in more than half. That's not the same as 'only', is it.

I wonder if you understand the argument, switching from republican/democrat to liberal/conservative.

They are not synonymous you know.

Yes, I know. How about 'conservative Republicans', does that work?


Yes it would, but the liberals continue to stop any regulations to do so.

Which liberals? Which regulations?


I'm sure there are those who do not appreciate your racist bantering by using the term "wetback." What other racial slurs do you use? Does that somehow many you feel superior to some of my friends?

Ohferchristsake.

The illegal immigrant is generally guilty of little more than wanting to provide for his family. The employer however in my opinion should loose hos business license if a private contractor. Corporations should be highly fined or broken. Those responsible for choosing illegal employees over those with the legal right to work are dispicable, regardless of political leaning.


I completely agree with jailing those who knowingly employ illegals, or who do so by turning a blind eye.

I don't think either one of us should hold his breath until it happens, though.

Note:

Your bigotry is not appropriate.

Calm down. It was a literary device meant to juxtapose the poverty and marginal status of the illegal immigrant and the cynicism of the businessmen who use them.
 
Calm down. It was a literary device meant to juxtapose the poverty and marginal status of the illegal immigrant and the cynicism of the businessmen who use them.
I will correct your ignorance.

It is a racial slur, every bit as derogatory as the "n-word."
 
I will correct your ignorance.

Good luck with that. Pro's have tried and failed.

It is a racial slur, every bit as derogatory as the "n-word."

The 'n-word'? Seriously? Well, I'll be d-worded. Have we gotten so f-wording careful that we're scared of even referring to words by their names?
Ah, s-word.
 
Which liberals? Which regulations?
I forget the specifics. That discussion I participated in was years back. The existing laws are not Adequate. They are only good enough to keep employers for being sues that do check legal working eligibility. Anyone who wishes to sidestep them can. Only the stupid ones who leave themselves open to "knowingly providing a job" to illegals as provable in court, can be prosecuted.
 
Good luck with that. Pro's have tried and failed.



The 'n-word'? Seriously? Well, I'll be d-worded. Have we gotten so f-wording careful that we're scared of even referring to words by their names?
Ah, s-word.
Goodbye.

I'm done with you. I have no respect for the bigotry you practice. Reminds me of the filthy white supremacists.
 
Study: All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants | National Review Online

So we're doing a good job creating jobs for illegals, but not the Americans that were here in the first place.

Actually your link says this includes legal immigrants as well, and it includes higher skilled jobs that check for things like that anyway; probably not many illegals in those jobs.

So, what it appears to be is that they are simply more willing to take what they can find when they need it.

This reflects my general impression of natives who are over roughly 35. Many are not willing to take a downgrade. I know a guy who's been unemployed for 3 years and doing odds and ends because he thinks he's too good for a lower paid job. He's blown through his savings, and now he's lost his house.

Younger people seem less susceptible to such vanity; I know I'm certainly not. But I've still managed to climb, so evidently it can be done.
 
The majority are.

Isn't it estimated that we have about 10 times the number of illegals entering this country each year vs. legal permanent?

Probably because our legal immigration system is completely absurd. The apex of bureaucracy. Lengthy, convoluted, expensive, and for a lot of people who don't fit the right criteria literally impossible without winning a random lottery.
 
Probably because our legal immigration system is completely absurd. The apex of bureaucracy. Lengthy, convoluted, expensive, and for a lot of people who don't fit the right criteria literally impossible without winning a random lottery.

Your post sounds as if you believe illegal immigration in order to steal benefits from hard working Americans is justified.

Usually those who complain about America's immigration system in this manner are those who primarily believe that even more foreigners should be granted American citizenship and such American citizenship should be sprinkled about much more quickly, sort of a demand for a "Come one, come all" immediate acceptance that benefits non-Americans, regardless of the damage to the United States.

Is that your position?
 
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Usually those who complain about America's immigration system in this manner are those who primarily believe that more foreigners should be granted American citizenship and such American citizenship should be sprinkled about much more quickly, sort of a demand for a "Come one, come all" immediate change that benefits non-Americans.

Is that your position?

No, those who complain about America's immigration system are the ones who are familiar with it. A dutch immigrant who is a Vietnam veteran and has worked hard his whole life in America shouldn't take 50 years to become a citizen.

Or should he? Is that your position? Good enough to fight and bleed and risk his life for your freedom but not good enough to vote?

As for my position. Yes. Someone who is willing to come here and work hard for a better life deserves a chance to do it. They deserve the benefits of being an American more than many Americans do. The accident of geography that had me born inside an invisible line does not make me more special than someone born outside of it. Someone who came here, got an education, got a job, kept a clean record, and started a family deserves to stay.
 
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No, those who complain about America's immigration system are the ones who are familiar with it. A dutch immigrant who is a Vietnam veteran and has worked hard his whole life in America shouldn't take 50 years to become a citizen.

Or should he? Is that your position? Good enough to fight and bleed and risk his life for your freedom but not good enough to vote?

Your post is non-responsive nonsense.
 
Your post is non-responsive nonsense.

Is it? How come you didn't acknowledge that Vietnam veteran? Is that how you envision our immigration system?
 
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